The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Chandelier]

So not sure if I just want to pick a fight or what I'm getting at here, other than saying I am beginning to doubt the "pure" intentions of early feminists in seeking legalization of abortions. It started from seeing the following picture on /pol/:

Spoiler: Results of an unplanned two-for-one on their abortion. NSFW/L

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Horrifying right? I can see how we wouldn't want this madness to continue. I can't even imagine the horrific circumstances one was trying to escape. It's easy to see why this became a rallying image. As a bit of a history sperg I wanted to know more and out of laziness I started at Wikipedia, I'll use them as they are "objective" or any bias would be placing Gerri Santoro in a more-positive light. What was this woman trying to escape?

Oh no, rape baby incoming or poverty I bet. Although great work leaving!

I mean, personally, I would have had higher priorities than sex in such circumstances but whatever. I guess it must have been tested and proven to be a tardbaby or something...

Lol nope. She hadn't actually left/divorced her abusive husband. She didn't want to deal with the affair or getting knocked up. So killing a baby was just another effort to kick the can down the road.

Without even getting into the myriad systemic differences between then and now, this is pretty damming. Obviously this isn't something to just mention or ask people about. So case details held out publicly are rare and ostensibly carefully selected. If this is the case they chose to share, what other hare-brained reasoning is being used as emotional lynch-pins behind the scenes?

Lol. Pro lifers learned to use gore photos to sell their image: when Eric Rudolph crossed the line by trying to bomb an Olympic stadium pro lifers decided images of dead fetuses or 'dismembered' ones would suffice. They used the resin dolls to show how humans are 100% complete at fertilization despite human development being a process.

She hadn't had time to initiate a divorce. Plenty of women fled their husbands and 'disappeared' in another state. Regardless, what happened to her shouldn't have happened. Too bad photos weren't taken in the 1920s where women squirted Lysol up their vaginas to end their pregnancies. Lysol used to run ads on it.

White liberal woman already have a TFR of like 1.6, and that was last studied in like 2000s. Birth rates have fallen significantly since that period in America plus the left has shifted further to the left on cultural stuff. So with the advance of the pride agenda, a quarter of little girls IDing as other gendered, climate change making it a moral imperative never to have kids, etc- its probably closer to 1 now.

The biggest associations with low fertility is high level of female education followed by low religiosity and left wing political views. I've never seen great evidence that AWFLs/college educated white women are prolific users of abortion compared to minorities or low income whites with problematic impulse control.

Anyway with these birth rates, without or with abortion, white liberals shouldnt trouble us for much longer. It's a evolutionary dead end.

Birth rates remain steady and low in areas of industrialization. This has been observed in Pre Revolution Paris, Tudor England, Famine Ireland, and were low in Edo Japan. Every era has a threshold you reach. Birth rates increase not with abortion bans but with the guarantee your offspring will reach adulthood. Women in the past did not pop out eight babies on average - only those who survived pregnancy and childbirth could.
More educated women produce more intelligent offspring, as women have a greater say in IQ than previously thought.

The most prolific users of abortion are black and brown women of low SES and low IQ. White college girls have access to birth control and IUDs, especially if they are at a university campus.

Your statistics are correct. But as Bob Dylan famously sang: "The Times They Are a Changin".

More and more American minorities are voting Republican. Even Trump, who the media spent years saying was racist against Hispanics, captured a large portion of their vote.

Southern Hispanics and blacks tend to be religious too.

And after the past few days of liberals and leftists calling Thomas a nigger, it's just going to strengthen their resolve.

The Democrat's hold on the minority vote is slipping, and they know it.

Alas, it is not to be. Changing demographics are going overwhelmingly in Democrat favor. Your Based Asians are voting for bigger government, blacks and Hispanics overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. Even if you get Hispanics to vote Repub, it's only on the basis of ethnic interests. They might not like illegal immigration or CRT but they're still getting their uncles, aunts, and grandparents over and inflating their numbers.

 

[ICametoLurk]

Abortion is purely a Republican thing.

Republican appointed Judges caused Roe v Wade and Republican appointed Judges got rid of it.

Fuck Abraham Lincoln.

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

I remember all the times I heard that men should have no say in abortion. I would just like to cheer for all you ladies that finally roe v. wade is overturned, a piece of legislation that was written and judged by a group of about 8 men. The legacy of these men's voices has now been overturned.

Feminism is finally doing something positive for mankind (And the economy at large ).

 

[Lemmingwise]

More educated women produce more intelligent offspring, as women have a greater say in IQ than previously thought.

What the fuck am I reading, @Chandelier?

Are you using some definition of intelligence that depends on education?

