The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[gang weeder]

No, it points out what a hypocrite you and your fellow evangelical fundies are.

You only care about fetuses because it requires no sacrifice on your part. When it comes to expanding welfare for the poor, you throw a temper tantrum about it. When it comes to free healthcare, you throw a temper tantrum about it. When it comes to helping the homeless, you throw a temper tantrum about it. You don't give a shit about the mother. You literally think a corpse should have more rights than a living, adult woman. Then you have the gall to wonder why people say you hate women

You're a hypocrite and Jesus would be hella pissed at you zealots.

I think the only thing I've said about welfare in this thread is that I wouldn't be opposed to state programs providing for those with severe mental/physical disabilities. Even if I claimed that I was a full-on communist, though, it's not like that would change your assessment of abortion. I.e., you'd just find some other excuse to call me a "woman-hating fundie" besides the welfare distraction. Again, I haven't cited muh Jesus once to defend any of my positions either. I think you've said more about Jesus/religion/etc. than anyone in here as every single post you seem to bring it up.

Oh and, again, being anti-life is much easier and safer in terms of securing one's social standing. You're far more likely to face othering for being pro-life. So to the extent that having an opinion on this requires any degree of sacrifice, those who are pro-life typically require more. Simple consequence of living in a culture dominated by the leftist pseudo-religion.

 

[Marcus Tullius Cicero]

You're a hypocrite and Jesus would be hella pissed at you zealots.

What do you think the biblical reaction should be? Aside from supporting free healthcare and/or larger social safety nets.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I think the only thing I've said about welfare in this thread is that I wouldn't be opposed to state programs providing for those with severe mental/physical disabilities. Even if I claimed that I was a full-on communist, though, it's not like that would change your assessment of abortion. I.e., you'd just find some other excuse to call me a "woman-hating fundie" besides the welfare distraction. Again, I haven't cited muh Jesus once to defend any of my positions either. I think you've said more about Jesus/religion/etc. than anyone in here as every single post you seem to bring it up.

You have literally said you disagreed with welfare up thread. You don't give a fuck about the fetus once it's born, you just want women to be forced to have babies because it requires no effort on your part.

Oh and, again, being anti-life is much easier and safer in terms of securing one's social standing. You're far more likely to face othering for being pro-life. So to the extent that having an opinion on this requires any degree of sacrifice, those who are pro-life typically require more. Simple consequence of living in a culture dominated by the leftist pseudo-religion.

That's gotta be the stupidest thing you ever said, and that's saying a lot. Some people calling you a religious zealot (especially when you are one) on the internet is not nearly as bad as being forced to raise a kid for 18 years because some religious fundies decided to push their religious views onto you

What do you think the biblical reaction should be? Aside from supporting free healthcare and/or larger social safety nets.

Well, in the bible itself it says life starts at first breath of the baby, so....

But Jesus was the whole "care about others" thing, which the pro-life crowd doesn't do

 

[gang weeder]

What do you think the biblical reaction should be? Aside from supporting free healthcare and/or larger social safety nets.

He thinks the good Christian thing to do would be to mimic leftie atheists in every possible way, because clearly Jesus was a secular progressive.

 

[Marcus Tullius Cicero]

Well, in the bible itself it says life starts at first breath of the baby, so....

I'm not doubting you when you say this, but I'd like a verse for clarification please. I'm not the most astute scholar, so you might know something I don't.

But Jesus was the whole "care about others" thing, which the pro-life crowd doesn't do

What would be the proper way to care for someone? Other than through ways you've previously mentioned to me. And why does not supporting free healthcare/social safety nets mean the person doesn't care about others?

He thinks the good Christian thing to do would be to mimic leftie atheists in every possible way, because clearly Jesus was a secular progressive.

Perhaps, but I'd rather hear it from the horse's mouth.

 

[veri]

As opposed to murdering them, yes. As are you.

this confuses me so much. you pro-birthers have such rigid stances on abortion but don’t take a moment to think about the future implications that will have in society. you claim to be an “advocate for life” but it really boils down to forcing women to have children. after you back away from your cheeto dust and mountain dew marinated keyboard you don’t give a shit.

