The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Duke Nukem]

The 38 second mark is my thoughts on abortion, basically.

 

[snailslime]

@Doctor of Autism Dislike in lieu of an answer. Kek. So much for that little "gotcha."

yes or no?

do you think a daughter should have to carry her father's fetus if he rapes her?

 

[gang weeder]

I love how you dodged my question because it's easier for you to endorse rape babies than babies conceived by incest. Why not admit you're fine with inbreeding? Like sure the kid will be physically and mentally impaired but it's important to preserve life, that is except for the financial support needed to raise a damn kid.

The question I'm asking you extrapolates the answer to the one you asked me.

If a woman bears a child by rape, can she smother it in its crib if she one day decides she doesn't want it anymore?

The gotchas aren't so much fun when they aren't asked on your terms, huh?

 

[Marcus Tullius Cicero]

Women who get abortions are typically going to get one as soon as they find out they're pregnant. That usually happens within the first trimester by a huge amount. But doesn't matter because you GOPers want to ban that, too.

I can't really say how I feel about a blanket-ban. Probably because I've never given the matter much thought. I can comprehend the argument that abortions be required for "medical emergencies," though I don't know of any that would require them. Especially within the third-trimester. I'm not denying some might exist; just saying I'm unaware.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

The question I'm asking you extrapolates the answer to the one you asked me.

If a woman bears a child by rape, can she smother it in its crib if she one day decides she doesn't want it anymore?

The gotchas aren't so much fun when they aren't asked on your terms, huh?

Well clearly if she didn't want it, she'd give it up for adoption or abort the damn baby before giving birth. Even then, there is a difference between a fucking fetus and a baby you retard.

 

[gang weeder]

Well clearly if she didn't want it, she'd give it up for adoption or abort the damn baby before giving birth. Even then, there is a difference between a fucking fetus and a baby you retard.

So your answer is that no, smothering an infant would be wrong even if it's a rapebaby, instead it should be given up for adoption?

 

[Doctor of Autism]

So your answer is that no, smothering an infant would be wrong even if it's a rapebaby, instead it should be given up for adoption?

Yes if the woman chose to birth the damn child and never bothered to abort it for some reason (only likely reason is that she'd be arrested or put to death like so many pro-lifers in government want if a woman decides to have an abortion). It should be given up for adoption, but if whoever this Jane Doe is wanted to kill it, then maybe she should never have been allowed near a child in the first place.

Now since I answered my question now answer if you are fine with inbreeding and incest babies? And answer @snailslime's question as well?

 

[Duke Nukem]

@gang weeder probably thinks a 14 year old should be forced to carry her 35 year old rapists' baby.

@gang weeder *is* the 35 year old rapist in that scenario.

 

[Cilleystring]

Speaking of Chris Chan there are two pro-abortion arguments that can be made with him

1. Should irresponsible out of touch parents have the right to carry a mentally ill child who will turn out to be a dreg?

2. Should a woman carry a baby if she was raped by a close relative, like their own son for example?

If Barb was pregnant with Chris' incest baby I would instantly change my stance to pro-life in hopes that Crystal is born and becomes the future Queen of Lolcows

 

[Doctor of Autism]

If Barb was pregnant with Chris' incest baby I would instantly change my stance to pro-life in hopes that Crystal is born and becomes the future Queen of Lolcows

You know what, that actually is a good argument

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I can't really say how I feel about a blanket-ban. Probably because I've never given the matter much thought. I can comprehend the argument that abortions be required for "medical emergencies," though I don't know of any that would require them. Especially within the third-trimester. I'm not denying some might exist; just saying I'm unaware.

Again, no woman is going to elect to get one in the third trimester. Do you have any idea how much work a pregnancy is? By 8 months, the name will have already been picked out. Baby clothes and other supplies will be bought. A room and crib will be ready.

 

[Duke Nukem]

You know what, that actually is a good argument

My body isn't sure whether it wants to laugh hysterically or vomit like a waterfall at that idea.

 

[gang weeder]

Yes if the woman chose to birth the damn child and never bothered to abort it for some reason (only likely reason is that she'd be arrested or put to death like so many pro-lifers in government want if a woman decides to have an abortion). It should be given up for adoption, but if whoever this Jane Doe is wanted to kill it, then maybe she should never have been allowed near a child in the first place.

Now since I answered my question now answer if you are fine with inbreeding and incest babies? And answer @snailslime's question as well?

As opposed to murdering them? Obviously I believe it is wrong to kill a child just because it is a product of rape or incest. This includes children in the womb. See how that works? If it's a kid, rape isn't an excuse to murder them, just like you yourself recognized when cornered. If it's not a kid, you don't need rape as a justification to terminate it, you could just do it for fun since it's "just a clump of cells." So the spamming of "rape rape rape," as I've tried to explain many times, is pointless and changes nothing.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

My body isn't sure whether it wants to laugh hysterically or vomit like a waterfall at that idea.

