The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[BelUwUga]

PPD are by and large exceptions, not the rule. Moreover they aren't limited to hormones as some would claim. Besides which the fathers of the children are too not immune to depression. If we truly require the most objective check then it would likely not fall to the mother or the father but a neutral third party, be it family members or council.

And of course it's specious! It's not meant to be taken any more seriously than my diatribes against God's chosen.

That's why I made sure to state it was a matter of pragmatism. While these are exceptional relative minorities, in absolute numbers there are many such cases. If we accept that as the inevitability that it is we justify having the check. While family members or by council may be more effective, there are simple matters of reality that may make it an impossibility. But there will always be a father, they will always be a stakeholder in the outcome, and they will almost invariably be vulnerable to the influence of the mother. In reality: I accept there are cases where termination of the pregnancy is in the best interest of all parties. There's a line somewhere, where I believe it is no longer right, legally or morally, to wantonly terminate the pregnancy. I'm not going to pretend to know enough to draw a definitive line in the sand. While I think the mother should hear the father's input and consider it, it's her decision to make.

Sounds like a high-risk high-reward gamble. Hope it pays off.

I've long since accepted this life is very much all-or-nothing. I'm at least going to bet big if I'm going to wind up felted.

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

That's why I made sure to state it was a matter of pragmatism. While these are exceptional relative minorities, in absolute numbers there are many such cases. If we accept that as the inevitability that it is we justify having the check. While family members or by council may be more effective, there are simple matters of reality that may make it an impossibility. But there will always be a father, they will always be a stakeholder in the outcome, and they will almost invariably be vulnerable to the influence of the mother. In reality: I accept there are cases where termination of the pregnancy is in the best interest of all parties. There's a line somewhere, where I believe it is no longer right, legally or morally, to wantonly terminate the pregnancy. I'm not going to pretend to know enough to draw a definitive line in the sand. While I think the mother should hear the father's input and consider it, it's her decision to make.

I understand your stance and really have nothing to add save for emphasising that both parties may be subject to terrible psychological turmoil in the event of a pregnancy.

I've long since accepted this life is very much all-or-nothing. I'm at least going to bet big if I'm going to wind up felted.

I'd date you.

 

[BelUwUga]

I'd date you.

Stay away from my precious bodily fluids, semen demon!

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

A fetus is.

I know that to be false, prove it.

Quote the Britannica.

You know I already did. You're running me in circles on purpose, but it's my fault for still taking you seriously...

One has nothing to do with the other, but sure. Link me some citations.

It does have everything to do with this. For one, you said only biological women can have babies, but you're not a biologist and haven't cited one for your claim. Now you want me to do so when you've proven you don't require it?

Do you know the definition of "inconsistent"? You're it.

How am I applying it incorrectly?

I know you're fucking with me. You know miscarriage isn't murder. Are you so afraid you're wrong that you need to play these games?

Because they approximately gain sentience at 22 weeks.

False.

Britannica, sentient: "able to feel, see, hear, smell, or taste".

"Fetuses" in the womb have been reported to respond to sound at 16 weeks, over a month before the earliest born baby. Irrelevant anyway, they're constantly growing so they'll develop senses, unless you kill them first that is.

You provided nothing.

Again, the record is available.

To be fair I'm sure there are trans people who we all haven't detected but I'm talking 99% of mtfs.

What's that have to do with anything? And if science keeps "advancing" they may be able to "pass" more consistently, but it won't change what they are.

It's not alive when it's freshly conceived, and 99% is a joke statistic.

What makes you say that it's not alive upon conception? Let me guess, temporary lack of sentience and small size, neither of which should grant you the right to kill it.

Okay, what number do you want? 98%? Even if it was 95% that's still an absolutely overwhelming majority.

lol okay

Rolls right off your back, see? You went ape shit over antisemitism pointed your way, but an attack on an aspect of your femininity was literally laughed off.

I said approximately 22 weeks.

Well with life and death, approximations are inadequate when an easy solution is available to avoid said deaths. You didn't explain how your belief in magic works either, please elaborate.

Well, both.

That would be rather redundant. It's almost like you don't actually think your position through and just wear a pussy hat.

About meat being ethical?

No, your reading comprehension is lacking.

 

[snailslime]

I know that to be false, prove it.

You prove it because you're the one claiming it is alive.

You know I already did. You're running me in circles on purpose, but it's my fault for still taking you seriously...

You sure hate citing sources for your claims.

It does have everything to do with this. For one, you said only biological women can have babies, but you're not a biologist and haven't cited one for your claim. Now you want me to do so when you've proven you don't require it?

Biologists say that only biological females can bear children, at least for now unless technology makes it possible for men to do the same (yikes).

Do you know the definition of "inconsistent"? You're it.

So are you, lol.

I know you're fucking with me. You know miscarriage isn't murder. Are you so afraid you're wrong that you need to play these games?

Miscarriage is a natural abortion. No difference, really.

False.

Britannica, sentient: "able to feel, see, hear, smell, or taste".

"Fetuses" in the womb have been reported to respond to sound at 16 weeks, over a month before the earliest born baby. Irrelevant anyway, they're constantly growing so they'll develop senses, unless you kill them first that is.

