The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

People who are sincerely disgusted by child abuse don't generally go around sharing images and videos of child abuse for other people to ogle at
They would if people defended the legal right to abuse children.

Why don't you care about people calling them parasites? Why is your anger reserved for me, when I share the reality of what others are defending with dehumanizing language? Shouldn't those responsible for defending the practice receive your ire foremost?
 
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You can't have morals that just exist out of thin air,
I hate to break it to you, but that's how it works.

Literally any other pro-lifer could give a more compelling argument and I'd rather hear from them about actual concerns for what happens - not "just because".
You want to murder babies you do not get respect or courtesy or argument from me you get rope.
Trying to explain morality to amoral soulless people like you is a waste of breath. I'm only in this thread to get you to show what you are, and you have done so. Die and burn in hell, you deserve it.

There is no civil fucking debate to be had about this. You are a literal monster. If our country had any sense of justice you would be hanging from a tree right now.
 
I hate to break it to you, but that's how it works.


You want to murder babies you do not get respect or courtesy or argument from me you get rope.
Trying to explain morality to amoral soulless people like you is a waste of breath. I'm only in this thread to get you to show what you are, and you have done so. Die and burn in hell, you deserve it.

There is no civil fucking debate to be had about this. You are a literal monster.
You're right, we need more poverty babies in broken homes to be so mentally stunted that they'll just say "it's bad because it's bad". My god, the world is finally saved why haven't we just done this already.

1 like = 1 prayer for poverty babies
 
You're right, we need more poverty babies in broken homes to be so mentally stunted that they'll just say "it's bad because it's bad". My god, the world is finally saved why haven't we just done this already.
I'm not trying to save the world and it's delusional that you apparently are.
 
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came across this meme, figured it would be relevant here lol
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I'm pro abortion for the following reasons:

* If you ban abortions or make them illegal, there will be backyard or 'home' abortions like there were in the past. If someone is truly desperate not to have a child, they will find a way not to have that child.

* Women who become pregnant via rape (including in arranged and forced marriage) should not be expected to have a child.

* A woman's life should be given more respect than a cluster of cells that are not yet 'alive' in the way we understand it.

* The same people who cry about wasted life are those who will also say the world is overpopulated, there should be no welfare or benefits, turn a blind eye to the blight of absentee fathers, or consider children of broken homes to be a problem.

Most women who have abortions are doing so because they understand that they would not be bringing their child into a suitable environment, either because the relationship has broken down, they can't afford the child or they are not mentally/emotionally right to be mothers. Equally they may be terminating a pregnancy because the birth would be dangerous to the mother, or something is wrong with the child. Miscarriages are nature's abortions.

I don't think abortion is a casual choice. There are many forms of birth control and abstinence is the best of all, however I support abortions wholeheartedly.
 
A woman's life should be given more respect than a cluster of cells that are not yet 'alive' in the way we understand it.

What the fuck does this even mean. How is it difficult to understand that it is alive?


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Fyi: this is not from an abortion, but a car crash.

That is the "clump of cells", the "parasite" the "not yet alive".
 
I think we can all agree, that on some level, abortion is a "bad" thing. Regardless of what verbiage we use to make the process seem more palatable, it is something that if you use a little perspective, is clearly bad. However, we allow a lot of things that are "bad". Alcohol kills people and destroys families, gambling leaves people penniless, and the culture of sex and hedonism in he west has made marriages have the lasting power of a 25 cent gumball. Abortion is a topic that fills people with strong emotion, and generally their stances tend to be very rigid. Call me crazy, but it reminds me of the argument between moral vegans and meat eaters. One side inherently believes the consumption of animal meat is murder, and they have a strong emotional connection to that argument, while the other doesn't like being called murderers and disagrees with the stated terms of the argument. To people using shock arguments to try and convince people abortion is murder: Have you ever been convinced by vegan slaughterhouse footage, propaganda, or being told you are a murderer for eating that quarter pounder? Most people who aren't simps, are going to react very negatively, and become highly defensive. The argument is over before it starts because of the terms you have chosen for your argument.
 
