The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

Not Really Here said:
You mean how they don't get repeated chances, they just get locked up?
The debt imprisonment that has been illegal for over a century?
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I'm assuming you're talking about them getting put in prison because of not paying child support, right?
 
Also, it occured to me, and I am an actual xx, btw, is that even if women have to suffer through normal pregnancy, that is no different when men give up contol of their lives when they creampie you. You both made your choices. Suck it up, both of you. If the kid has six eyes and no brain, yeet it, but I am talking only about two people willingly (sorry, sex has risk and you BOTH chose to take them) producing a pregnancy that is normal and healthy. I just do not see the reason to end it simply because it may cramp your social life or you might need to get a real job. Real medical reasons, rape, incest, sure, but otherwise, actions have consequences.
 
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Zwiebelkönigin said:
Also, it occured to me, and I am an actual xx, btw, is that even if women have to suffer through normal pregnancy, that is no different when men give up contol of their lives when they creampie you. You both made your choices. Suck it up, both of you. If the kid has six eyes and no brain, yeet it, but I am talking only about two people willingly (sorry, sex has risk and you BOTH chose to take them) producing a pregnancy that is normal and healthy. I just do not see the reason to end it simply because it may cramp your social life your you might need to get a real job. Real medical reasons, sure, but otherwise, actions have consequences.
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Shut up, the wahmens must be protected because they are children without moral agency.
 
Not Really Here said:
Equality with the current state of men would be no bodily autonomy.
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I would say biology is a bitch, but also if some woman decides for the life of a retard despite the father's wishes, his paternal rights terminate upon birth in favor of the father and visa versa. She will carry it if he wants it, but it is his legal problem then when it is born.

I think personally, men give up autonomy at ejaculation and women at a positive pregnancy test. Both are avoidable in the wrong person, we just choose to believe they are not and that is bullshit on both sides.



Erischan said:
Things that are different should not be made equal.
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Women and men are often not equal, however we have equal responsibility to the lives we create, no matter what.
 
Zwiebelkönigin said:
I would say biology is a bitch, but also if some woman decides for the life of a retard despite the father's wishes, his paternal rights terminate upon birth in favor of the father and visa versa. She will carry it if he wants it, but it is his legal problem then when it is born.

I think personally, men give up autonomy at ejaculation and women at a positive pregnancy test. Both are avoidable in the wrong person, we just choose to believe they are not and that is bullshit on both sides.
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I know you have been programmed into thinking exclusively of reproduction, but my point is that women are granted special rights that don't exist in any circumstance other than abortion.
 
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Not Really Here said:
I know you have been programmed into thinking exclusively of reproduction, but my point is that women are granted special rights that don't exist in any circumstance other than abortion.
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That is a whole other thread I will entertain. I mean, even many years ago I was horrified by GI Jane. Women have no place in the elite military groups as par for course. Women can and will fight, no question, I would too, when forced, but we are the last lines of defence. Women often chose death over that when their men failed. Women are not equal always to men or men to women, but fact is, we need each other no matter how much the globohomo agenda says otherwise.

This is a million years OT, but why are men far more accepting of lesbianism than being a faggot? Can address this in another thread, but most women shrug lesbianism off regardless if they had an opinion or not either way. Most men did too.

This discordance has always fascinated me because gays have always existed and it has only really been men that reinforced the no faggotry rule.
 
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Zwiebelkönigin said:
I am not willing to disown my children and grandchildren over a lapse in judgment. However, I have let known my disapproval and disappointment. Strange as it sounds in today's hedonism and narcissism or even considering the treatment of sons and daughter in laws in the past, I want my children to bring home good son and daughter in laws I will gladly adopt as my own. I have a very overarching interest in my children not being woketarded. It is good for me and my legacy, even as a woman.
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One of the stupidest ideas in modern society is the idea that the parental relationship ends at 18, and from then on you're just two equal adults. It's silly. You're their parent until the day they die and you should continue parenting, guiding, and controlling them their entire lives.

Zero Day Defense said:
Actually...
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The degree to which these people don't read anything they reply to is actually shocking.

Zwiebelkönigin said:
I would say biology is a bitch, but also if some woman decides for the life of a retard despite the father's wishes, his paternal rights terminate upon birth in favor of the father and visa versa. She will carry it if he wants it, but it is his legal problem then when it is born.

I think personally, men give up autonomy at ejaculation and women at a positive pregnancy test. Both are avoidable in the wrong person, we just choose to believe they are not and that is bullshit on both sides.
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Neither of them have "bodily autonomy" in the first place so neither of them give it up. "The right to bodily autonomy," is not a thing.
They're not "giving up autonomy." They're taking on a responsibility and a set of obligations.