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

So not sure if I just want to pick a fight or what I'm getting at here, other than saying I am beginning to doubt the "pure" intentions of early feminists in seeking legalization of abortions. It started from seeing the following picture on /pol/:

Spoiler: Results of an unplanned two-for-one on their abortion. NSFW/L

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Horrifying right? I can see how we wouldn't want this madness to continue. I can't even imagine the horrific circumstances one was trying to escape. It's easy to see why this became a rallying image. As a bit of a history sperg I wanted to know more and out of laziness I started at Wikipedia, I'll use them as they are "objective" or any bias would be placing Gerri Santoro in a more-positive light. What was this woman trying to escape?

Oh no, rape baby incoming or poverty I bet. Although great work leaving!

I mean, personally, I would have had higher priorities than sex in such circumstances but whatever. I guess it must have been tested and proven to be a tardbaby or something...

Lol nope. She hadn't actually left/divorced her abusive husband. She didn't want to deal with the affair or getting knocked up. So killing a baby was just another effort to kick the can down the road.

Without even getting into the myriad systemic differences between then and now, this is pretty damming. Obviously this isn't something to just mention or ask people about. So case details held out publicly are rare and ostensibly carefully selected. If this is the case they chose to share, what other hare-brained reasoning is being used as emotional lynch-pins behind the scenes?

28 weeks:



But as always, the REAL victim here is the woman who wanted to have an affair with a scumbag while supposedly fleeing for her life from her previous scumbag, whose quality of life was potentially about to be negatively impacted.

So of course, killing this person looking right at you- well that's a "human right."

 

[BelUwUga]

28 weeks:

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But as always, the REAL victim here is the woman who wanted to have an affair with a scumbag while supposedly fleeing for her life from her previous scumbag, whose quality of life was potentially about to be negatively impacted.

So of course, killing this person looking right at you- well that's a "human right."

That emphasis stings. Just short of seven months pregnant when this happened. It didn't stick out to me she was that far along on my first read holy fuck. What because she was strong enough to leave and fuck someone else but not strong enough to leave and stay gone to protect what was a viable child at that point? The more I learn about women the less I understand.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

That emphasis stings. Just short of seven months pregnant when this happened. It didn't stick out to me she was that far along on my first read holy fuck. What because she was strong enough to leave and fuck someone else but not strong enough to leave and stay gone to protect what was a viable child at that point? The more I learn about women the less I understand.

Feminists will feed you a line about how "at that time in history" it was impossible for a woman to survive as a single mother, so she had to throw herself at the next available man to save herself. Even if that were true, throwing herself at a married man seems...less than competent as a strategy. But it's not true. There's a story from that same time period in my own family tree of a woman who kicked her husband out for drunken behavior and unfaithfulness, in a still very conservative part of the country. She and her kids survived alright, and her church backed her up in her decision. She went to her grave a staunch conservative, funnily enough.

It's just a myth, a fabrication, that there was no social support for women in bad situations. Maybe there wasn't the same government bureaucratic structure there is now, but it wasn't hopeless by a long shot.

 

[BelUwUga]

Feminists will feed you a line about how "at that time in history" it was impossible for a woman to survive as a single mother, so she had to throw herself at the next available man to save herself. Even if that were true, throwing herself at a married man seems...less than competent as a strategy. But it's not true. There's a story from that same time period in my own family tree of a woman who kicked her husband out for drunken behavior and unfaithfulness, in a still very conservative part of the country. She and her kids survived alright, and her church backed her up in her decision. She went to her grave a staunch conservative, funnily enough.

It's just a myth, a fabrication, that there was no social support for women in bad situations. Maybe there wasn't the same government bureaucratic structure there is now, but it wasn't hopeless by a long shot.

See this is where I can educate you in turn. It's not that the support did not exist. It's that they'd be stigmatized and feel bad. Once again I can just tell you the what and not the why, but in a lot of cases women are more likely to believe in the impossible than to even entertain feeling bad for a moment.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

See this is where I can educate you in turn. It's not that the support did not exist. It's that they'd be stigmatized and feel bad. Once again I can just tell you the what and not the why, but in a lot of cases women are more likely to believe in the impossible than to even entertain feeling bad for a moment.

Perhaps so. I will posit that this particular individual- and a lot of the other women who ended up in similar circumstances hatching a harebrained plot for a DIY abortion on the run- represents another timeless archetype: The Loser. It's one thing to end up in a bad relationship that turns bad enough you have to flee. To immediately compound that hardship and the hardship of poverty and single motherhood by adding an adulterous affair with a guy whose character would also permit him to attempt to kill his own child with his own two hands- well that suggests a greater lack of judgment, discernment, and moral fiber.

 

[Particle Bored]

So no fucking any women that are under 36 years old, and after that we would need government paperwork and a $200 tax? I sense an ulterior motive, Jane, but you'll probably need to go back to the 1938 Federal Firearms Act if you want to stand a chance.

 

[SwanSwanson]

Left winger against abortion AMA

 

[Mr Bunny]

Left winger against abortion AMA

What's your opinion on the ethics in video game journalism?