If you ban abortions or make them illegal, there will be backyard or 'home' abortions like there were in the past. If someone is truly desperate not to have a child, they will find a way not to have that child.
Why is this a reason to legalize abortions specifically? Why does it not apply to all murder?
* Women who become pregnant via rape (including in arranged and forced marriage) should not be expected to have a child.
Does this override the child's right to life and justify murdering an innocent third party for the crimes of his father?
* A woman's life should be given more respect than a cluster of cells that are not yet 'alive' in the way we understand it.
It is alive. No one's life should be given priority over anyone else's. Both have an exactly equal and inalienable right to life. You may not murder person A to save the life of person B. That would be doing an act of evil to prevent an act of tragedy: an obvious bad trade from a moral perspective.
And anyway, it's a moot argument, because 99.99% of the time her life is not in any danger at all.
* The same people who cry about wasted life are those who will also say the world is overpopulated, there should be no welfare or benefits, turn a blind eye to the blight of absentee fathers, or consider children of broken homes to be a problem.
...and?
Most women who have abortions are doing so because they understand that they would not be bringing their child into a suitable environment, either because the relationship has broken down, they can't afford the child or they are not mentally/emotionally right to be mothers. Equally they may be terminating a pregnancy because the birth would be dangerous to the mother, or something is wrong with the child. Miscarriages are nature's abortions.
Murdering someone because they might be poor in the future is not moral or compassionate.
Eugenics as a panacea for world poverty is delusional and evil.
I don't think abortion is a casual choice.
99% of abortions are elective procedures which were conceived during consensual sex and which do not in any way risk the life of the mother. 60% were conceived while using birth control. Women who get abortions are whores who want to continue being whores while murdering the human beings that result from their whorishness.


Alcohol kills people and destroys families, gambling leaves people penniless, and the culture of sex and hedonism in he west has made marriages have the lasting power of a 25 cent gumball.
And yet it cannot be described as immoral in the same way as abortion can. Alcohol is a chemical, abortion is a conscious choice made by human beings. One can be judged morally, the other cannot. Objects cannot be evil, only humans can.
One side inherently believes the consumption of animal meat is murder, and they have a strong emotional connection to that argument, while the other doesn't like being called murderers and disagrees with the stated terms of the argument.
Necessarily, one side or the other must be objectively correct, and the other objectively wrong. Obviously the vegans are incorrect here. Killing an animal for food is not murder, it is perfect telos. Being killed for food is what animals are for.
To people using shock arguments to try and convince people abortion is murder: Have you ever been convinced by vegan slaughterhouse footage, propaganda, or being told you are a murderer for eating that quarter pounder?
No, because that's not murder. You can show me not-murder as many times as you like and it won't bother me a bit. Meanwhile these people literally cannot bear to look. I wonder why? Remember that my argument in this thread is not that abortion is wrong, but that everyone knows this and everyone arguing otherwise is lying either to us or to themselves.
Also they are not meant to be "shock arguments." They are simply us refusing to use euphemisms. I do not continually hammer the word "murder" because i'm trying to shock or shame people. I continually hammer it because it's murder that we're talking about. I refuse to call it anything else or acknowledge anyone's language where they call it something else. It isn't anything else, it's murder.
The argument is over before it starts because of the terms you have chosen for your argument.
There was never any argument to be had in the first place. Everyone in favor of abortion consciously knows that it is evil and simply does not care. All of their "arguments" are performative attempts to not seem overtly evil to others, based on social pragmatism.

What the fuck does this even mean. How is it difficult to understand that it is alive?
Stop taking their feigned ignorance as real. You are talking to a literal demon.
 
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Does this override the child's right to life and justify murdering an innocent third party for the crimes of his father?
You want the innocent pregnant woman (or girl) to suffer for the crimes of her rapist. You are a sadist.
 
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You want the innocent pregnant woman (or girl) to suffer for the crimes of her rapist. You are a sadist.
The fact he doesn't care about what happens to the child or even the mother in the first place gives his arguments zero weight, and isn't even worth drilling the consequences into his head because it doesn't affect him nor will it ever affect him.
 
The fact he doesn't care about what happens to the child or even the mother in the first place gives his arguments zero weight, and isn't even worth drilling the consequences into his head because it doesn't affect him nor will it ever affect him.
"If your argument isn't based on empathy and feelings I don't know how to talk to you"
lmao women
You want the innocent pregnant woman (or girl) to suffer for the crimes of her rapist. You are a sadist.
No I don't. I don't want to do anything to her. I just don't see a way to alleviate her suffering which isn't worse than letting her suffer. I would have to murder a human being to solve her problem, and I can't do that.
 
