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Try to get a sperm cell to implant onto uterine lining, then, and see if the sperm cell by itself develops into a human being. Or, do the same with an unfertilized egg cell.
In reality, we're talking about abortion irrespective of legality because we're talking about abortion itself, never mind that less women will resort to abortion if it's made largely illegal because it means that they're putting themselves at greater risk by practitioners who aren't keen on following the laws.
Where did you get this "wisdom" from? I heard something like this-- apparently it came from a study that entirely involved prostitutes, who already live on the outskirts of the law?
You couldn't possibly cope harder. "Uhhhh, pregnancies are hard!" And somehow we manage millions of births yearly, and managed millions of births on a yearly basis before abortion became mainstream, before the idea of killing your child in utero became as acceptable a thought as it is now (after the time that it was acceptable, but trifles).
Instead of talking about how we could alleviate any suffering of pregnant women without turning to abortion (e.g. promoting stable family structures so there's someone to provide while the woman is pregnant, providing additional services on the state and/or local level especially for not-well-to-do pregnant women, improving the institutions of adoption and group homes for when an adoption can't be immediately arranged), you use this reality as a reason for why women must be able to kill their children before they get to see the light of day.
"I believe we as a society should be more wary of resorting to abortion as a means of dealing with pregnancy given that the fetus is in fact ontologically a human being and should be given human consideration."
"You just believe that women are objects, and you don't care about women's feelings or that they get hurt during pregnancy and labor."
"I recognize that pregnancy and labor are difficult, but we're talking about human lives, which easily outweigh all those discomforts. And if you won't wish to be pregnant such that you potentially suffer any of these hardships, consider not having sex."
"YOU'RE A MISOGYNIST!"
Nobody cares, or even talks about how in most countries men are liable to any draft that automatically designates them cannon fodder, and unlike women (in the case of countries where they allow women to stick their toes in the door, because God knows it's logistically impossible for them to be conscripted like men, because who the hell is going to fling their entire population at the enemy unless they're at the end of their rope and they can't do otherwise), they can't ever take pregnancy as an out.
Imagine being a young male that couldn't or didn't dodge the Vietnam War draft, being flown out into a jungle with funny-talking trees because some people halfway across the world were doing things that your country were getting jittery about. Imagine developing a lifelong mental disorder barely anyone knows anything about because you narrowly avoided getting bumped on several occasions by what amounted to a conga line of muggers with military gear who didn't know nor care about your own rules of engagement-- or, alternatively, imagine getting shot down and lost with no comrades around and at best having a kit that, while equipped with a radio to call for help, was largely meant to help you cope with almost certain demise. Or--or-- imagine spinning a roulette wheel of chronic illnesses because you inadvertently breathed in a tactical pesticide deployed by your own government, and having a one percent chance of getting compensation for an issue they caused.
Nobody talks about those laws directly governing male bodies as units of warpower, or the consequences of said laws. Nobody talks about how our society regularly regards men as disposable. Not even the men, because that's what we do. That's what's expected of us. That's what we even largely want to do-- protect the women and children of our societies. That's our responsibility as men, whether we're pumping the shotgun or readying the crowbar to bump off an intruder or getting turned into mincemeat in a foreign land. I daresay, that's what we're evolved to do.
Meanwhile, we also allow some women to whinge about how hard pregnancy is and how they should be allowed to kill their children if at any point they decide that they don't consent to taking care of their own flesh and blood, and we'll be nagged at and called misogynists if we rightfully drop a deuce at the thought that this person could in fact decide to carry a child to term, give birth to that child, and then decide that they "don't consent" to taking care of that child by the same exact applicable logic.
Do you even think a father can get away with that? Just saying that he "doesn't consent" to taking care of the child his wife or girlfriend or whoever is bearing? Never mind that he'll rightfully be considered scum by society as a whole-- if the woman ever decided to go after him for child support, she would most certainly get a cut of any paycheck he gets under penalty of imprisonment even though that would be the only involvement he would ever have with the woman and child, and the child would absolutely not be any better or worse for it. And what could someone even say? That this shouldn't happen? That the father shouldn't be contributing to the welfare of his own flesh and blood, talk less of actually being there for him? Somehow, despite not even giving birth to the child ourselves, we can't definitively abdicate our responsibilities in the same way a woman can by herself go to an abortion clinic and have the abortion performed because of any reason, justified or not.
I've had it with this puerile "you just hate women!" retort-- it's compressed schizophrenia spawned from the eaten-up brains of sex-addled millennials and zoomers that never grew up past 14, along with their sycophants. It's one thing to say "this person is in a tough position in their life and our society has been developed such that the"best" option for them is to kill their child"-- it's absolute lunacy, however, to make arguments like "I won't nurture my own flesh and blood in my womb because I didn't consent for it to be there even though you totally did because you caused his conception by willingly doing the one thing that would cause that" or to say things like "I would drink hard enough to either kill my baby or ensure its being is so FUBAR that it dies minutes after birth because I'm just so mentally ill even though I can catch myself recognizing that this is egregiously fucked!" is at the height of lunacy.
An even better analogy is doing all of that after you invited the guy into your home without him asking and told him to make himself at home.
This is the statement that really makes me miss the
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