The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Haunted Gambler]

She's a woman. Her opinion count much more than a man's when it comes to abortion.

I'm a biological woman, you're not.

It's funny how you two instantly assume I'm a man, just because I pointed out Snailslime's hypocrisy.

What's your opinions on eugenics, btw?

 

[snailslime]

Fundamentally?

What, are they plants before they're born?

Technically they are just as sentient as plants.

A) After conception.
B) >not trying for baby every time you have sex
C) Abortion is abortion, whether you're deliberately ingesting poison, throwing your hormones out of whack, taking a Dyson to the fetus, or crushing its skull after you inject it with some saline solution to kill it.

So what?

 

[snailslime]

It's funny how you two instantly assume I'm a man, just because I pointed out Snailslime's hypocrisy.

What hypocrisy?

What's your opinions on eugenics, btw?

Why?

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

It's funny how you two instantly assume I'm a man, just because I pointed out Snailslime's hypocrisy.

What hypocrisy? I neither assumed nor implied your gender. If anything your response would be funny because it means you're a madwoman who argues against her own best interests while pulling other women down just to get kiwi ass-pats.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

They're more similar to plants than babies yes.

Shut up, Aristotle.

She's a woman. Her opinion count much more than a man's when it comes to abortion.

No, it doesn't. Women aren't the ones doing the heavy lifting for abortion access or abortion restriction legislation. They haven't invented a single thing involved in any kind of abortion. They aren't the ones manufacturing the tools or drugs involved in abortion. They aren't the ones designing the drugs involved in chemical abortions. Most OB/GYNs throughout history have been male, and it's only been until recently that women have outnumbered men in that specialty.

They can't even conceive by themselves. A father is automatically on the hook for their child-- whether they wanted that child or not-- because the child's also their flesh and blood.

How the hell does a woman's opinion count more than a man's when the most they do is either scream about how current abortion restrictions are okay/we should have more, or scream about how the nearest doctor should be mandated by law to provide an abortion service because they don't have the guts to take a coathanger to themselves if they want to not suffer the consequences of their actions so badly? Because they carry the baby?

If every man decided that abortion was wrong and that they wouldn't aid or abet the baby-eating machine, the only women getting rid of their babies would also be mostly taking their own lives in their own improvised procedures, and maybe we'd have an uptick in women being arrested for attempted/completed infanticide, Women wouldn't be able to do a thing about it except cope and seethe (because dilation would be illegal).

Women have only ever been allowed to get abortions because men said so-- and in the States they had to legislate from the bench on top of inventing a constitutional right in order to force all states to do it (and even that was half-assed). Women have been restricted by whatever statutes in that same regard on account of those same men. So, no, considering who's actually doing anything actually involving abortion, a man's opinion counts at least as much as a woman's-- and that's being charitable.

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

Shut up, Aristotle.

I'm Diogenes. I pinch chicks during lectures.

No, it doesn't. Women aren't the ones doing the heavy lifting for abortion access or abortion restriction legislation. They haven't invented a single thing involved in any kind of abortion. They aren't the ones manufacturing the tools or drugs involved in abortion. They aren't the ones designing the drugs involved in chemical abortions. Most OB/GYNs throughout history have been male, and it's only been until recently that women have outnumbered men in that specialty.

Did you invent your own house, kitchen, computer, language and ethnicity? If not then by your own logic you're not entitled to any of those.

They can't even conceive by themselves. A father is automatically on the hook for their child-- whether they wanted that child or not-- because the child's also their flesh and blood.

What hook? There's millions of deadbeat fathers that impregnate women and don't do much else.

How the hell does a woman's opinion count more than a man's when the most they do is either scream about how current abortion restrictions are okay/we should have more, or scream about how the nearest doctor should be mandated by law to provide an abortion service because they don't have the guts to take a coathanger to themselves if they want to not suffer the consequences of their actions so badly? Because they carry the baby?

Why should anyone resort to dangerous coat hangers as opposed to safe abortion clinics? What's wrong with you?

If every man decided that abortion was wrong and that they wouldn't aid or abet the baby-eating machine, the only women getting rid of their babies would also be mostly taking their own lives in their own improvised procedures, or we'd have an uptick in women being arrested for attempted/completed infanticide, and women wouldn't be able to do a thing about it except cope and seethe (because dilation would be illegal).

Should we legalise rape as well?