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Have you ever been convinced by vegan slaughterhouse footage, propaganda, or being told you are a murderer for eating that quarter pounder

Have you ever been convinced to become a meat eater or omnivore when people say you're secretly doing this because you're sadisticly enjoying it?

I'd make more comparisons, but I can't compare dehumanising language to vegetarianism/ veganism.

I must say I never felt the urge to attack vegans or vegetarians, not even the PETA type that made a kind of business model out of shocking people.

The difference, I believe is guilt. I feel no guilt for eating meat. This is different from those that perform or defend abortion. They've given abortion, or had one, or know advised someone to take one. This is a completely different issue.

Even considering for the slightest moment that it might be wrong, invites one of the most difficult penitentiary experiences. Because if it's wrong, it's very very wrong.

This is why people that defend the value of life are seen as such threats. It will literally put their world upside down.

And we can't really escape human morality even if we try. People that decide to start acting like sociopaths, in work for example, always end up paying the price inside themselves. The guilt may be latent, but it's there.

In defending life, these people are the greatest threat to opening up that bag of guilt. For some it may be relatively minor, it may have been one or two online comments, but for some they may have to reconcile a good part of their life with a new viewpoint that is more in line with the natural order.

I don't think it is escapable, but I do think one can try to escape it by being in denial about it.

See what the response was to seeing what life they thought acceptable to ending? No more comments about it being parasites. The comments about it being "clumps of cells" leave a bad aftertaste.

When faced with reality, the dehumanising language ceases to work.

As comparison to vegan vs. omnivore, vegans have a fair point against the majority of meat eaters as the mass of meat is produced in very dire circumstances for the animals.

Do meateaters use a tiny percentage of quality of life farming to defend the industrial scale hellish conditions farming? They are probably full of it.

Do abortion defenders use a tiny percentage of abortion cases to defend abortion for any reason and in any case and even practice denial toward attempts to lengthen abortion up to any term up to birth?

You can literally read this thread and see that denial in action where someone claimed nobody in the world would have that agenda, then someone posting links to a bill that would have legalized it and then a moving of goalposts to "yeah but a good doctor would never do that".

The denial is a necessity and omnivores/meateaters that are in denial about the life of the animal of the meat that they buy in an average supermarket is just as deserving to be shattered. That illusion causes harm, and makes people part of harm that they don't even want to inflict.

The embryo won't know what's happening.
People that are killed in their sleep don't know what's happening either.
Elders with alzheimers that are killed might not know what is happening either.

There is no act that becomes moral due to lack of knowledge by the victim. Stealing and embezzling come to mind.
 
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You've been arguing that "murder bad because I said so". Seems like that's your mantra of feels over reals.
Murder is wrong whether I say so or not.
That's not a feeling, it's an immutable fact of reality itself. It is natural law. It seems you are literally incapable of comprehending this. Your mental vocabulary does not contain the concepts I am using.
Morality is beyond you.

The embryo won't know what's happening.
Like I said before, these people think murder is wrong because it feels bad. They have no other reasoning, so if it doesn't feel bad, murder is fine.
They think self defense is justified not because the attacker has absolved himself of his rights or anything like that. They think self defense is justified because they don't have empathy for the attacker. If they did, they would say it wasn't justified.

This is why when you tell them morality is not based on feelings or empathy, they get confused.

And we can't really escape human morality even if we try. People that decide to start acting like sociopaths, in work for example, always end up paying the price inside themselves. The guilt may be latent, but it's there.
Morality is universal, eternal, and undeniable. No man may do evil without knowing what he is doing. Every conscious person has an infallible moral compass. No one ever disagrees. No one is ever mistaken. Not when it comes to morality. No argument is ever needed for morality. All evil is willfully done. Anyone who says otherwise is lying. Anyone who tries to rationalize their way out of morality should be hanged. The great sin of the pharisees was looking for loopholes in God's laws. The Enlightenment was a mistake.

People that are killed in their sleep don't know what's happening either.
Elders with alzheimers that are killed might not know what is happening either.

There is no act that becomes moral due to lack of knowledge by the victim. Stealing and embezzling come to mind.
What's most frustrating to me about this thread is that this slam dunk argument will be totally fucking ignored, will get no concession or admittance that they were wrong, and they will simply shuck and jive to a new tactic, probably one that failed enough pages back that they feel we've forgotten it and can try it again.

This is why I stopped making any effort a long time ago to convince people like this they are wrong. They already know they are wrong. They don't care.
 
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