"You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone."

yeah unless you’re the fucking woman having to deal with the pregnancy. women forced to have children have to change their entire lives, spend money they don’t have on it, and give up their future goals and lifestyle, and spend hours of their time raising a child that they never wanted alone. no wonder pro birthers have this mindset, you never once stop to think about the already existing lives you’re trying to control. you can advocate to ban all abortions and at the end of the day you’re not affected at all. but the women you clearly despise are.

Oh and, again, being anti-life is much easier and safer in terms of securing one's social standing. You're far more likely to face othering for being pro-life. So to the extent that having an opinion on this requires any degree of sacrifice, those who are pro-life typically require more. Simple consequence of living in a culture dominated by the leftist pseudo-religion.

oh you poor soul, you’re so brave. what exactly are you sacrificing? the biggest “sacrifice” pro birthers have to make is typing out fake-emotional paragraphs about MUH POOR FETUSEs. you say all these shit because you know you’ll NEVER be in the position of the thousands of women genuinely affected by this issue. cry me a fucking river, your persecution complex is pathetic

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I'm not doubting you when you say this, but I'd like a verse for clarification please. I'm not the most astute scholar, so you might know something I don't.

Jesus specifically never mentioned the unborn, but did mention pregnant women and nursing women.

In Numbers 5:11-31, God punishes cheating women by aborting their fetuses:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%205%3A11-31&version=NIV

Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries"

What would be the proper way to care for someone? Other than through ways you've previously mentioned to me. And why does not supporting free healthcare/social safety nets mean the person doesn't care about others?

He doesn't care about the baby once it's born because it requires sacrifice on his part. Higher taxes to help pay for social programs like government funded healthcare, welfare programs, etc... His megachurch says those things are bad, even though Jesus was for them

He thinks the good Christian thing to do would be to mimic leftie atheists in every possible way, because clearly Jesus was a secular progressive.

Aww poor little religious fundie is upset that I point out he doesn't do what Jesus actually preached to do

 

[Cilleystring]

Didn't that nigga Jesus disappear for like 20 years partyin hard bangin bitches? Who knows how many bastards or abortions he had during those lost years. Dude was the alpha chad of his time

 

[Mark Antony]

i agree with you here, the AOC should
better accommodate teen relationships and account for age differences as well. i think the AOC should still be 18 though to prevent old creeps from trying to get with high schoolers though. but yeah, if a 19 year old and a 17 year old date there’s nothing really wrong with that, but if an 18 year old and a 40 year old date there’s definitely something sus there. basically when it comes to sex i think AOC needs to take the difference in age into account as well

I'm comfortable with this state of affairs if it means that teens stop having their lives ruined over absurd legal technicalities. And yes, I find the sus part tasteless as well.

how does it stunt development though? a 14 year old being legally allowed a relationship with someone twice their age doesn’t make them mature, it’s predatory. there’s a reason that old predators go for teenagers, cause they’re not matured mentally and are easier to manipulate

It's a combination of my cultural upbringing and anecdotal experience and isn't authoritative in the slightest. I slept with adult women as a young teenager and could not perceive it as being predatory on their part in the slightest. Moreover in Europe there is more due consideration for the circumstance of this intercourse, namely on whether both parties had known each others' ages. When I think of predators I imagine old men singling out youths and grooming or exploiting them for their own< perverted ends. IMO it's a far cry from some young people fucking older people during a party or for a casual intercourse, since these are victimless and consensual affairs. And I've no special insight on the minds of actual predators. They seem alien and disgusting to me.

 

[Marcus Tullius Cicero]

Jesus specifically never mentioned the unborn, but did mention pregnant women and nursing women.

I'm sure He did. Though, would a woman's decision to abort that fetus be something He would support?

In Numbers 5:11-31, God punishes cheating women by aborting their fetuses:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%205%3A11-31&version=NIV

I've done a bit of reading about this, and it seems much of it revolved around maintaining the morality of Israel and upholding the Law. Not that God would somehow support a woman's decision to personally abort her fetus, for whatever reason.

He doesn't care about the baby once it's born because it requires sacrifice on his part. Higher taxes to help pay for social programs like government funded healthcare, welfare programs, etc... His megachurch says those things are bad, even though Jesus was for them

I'll have to ask for verses on this as well. Unless you're taking something like charity to mean support for these things?

 

[Cilleystring]

I'm comfortable with this state of affairs if it means that teens stop having their lives ruined over absurd legal technicalities. And yes, I find the sus part tasteless as well.