Women have only ever been allowed to get abortions because men said so. Women have been restricted by whatever statutes in that same regard on account of those same men.

"My sex is better than yours."

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Did you invent your own house, kitchen, computer,

I gained ownership of those items that's recognized and enforceable by standing law. But indeed, if it was the law that I wasn't allowed to purchase or own such things, my only recourse would be to change the law or jockey people who could change the law to do so and hope they do out of their own goodwill.

Those who call abortion "reproductive justice" aren't that keen, and don't even know what Roe is, much less that it was effectively amended by Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

language and ethnicity?

Unlike an abortion, nobody can definitively stop me from acquiring either of those outside inflicting severe brain trauma.

There's millions of deadbeat fathers that impregnate women and don't do much else.

And they're chased for child support when their locations are known and the woman cares enough to have them pursued by the state.

Why should anyone resort to dangerous coat hangers as opposed to safe abortion clinics?

They want the baby gone that badly, right? In the absence of a means of a professionally done abortion, they'd be willing to resort to crude measures, right? Regrettably, given the circumstances, I can't do anything about a woman somewhere else entirely trying to kill the baby inside her for no good reason, but it's just deserts if she kills herself in the process.

What's wrong with you?

I don't have any sympathy for people who commission the murder of their children because they couldn't even have the man having sex with them wear a dick glove.

 

[Haunted Gambler]

What hypocrisy?

You admitted to being a genetical dead end. Genetical dead ends don't have children (Hence the name). You also said people can't have opinions unless they can bear children. So why do you have opinions on abortion if you're a genetical dead end yourself? And why should we listen to a genetical dead end's opinions on our species' reproduction?

Why?

You can't deny one while also supporting the other. If you're pro-abortion, you must also be pro-eugenics. Otherwise, you're a poser.

If anything your response would be funny because it means you're a madwoman who argues against her own best interests while pulling other women down just to get kiwi ass-pats.

I'm sorry, but I'm not the one who says "Fetuses are parasites".

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

I gained ownership of those items that's recognized and enforceable by standing law. But indeed, if it was the law that I wasn't allowed to purchase or own such things, my only recourse would be to change the law or jockey people who could change the law to do so and hope they do out of their own goodwill. Those who call abortion "reproductive justice" aren't that keen, and don't even know what Roe is, much less that it was effectively amended by Planned Parenthood v. Casey. Unlike an abortion, nobody can definitively stop me from acquiring either of those outside inflicting severe brain trauma. And they're chased for child support when their locations are known and the woman cares enough to have them pursued by the state. They want the baby gone that badly, right? In the absence of a means of a professionally done abortion, they'd be willing to resort to crude measures, right? Regrettably, given the circumstances, somewhere else entirely trying to kill the baby inside her for no good reason, but it's just deserts if she kills herself in the process. I don't have any sympathy for people who commission the murder of their children because they couldn't even have the man having sex with them wear a dick glove.

I'm not doing that reddit shit.

If you acknowledge that your property rights and right to life depend on man's whim and law then you can't judge women so harshly for benefitting from these as well. Ignoring un-keen activists and deadbeat dads, your "I can't do anything about a woman" is seriously disturbing -- you're neither entitled nor obliged to do either. I won't bother answering anything else because you do not care about babies. You want to punish women. This is simply a moral high-ground that you chose so that you may spite them with a veneer of respectability and nuance. I can tell that that's true because even with copulation, where both parties share the responsibility for protection equally, you single out women and abdicate men of all responsibility.

I'm sorry, but I'm not the one who says "Fetuses are parasites".

Okay. Fetuses are parasites. What now? Should millions of women be forced to have children over a mishap?

 

[snailslime]

You admitted to being a genetical dead end. Genetical dead ends don't have children (Hence the name).

But I'm capable of conceiving children.

You also said people can't have opinions unless they can bear children. So why do you have opinions on abortion if you're a genetical dead end yourself? And why should we listen to a genetical dead end's opinions on our species' reproduction?

Because pregnancy is a viable risk for all biological women who are fertile, therefore abortion is a female matter.

You can't deny one while also supporting the other. If you're pro-abortion, you must also be pro-eugenics. Otherwise, you're a poser.

No, because abortion and eugenics are two completely different things.

I'm sorry, but I'm not the one who says "Fetuses are parasites".

They are.

I doubt you're a woman by the way.