Zwiebelkönigin said:
Women and men are often not equal, however we have equal responsibility to the lives we create, no matter what.
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No, not really. Fathers certainly have a responsibility to their children but not in the same way that mothers do.
Zwiebelkönigin said:
This is a million years OT, but why are men far more accepting of lesbianism than being a faggot? Can address this in another thread, but most women shrug lesbianism off regardless if they had an opinion or not either way. Most men did too.
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Because the lesbianism we don't look down on is fem+fem. No one is violating their nature so no one is upset. Bulldykes are just as loathed as effeminate faggots, and for the exact same reason. People are deeply offended by something violating its nature.

Not Really Here said:
It would be banned.
Men don't get repeated chances to avoid responsibility. "You fucked up now deal with it."
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Yeah. If it was a men's issue it would just be "It's murder. Murder is wrong." No one would pretend to see nuance and complexity where there isn't any like they do today.
 
Zwiebelkönigin said:
That is a whole other thread I will entertain. I mean, even many years ago I was horrified by GI Jane. Women have no place in the elite military groups as par for course. Women can and will fight, no question, I would too, when forced, but we are the last lines of defence. Women often chose death over that when their men failed. Women are not equal always to men or men to women, but fact is, we need each other no matter how much the globohomo agenda says otherwise.

This is a million years OT, but why are men far more accepting of lesbianism than being a faggot? Can address this in another thread, but most women shrug lesbianism off regardless if they had an opinion or not either way. Most men did too.
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Because heterosexual men know that pussy is delicious and women are hot, how could a guy get mad at women who feel he same way? But lesbian domestic violence rates are nutty.

Heterosexual men also know there's nothing sexually attractive about a mans hairy asshole, and people who think that it is attractive are fundamentally twisted.
 
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Not Really Here said:
Because heterosexual men know that pussy is delicious and women are hot, how could a guy get mad at women who feel he same way? But lesbian domestic violence rates are nutty.

Heterosexual men also know there's nothing sexually attractive about a mans hairy asshole, and people who think that it is attractive are fundamentally twisted.
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I think all women are bi. Everyone agrees women are hot.
 
Not Really Here said:
Because heterosexual men know that pussy is delicious and women are hot, how could a guy get mad at women who feel he same way? But lesbian domestic violence rates are nutty.

Heterosexual men also know there's nothing sexually attractive about a mans hairy asshole, and people who think that it is attractive are fundamentally twisted.
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Unless, I was trapped indefinitely on the Island of Lesbos, I have no interest in fucking other women. So that was not why I asked this. Rather it was a weird double standard that existed throughout history. Even overt dykeism was rarely taken seriously by men or women, even when they might have been sexual predators. They may comment on it , but unless you really pissed people off, they rarely made as huge of an issue as some dude fucking another. And they were the men making the rules. I do not think they were all jacking it to the scissoring. But this is all another thread 9000%.
 
Zwiebelkönigin said:
Rather it was a weird double standard that existed throughout history.
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Single standards are weirder than double standards. I don't know why you're confused that people treat different things differently.

Anyway, is abortion murder?
 
Read a fun article today about how clinics are now essentially able to mail out a pair of pills that, if taken in the first 10 weeks of a pregnancy, safely terminate the pregnancy then and there essentially without any interaction between the clinician and the purchaser, for around $70-80 or something. They're also apparently fairly easy to produce, far as I can tell.

I know he doesn't really do the responding thing, but you'd best ask space daddy to bring in the big guns as this shit proliferates.
 
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Rich Evans Apologist said:
Read a fun article today about how clinics are now essentially able to mail out a pair of pills that, if taken in the first 10 weeks of a pregnancy, safely terminate the pregnancy then and there essentially without any interaction between the clinician and the purchaser, for around $70-80 or something. They're also apparently fairly easy to produce, far as I can tell.

I know he doesn't really do the responding thing, but you'd best ask space daddy to bring in the big guns as this shit proliferates.
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Same as the over the counter "plan B", if I recall correctly it's essentially a mega dose of the normal birth control hormones.

I don't really know if handing out hormones like that is a very good idea, but I can't be bothered to care much.
 
Erischan said:
I strongly recommend all pro-lifers to familiarize themselves with the construction of pipe bombs.
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If murdering the murderer is justified, is it then justified to murder the pro-lifer with the pipe bomb? Does it become justified after the pipe bomb is thrown?


Not Really Here said:
Same as the over the counter "plan B", if I recall correctly it's essentially a mega dose of the normal birth control hormones.

I don't really know if handing out hormones like that is a very good idea, but I can't be bothered to care much.
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It's similar, yeah. My impression is that it covers a wider range than does the over-the-counter version. This is relevant in that you can speed it into areas in which it is otherwise difficult to get the early treatments (or any at all), which is a part of why the pro-lifers seem to want the supreme court to make a ruling on borshun shit sent through the mail. SCOTUS hasn't wanted to rule on borshun or 2nd amendment cases for a long while, and it's somewhat dubious if even an ostensibly 6-3 court would try to.
 
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