They don't develop sentience that allows them to feel pain and emotion until around 22 weeks.

What's that have to do with anything? And if science keeps "advancing" they may be able to "pass" more consistently, but it won't change what they are.

You brought them up, not me. I really don't care about trannies unless they're troons who are trying to take my biological female rights away.

You're the one who has a weird fixation with them.

What makes you say that it's not alive upon conception? Let me guess, temporary lack of sentience and small size, neither of which should grant you the right to kill it.

That, and science.

Why can't I abort it if it has a lack of sentience?

Okay, what number do you want? 98%? Even if it was 95% that's still an absolutely overwhelming majority.

You're just making up numbers.

Rolls right off your back, see? You went ape shit over antisemitism pointed your way, but an attack on an aspect of your femininity was literally laughed off.

Oh no, a stranger on the internet said I'd be a bad mother. Whatever will I do?

Using ad-hominems just proves that you and the other speds in this thread already lost the argument.

Well with life and death, approximations are inadequate when an easy solution is available to avoid said deaths. You didn't explain how your belief in magic works either, please elaborate.

What belief in magic?
Your belief that a freshly fertilized egg is alive is more close to magic than anything I believe, lol.

That would be rather redundant. It's almost like you don't actually think your position through and just wear a pussy hat.

How so?

No, your reading comprehension is lacking.

I refuse to argue in circles. Either accept an answer or stop asking questions that you already know the answers to.

 

[Hotter Shoeonhead.]

Someone show me where in the Bible it says life begins at conception it says in genesis that life begins at you’re first breath
Genesis 2:7
Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

I have provided many verses where Israelites were asked to kill BABIES of neighboring tribes.

 

[Hotter Shoeonhead.]

@gang weeder a fetus isn’t a child try again an actual child is a fully developed human being and can actually feel pain and is sentient so no abortion is not ‘’killing children’’.

 

[snailslime]

Someone show me where in the Bible it says life begins at conception it says in genesis that life begins at you’re first breath
Genesis 2:7
Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

I have provided many verses where Israelites were asked to kill BABIES of neighboring tribes.

@gang weeder a fetus isn’t a child try again an actual child is a fully developed human being and can actually feel pain and is sentient so no abortion is not ‘’killing children’’.

These speds don't care about the truth.

 

[Hotter Shoeonhead.]

Fetuses behave like parasites in the mother’s body.

https://www.reading.ac.uk/news-archive/press-releases/pr9938.html

@SSj_Ness[/USER]

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

Good genes, material security, decent character, no defects, desire. These basic factors govern any rational woman's decision when selecting a mate or choosing to rear their offspring. Why some think that a sub-par specimen's parasite (which isn't even alive) ought to hijack the womb and ruin decades of life for everyone, I have no idea.

 

[Sammich]

I sleep with men I don't care. Now get your belly round and roll off the site.

You are a faggot, you have no place in this conversation, you loud mouthed literal cocksucker.

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

You are a faggot, you have no place in this conversation, you loud mouthed literal cocksucker.

Actually I do. Much like women I don't fuck entitled incels. Not unless they make me a @Sammich.

 

[Sammich]

Actually I do. Much like women I don't fuck entitled incels. Not unless they make me a @Sammich.

You are a genetic dead end, you have no concept of this discussion, yet you try to insert yourself. which is much like how faggots reproduce.
So, was it a family member that raped you or a family friend?

 

[snailslime]

You are a genetic dead end, you have no concept of this discussion, yet you try to insert yourself. which is much like how faggots reproduce.
So, was it a family member that raped you or a family friend?

you're kidding yourself if you think you aren't a genetic dead end.

your opinion on abortion doesn't mean shit until you can bear children.

 

[Haunted Gambler]

your opinion on abortion doesn't mean shit until you can bear children.

So your opinions also don't mean a shit?

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

You are a genetic dead end, you have no concept of this discussion, yet you try to insert yourself. which is much like how faggots reproduce.
So, was it a family member that raped you or a family friend?

You don't need to fuck to impregnate a woman. But I think you would hate sperm clinics since they are pickier than women with their donors.
What is it with you and family rapes anyway? Are your parents related?

So your opinions also don't mean a shit?

She's a woman. Her opinion counts much more than a man's when it comes to abortion.

 

[Sammich]

you're kidding yourself if you think you aren't a genetic dead end.

your opinion on abortion doesn't mean shit until you can bear children.

That's a stupid as fuck stance, and you are stupid as fuck.

 

[snailslime]

So your opinions also don't mean a shit?

I'm a biological woman, you're not.

That's a stupid as fuck stance, and you are stupid as fuck.

How so?

 

[Zero Day Defense]

There's no indiscretion cuz foetuses are fundamentally different from babies

Fundamentally?

What, are they plants before they're born?

I have a question for the "It's literally murder" people: what about Plan B or a pharmaceutical abortion? When does it go from prophylactic to murder for you?

A) After conception.
B) >not trying for baby every time you have sex
C) Abortion is abortion, whether you're deliberately ingesting poison, throwing your hormones out of whack, taking a Dyson to the fetus, or crushing its skull after you inject it with some saline solution to kill it.

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

Fundamentally?

What, are they plants before they're born?

They're more similar to plants than babies yes.