I gained ownership of those items that's recognized and enforceable by standing law. But indeed, if it was the law that I wasn't allowed to purchase or own such things, my only recourse would be to change the law or jockey people who could change the law to do so and hope they do out of their own goodwill.

Cool. That has absolutely nothing to do with abortion

Those who call abortion "reproductive justice" aren't that keen, and don't even know what Roe is, much less that it was effectively amended by Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

Why does it matter?

Unlike an abortion, nobody can definitively stop me from acquiring either of those outside inflicting severe brain trauma.

And?

And they're chased for child support when their locations are known and the woman cares enough to have them pursued by the state.

As they should be.

They want the baby gone that badly, right? In the absence of a means of a professionally done abortion, they'd be willing to resort to crude measures, right? Regrettably, given the circumstances, I can't do anything about a woman somewhere else entirely trying to kill the baby inside her for no good reason, but it's just deserts if she kills herself in the process.

If you're so pro-life then isn't more deaths exactly the opposite of what you want?

I don't have any sympathy for people who commission the murder of their children because they couldn't even have the man having sex with them wear a dick glove.

Fetuses aren't children.

Not all sex is consensual and protection fails sometimes.

 

[All Cops Are Based]

But I'm capable of conceiving children.

No, you're not. That requires both a womb and the existence of a male who is sexually attracted to the smell of cat pee and bitterness

 

[snailslime]

No, you're not. That requires both a womb and the existence of a male who is sexually attracted to the smell of cat pee and bitterness

projection is one hell of a drug, tranny.

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

I'll be real fam, I lean pro-life because abortion wigs me out.
It just feels fucked up to me.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I'm not doing that reddit shit.

Get over yourself-- it's the same exact thing you did in the comment to which I was responding, except you deliberately removed all its organization this time and labeled it "reddit shit" for your own convenience.

If you acknowledge that your property rights and right to life depend on man's whim and law then you can't judge women so harshly for benefitting from these as well.

I'm not judging "women" for "benefiting from them", I'm judging pro-choice/pro-abortion proponents for not acknowledging that the credit for every ounce of progress for and against their agenda is owed to the same people they insist have no opinion at least of equal weight to theirs on the matter, even as the offspring is necessarily as much a man's flesh and blood as it is a woman's.

I won't bother answering anything else because you do not care about babies. You want to punish women.

...by having them deal with the consequences of their own actions by not providing the means to erase those consequences by someone else's hands?

Just fuck off. You're a collection of talking points and no convictions-- and you don't even have enough of the former.

This is simply a moral high-ground that you chose so that you may spite them with a veneer of respectability and nuance. I can tell that that's true because even with copulation, where both parties share the responsibility for protection equally, you single out women and abdicate men of all responsibility.

They can't even conceive by themselves.

Women have only ever been allowed to get abortions because men said so-- and in the States they had to legislate from the bench on top of inventing a constitutional right in order to force all states to do it (and even that was half-assed). Women have been restricted by whatever statutes in that same regard on account of those same men.

[...]even as the offspring is necessarily as much a man's flesh and blood as it is a woman's.

As I said.

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

Get over yourself-- it's the same exact thing you did in the comment to which I was responding, except you deliberately removed all its organization this time and labeled it "reddit shit" for your own convenience.

Un-ironic yes. I'm done slapping tits-for-tats. And ironically the one here that seriously entertains your nonsense is @snailslime, a biological woman.

I'm not judging "women" for benefiting from them, I'm judging pro-choice/pro-abortion activists for not acknowledging that the credit for every ounce of progress for and against their agenda is owed to the same people they insist have no opinion at least of equal weight to theirs on the matter, even as the offspring is necessarily as much a man's flesh and blood as it is a woman's.

...by having them deal with the consequences of their own actions by not providing the means to erase those consequences by someone else's hands?

Just fuck off. You're a collection of talking points and no convictions-- and you don't even have enough of the former.

As I said.

You have repeatedly singled out women in instances where men are equally liable for their actions, that's prejudicial. Pro-choice simply wants to not be barred from exercising their human rights. The stupidity or ignorance that you ascribed to them is irrelevant to upholding these rights. This "responsibility" shtick rings hollow: A woman that aborts deals with the consequences of her actions, just in a way that so happens to be immoral to you personally. And being vapid is preferable to being a sexist sadist.

 

[Haunted Gambler]

Should millions of women be forced to have children over a mishap?