I'd laugh because that scenario is something you'd only see in like a bad horror movie.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

As opposed to murdering them? Obviously I believe it is wrong to kill a child just because it is a product of rape or incest. This includes children in the womb. See how that works? If it's a kid, rape isn't an excuse to murder them, just like you yourself recognized when cornered. If it's not a kid, you don't need rape as a justification to terminate it, you could just do it for fun since it's "just a clump of cells." So the spamming of "rape rape rape," as I've tried to explain many times, is pointless and changes nothing.

Okay so basically you're fine with incest babies. Thanks for the very self-righteous answer to say that yes you are fine with inbreeding.

 

[gang weeder]

Okay so basically you're fine with incest babies. Thanks for the very self-righteous answer to say that yes you are fine with inbreeding.

As opposed to murdering them, yes. As are you.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

As opposed to murdering them? Obviously I believe it is wrong to kill a child just because it is a product of rape or incest. This includes children in the womb. See how that works? If it's a kid, rape isn't an excuse to murder them, just like you yourself recognized when cornered. If it's not a kid, you don't need rape as a justification to terminate it, you could just do it for fun since it's "just a clump of cells." So the spamming of "rape rape rape," as I've tried to explain many times, is pointless and changes nothing.

“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.

 

[veri]

It's a really big deal when a disproportionate number of teens get labelled as sex offenders because of some arcane laws that fly in the face of reason.

i agree with you here, the AOC should
better accommodate teen relationships and account for age differences as well. i think the AOC should still be 18 though to prevent old creeps from trying to get with high schoolers though. but yeah, if a 19 year old and a 17 year old date there’s nothing really wrong with that, but if an 18 year old and a 40 year old date there’s definitely something sus there. basically when it comes to sex i think AOC needs to take the difference in age into account as well

I do not agree with current AOC because it denies human agency, stunts people's development and

how does it stunt development though? a 14 year old being legally allowed a relationship with someone twice their age doesn’t make them mature, it’s predatory. there’s a reason that old predators go for teenagers, cause they’re not matured mentally and are easier to manipulate

 

[gang weeder]

“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.

Usually I ignore this retarded copypasta but I realized some parts of it are incoherent, so my autism compels me to point that out.

"They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn."

Yes, they are morally uncomplicated, in the sense that murder is wrong. As I've said many times, this issue is actually extremely simple. All its faux-complexity derives from the endless mental gymnastics of those who seek to invent excuses for child murder. And when a child goes from unborn to born, my stance towards them remains exactly the same as before they were born, in the sense that I still believe it would be wrong to murder them.

"You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone."

Being anti-life is much easier and safer in terms of maintaining one's social status and associated privileges. And anti-lifers tend to devolve into hysterics about how horribly social structures will be upset if abortion is banned (protesting by dressing up as Handmaid's Tale breeding slaves for instance), so no, it doesn't seem to be the case that you can "love the unborn" without re-imagining social structures. Most pro-lifers consider current social structures to be inadequate anyways.

"They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn."

This implies some kind of choice between the welfare of the unborn and all those other groups, as if somehow not being able to kill children in the womb will lead to some kind of harm for "prisoners, immigrants, the sick," etc.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Usually I ignore this retarded copypasta but I realized some parts of it are incoherent, so my autism compels me to point that out.

"They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn."

Yes, they are morally uncomplicated, in the sense that murder is wrong. As I've said many times, this issue is actually extremely simple. All its faux-complexity derives from the endless mental gymnastics of those who seek to invent excuses for child murder. And when a child goes from unborn to born, my stance towards them remains exactly the same as before they were born, in the sense that I still believe it would be wrong to murder them.

"You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone."

Being anti-life is much easier and safer in terms of maintaining one's social status and associated privileges. And anti-lifers tend to devolve into hysterics about how horribly social structures will be upset if abortion is banned (protesting by dressing up as Handmaid's Tale breeding slaves for instance), so no, it doesn't seem to be the case that you can "love the unborn" without re-imagining social structures. Most pro-lifers consider current social structures to be inadequate anyways.

"They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn."

This implies some kind of choice between the welfare of the unborn and all those other groups, as if somehow not being able to kill children in the womb will lead to some kind of harm for "prisoners, immigrants, the sick," etc.

No, it points out what a hypocrite you and your fellow evangelical fundies are.

You only care about fetuses because it requires no sacrifice on your part. When it comes to expanding welfare for the poor, you throw a temper tantrum about it. When it comes to free healthcare, you throw a temper tantrum about it. When it comes to helping the homeless, you throw a temper tantrum about it. You don't give a shit about the mother. You literally think a corpse should have more rights than a living, adult woman. Then you have the gall to wonder why people say you hate women

You're a hypocrite and Jesus would be hella pissed at you zealots.