 

[Netizennameless]

Except for the fact that the demographic most likely to have an abortion in the United States are black women, who are responsible for the majority of abortions in several red states (62% in Alabama, and 65% in Georgia, to name just two). Which party do black people overwhelmingly vote for again?

Black people overwhelmingly don't vote.

That emphasis stings. Just short of seven months pregnant when this happened. It didn't stick out to me she was that far along on my first read holy fuck. What because she was strong enough to leave and fuck someone else but not strong enough to leave and stay gone to protect what was a viable child at that point? The more I learn about women the less I understand.

There's nothing to understand. Women like that are beyond help and are better served aborting themselves. Women can be incredibly vicious and cruel and anyone who takes the bait that they are helpless victims who can't help themselves is a moron.

 

[Paranoia Machine]

Unity
Tradition
Morality
Rejection of degeneracy
National pride
Racial pride

All the things strong countries have. I'm sorry I want to hold women and men accountable for their actions instead of killing the unborn out of convenience

Also covid is just the fucking flu. You should use the "its immoral to bring children into a world of climate change" if you're trying for the bugman appeal to emotion.

So much emotional bias, how liberal of you.

 

[AnOminous]

Not coming back to this thread, but reposting here for a final reply to someone in the Supreme Court thread. I accidentally posted to the closed thread, so whatever.

And 66% support nationally is enough that more than 75% of states would have majority support to ratify at the state level.

That's absolute nonsense. It depends where the 66% are. Most legislatures are majority Republican right now. Do you understand anything about how any of this works at all and that much of that 66% are in states like California and New York, and have no influence whatsoever out of their states?

That's actually a feature, not a bug.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

Fuck Abraham Lincoln

Yeah fuck that guy, we would still be using slaves if wasn't for that republican cur.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

Not sure if it's been posted yet, but this is my new absolute favorite abortion protest image evar:

All credit is of course due to the brave Amanda Herring - Director of Jewish Life and Learning at Edlavitch DC Jewish Community Center.

This brave young woman who took time away from developing the Jewish Planner, shows us that 8 1/2 months of cell clumps in her belly Is Not Yet A Human, so there is no reason to get worked up about aborting them.

Such an iconic photo, may it never be lost to history.

 

[Muh Vagina]

Left winger against abortion AMA
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Why don't you support bodily autonomy? And since you don't support bodily autonomy, I'm going to take one of your kidneys, okay?

 

[Paranoia Machine]

This is one of those things I have been thinking about, but I feel isn't taken seriously enough.
In the most blunt terms, we downgraded a right that everyone was entitled to. Regardless of where you stand; you need to be aware of the fact that despite the opinions you have, the supreme court decided to take something that was available to everyone from a bill that nobody really thought was going to be repealed. And given what we have seen, it was just the supreme court's opinions despite what the nation's people have to say about it. Yes, abortion is not outlawed, but it was dropped down to states that will put restrictions on it. The same way California did to guns, and how many other rights get chipped at gradually.

I could give shit less about the "Sanctity of life" or a "Woman's right to choose". This is something that was not stripping the rights of us as a people, this was something that was used on case-by-case basis' for something lifechanging.
Keep in mind that there will always be horrible outliers, in this case women that choose to go without protection and use abortion as a means to an end, but like gun owners, like marijuana users, like anybody that uses the law for what it was meant for, the vast majority used it to make a very tough decision in a time of need. Which is what this country is all about.
The fact that just a handful can make a massive decision like this puts into question what else they will change and when. Especially when the circumstances are cases made for the sake of understanding the plight of another's burden; essentially V. cases.
I'm not saying that this isn't a choice being made "For the people" but lets be honest, why would there be a need to overturn a right that benefitted everyone? They added an arbitrary location-based step to overcome, giving more power to states, yes; but at the same time, giving more power to people that don't give a shit about the people. How many politicians from both sides of the aisle are in someone's pocket for what is essentially chump-change for high-ranking people? Hell, there's a whole wiki page dedicated to federal officials convicted in corruption offenses and it doesn't read good for either side.

This is the absolute illusion of control because there are assloads of politicians taking money from special interest lobbyists, with Chuck Schumer and Kevin McCarthy being the highest taking recipients. Or you get talking meatsuit politicians that make it abundantly clear that they speak for lobbyists like AOC or Ted Cruz.
Yes, some may dislike the opinion Roe v. Wade. Yes, it is a moral dilemma, but if you give in to the morality aspect and not the absolute facts; you create a divide that puts into question the morality of every other right and any time, including other ones we attribute to our rights that we claim are given to us infallibly by our constitution and it's amendments are questionable through euphemisms and semantics.

 

[SwanSwanson]

What's your opinion on the ethics in video game journalism?

Its a shame what journalism has become. I honestly feel like in the future journalism will become some sort of "dishonorable" profession like how acting was in the old days.

Why don't you support bodily autonomy? And since you don't support bodily autonomy, I'm going to take one of your kidneys, okay?