You mean the mishaps like couples having sex and the wife ends up getting pregnant, even though she doesn't want it?
Look, if you don't want to get pregnant, you shouldn't have sex in the first place. The whole point of sex is reproduction. The enjoyement you get from sex is to encourage you to have more kids. That's how the nature works. That's how sexual reproduction evolved.
And if you really really want to have sex with a man but don't want to get pregnant, you should follow your period cycles and choose an appropriate time for that. Avoiding getting pregnant is that easy.

But I'm capable of conceiving children.

You don't have to be infertile to be a genetical dead end. Deciding to not having kids is enough too.

No, because abortion and eugenics are two completely different things.

Lol. Poser.
Would you allow couples to abort their disabled baby, because they don't want a disabled child?
Or would you stop that because that is eugenics?

I doubt you're a woman by the way.

"You can't have this opinion if you're a woman and if you do, then you're not a woman."
Such a great logic right there.
What happened to that "Only biological woman are allowed to express their opinions on abortion" thingy? I guess not having "the right opinions" makes me a lesser woman now.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

You have repeatedly singled out women in instances where men are equally liable for their actions, that's prejudicial.

I'm not going to have a sidebar for your sake where I talk extensively about the importance of the father in the home, or the intrinsic responsibility of the father for the child as recognized by every body of law and every culture on the face of the earth, all because-- rather than earnestly not being able to put two and two together-- you're desperately looking for an excuse to spit out a thought-terminating cliché.

I'm definitely not going to do that given that I've almost certainly already done so in this thread, and I'm definitely not going to do it when I still did in my conversation with you at least four times-- as I highlighted.

Pro-choice simply wants to not be barred from exercising their human rights.

"Access to feticide" isn't a human right-- not that rights aren't themselves more rigid forms of privileges that still need to be upheld by some wide-spanning power. That said, there isn't a single place in the world that doesn't have a cutoff date for even the most lax of abortion permissions.

This "responsibility" shtick rings hollow: A woman that aborts deals with the consequences of her actions

Literally, someone else does it for her-- almost certainly in a facility funded by (mostly men's) taxpayer dollars. It's the antithesis of taking responsibility.

And being vapid is preferable to being a sexist sadist.

Yes, I'm a sexist because I believe women are capable of and should be expected to take responsibility for their actions.

How many more clichés do you have up your sleeve?

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

You mean the mishaps like couples having sex and the wife ends up getting pregnant, even though she doesn't want it?
Look, if you don't want to get pregnant, you shouldn't have sex in the first place. The whole point of sex is reproduction. The enjoyement you get from sex is to encourage you to have more kids. That's how the nature works. That's how sexual reproduction evolved.
And if you really really want to have sex with a man but don't want to get pregnant, you should follow your period cycles and choose an appropriate time for that. Avoiding getting pregnant is that easy.

You're offering me a naturalistic fallacy. Nature itself does not grant us purpose; it simply retains traits that flourish on Earth's niche. We're not endowed to enjoy sex any more than we are gifted with the faculties to abort its consequences. Your life is your own.

How many more clichés do you have up your sleeve?

Hard to tell. They all suit you.

Anyway I'm not obliged to pick up on your past discussions and wallow in your entertained notions of fatherhood. To put things simply, I have taken your interaction with me at face value and have found them to be sexist beyond recourse. If my impression is at fault then I'm sorry. If it's apt then I feel sorry for you.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Anyway I'm not obliged to pick up on your past discussions and wallow in your entertained notions of fatherhood.

Glossing whatever that is, my point is that I don't have to because it's irrelevant to the track of the conversation. You're pretending that I'm forcing away from men responsibility for their actions when it's really not relevant to what's being talked about. You do so because you feel the need to create an opportunity to spit out a cliché on account of being nothing but a capsule machine of talking points.

And even then, I discussed the responsibility of men and fathers in this conversation.

To put things simply, I have taken your interaction with me at face value and have found them to be sexist beyond recourse.

Only a Redditor, Twitter regular, or amateur TERF could unironically leverage the word "sexist" at someone as if it were some magic word that wins arguments.

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

Incel tantrums.

I'm not looking for rejoinders. Even if I ignored our past exchange you're still concocting a dreadful philosophy that places men and women into a world of hurt, depriving them of their reproductive rights to suit your perverted notions of life. Moreover I'm not debating with you but having a discussion. That's why I ditched the Reddit shit.