It's a combination of my cultural upbringing and anecdotal experience and isn't authoritative in the slightest. I slept with adult women as a young teenager and could not perceive it as being predatory on their part in the slightest. Moreover in Europe there is more due consideration for the circumstance of this intercourse, namely on whether both parties had known each others' ages. When I think of predators I imagine old men singling out youths and grooming or exploiting them for their own< perverted ends. IMO it's a far cry from some young people fucking older people during a party or for a casual intercourse, since these are victimless and consensual affairs. And I've no special insight on the minds of actual predators. They seem alien and disgusting to me.

Dude if you were 14 sleeping with adults you were fucking groomed lmao

Though to be fair what young teenage boy wouldn't want to sleep with a hot older woman. That's precisely why it's the responsibility of the adult to not engage in sex with minors

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I'm sure He did. Though, would a woman's decision to abort that fetus be something He would support?

Most likely.

I've done a bit of reading about this, and it seems much of it revolved around maintaining the morality of Israel and upholding the Law. Not that God would somehow support a woman's decision to personally abort her fetus, for whatever reason.

He sure seemed to be willing to abort there, so I'd say he'd be fine with it

I'll have to ask for verses on this as well. Unless you're taking something like charity to mean support for these things?

Yes, government programs to help people. Welfare. You really think Jesus would be against welfare and government healthcare?

 

[Mothra1988]

i agree with you here, the AOC should
better accommodate teen relationships and account for age differences as well. i think the AOC should still be 18 though to prevent old creeps from trying to get with high schoolers though. but yeah, if a 19 year old and a 17 year old date there’s nothing really wrong with that, but if an 18 year old and a 40 year old date there’s definitely something sus there. basically when it comes to sex i think AOC needs to take the difference in age into account as well

how does it stunt development though? a 14 year old being legally allowed a relationship with someone twice their age doesn’t make them mature, it’s predatory. there’s a reason that old predators go for teenagers, cause they’re not matured mentally and are easier to manipulate

18 years old must be the cut off for age of majority even if you include qualifiers for 2 years younger or whatever. If you don't allow an 18 year old to make mistakes by hooking up with older guys, then all you other rights will be immediately uprooted and suddenly you'll need to be 30 years old to drive 40 years old to own a firearm. Overall, adults being infantilized is a problem. We shouldn't start making 20 year olds into children legally even if that's what Twitter wants becuase it's populated by childish retards who don't want responsibility for anything.

 

[Freya]

Let the record show SSJ_Ness does not find incest pedo rape gross

 

[snailslime]

even if Jesus was against abortion (he wasnt), why does it matter? not everyone is christian

 

[Lurker]

even if Jesus was against abortion (he wasnt), why does it matter? not everyone is christian

a reminder to our religious friends

LITERALLY NO ONE CARES WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. THE UNITED STATES IS A SECULAR NATION AND WE HAVE A SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

alrighty, i'm sure that'll dissuade any more religious zealots from coming into this thread. my job is done.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

@Eris!, aka @FEETLOAF, aka @SSj_Ness has apparently been threadbanned

 

[NoTimeToLose]

The QTard way is to accuse everyone who isn't a Republican of being a pedo or groomer

Blegh regular amerimutt political sperging.

 

[veri]

It's a combination of my cultural upbringing and anecdotal experience and isn't authoritative in the slightest. I slept with adult women as a young teenager and could not perceive it as being predatory on their part in the slightest.

i’m going to have to disagree with you here due to my anecdotal experience. imo a grown adult sleeping with teenagers has ulterior motives, there’s no reason why they can’t date someone their own age other than being mentally immature or just a straight up creep

 

[Mark Antony]

i’m going to have to disagree with you here due to my anecdotal experience. imo a grown adult sleeping with teenagers has ulterior motives, there’s no reason why they can’t date someone their own age other than being mentally immature or just a straight up creep

Those who target teenagers obviously have issues. But plenty have slept with them and their own peers or older women as well. In that case it's got little to do with maturity or creepiness but simple sexual interest. You can find it morally repugnant, support punitive measures and be hostile towards it but at its core it's just part of the messiness of human sexuality. That said I suspect your own experience is different from mine, so I will not press this conversation further if you don't want me to.

@Eris!, aka @FEETLOAF, aka @SSj_Ness has apparently been threadbanned aborted.

FTFY.