The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Freya]

You retards can quote me with your "gotchas" all you want, but one poorly worded definition doesn't change the scientific fact that it's not considered an infant until it's born. It's an embryo until Week 9, then a fetus until it's born.

it's funny watching them crack after awhile and they cease the moralfagging and start talking about "women taking responsibility for their actions"

 

[Freya]

Plot twist: You're angry at men because you're too insufferable to get laid.

men will fuck any warm, wet hole they can. if that wasn't true this thread wouldn't even exist in the first place

 

[Nom Carver]

men will fuck any warm, wet hole they can. if that wasn't true this thread wouldn't even exist in the first place

You can't make this shit up. First you completely ignore the comeback I made in order to save face

Because you asked me what my thoughts on abortion are. So I told you why I don't like abortion beyond the philosophical aspects of it. What I believe it leads to, and what I believe what it leads to then means for society and people.

This is how a debate works.

And then you come back pretty much saying "All of this is men's faults! Abortion is 100% not the result of a woman's mistakes" I've said it once and I'll say it again. If anyone who isn't braindead wants to take the liberty to argue pro-choice on this thread, I offer now as the time to pitch in.

Besides, if men were willing to fuck absolutely anything, then why are there men here arguing against abortion and the casualization of sex? I'm pretty sure not even Hollywood Hulk Hogan has said such a poorly thought out sentence.

 

[Lemmingwise]

You retards can quote me with your "gotchas" all you want, but one poorly worded definition doesn't change the scientific fact that it's not considered an infant until it's born. It's an embryo until Week 9, then a fetus until it's born.

Why is the murder of a pregnant woman considered a double homicide?

Instead of say, murder and destruction of property (muh clump of cells)?

It obviously isn't as simple as you (or me too, I suppose) would want it to be.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

I've said it once and I'll say it again. If anyone who isn't braindead wants to take the liberty to argue pro-choice on this thread

What do you mean? Hysterical vagina-havers are the best at arguing literally any point at all.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

You retards can quote me with your "gotchas" all you want, but one poorly worded definition doesn't change the scientific fact that it's not considered an infant until it's born.

You're switching up the words you employed without acknowledging the change while relying on an alleged exactness (i.e. an infant would also be a type of baby, especially by the definition you cited) in order to make your point.

You have no idea how bad this looks, do you?

 

[The Jokester]

Facts over feelings.

My period no longer looks like that scene from The Shining. I'll keep taking my pill, thanks.

Because he can't get laid. None of these tards can.

You retards can quote me with your "gotchas" all you want, but one poorly worded definition doesn't change the scientific fact that it's not considered an infant until it's born. It's an embryo until Week 9, then a fetus until it's born.

Dude, MY periods were like a vampire's banquet. It came out like jam it was so thick. But now I've naturally calmed it down by losing weight. You don't need a fucking pill. It's literally shrinking a virtual part of your brain. Instead of getting pissy, maybe listen to someone who has been through it themselves. If you want lighter periods, lose weight and get your thyroid checked and eat a balanced clean diet

 

[Gamergirl Cleanup Crew]

Principled philosophical arguments about what constitutes human life are pointless

The only relevant question is whether or not society would be better off if abortion was outlawed.

While I appreciate your attempt to outlaw nigger babies, I think murdering children supercedes my racism.

 

[Lemmingwise]

men will fuck any warm, wet hole they can.

Seems a bit of an odd critique of men from someone who's primary insult is "incel".

 

[Johan Schmidt]

While I appreciate your attempt to outlaw nigger babies, I think murdering children supercedes my racism.

Well hold on now, let's not be too hasty here. It doesn't count if the origin of the baby wasn't human does it?

it's funny watching them crack after awhile and they cease the moralfagging and start talking about "women taking responsibility for their actions"

That's...that's still moralfagging.

Also: Moralfagging. Ah yes, how horrific? Men with some basic principles like 'Maybe lots of unprotected casual sex is bad' and 'Killing babies is bad.' and 'Cause and effect' which, now that I think about it, isn't really a moral stance, but more of an observation that it literally takes two people to make a baby?

Also, I find the whole 'Incel!' thing pretty telling, especially when combined with the 'Men are all horndogs!' narrative from the discountmen in the thread. It reminds me of like, schoolyard names, or the stuff that shitty stand up comedians would do as a heckle. It's not the sort of thing functional, actual women say because they don't act like CHUDs on kiwifarms. Kiwifarms is a centre for autistic men.

So far the debate has been 'Killing babies is bad' and a response that can be boiled down to various fleeing retreats to the effect of 'They're not babies!' followed by 'Okay so they are babies, but women feel bad having them!' followed by 'Okay so they are babies and I just like seeing them dead!'. It's the sort of vulgar shock jockey stuff that broken rape victims, or obese lesbians come out with, not functional women. I keep posting the fem wojack, but this is probably more accurate.


Modern feminism has produced not empowered women, but rather a gamut of kinda shit men.

 

[Android raptor]

"No officer! I didn't kill that man. It's his fault he was sitting in the chair I doused in gasoline after I tied him down to it!"

More like it's his fault he broke into my house and was threatening my life.

Oh oh oh, oh here we go. You've just reminded me that there has been evidence that the horomone centre in the brain shrinks when using it. Not only does this increase depression and anger, but it makes women pick more feminine men and it makes women less naturing. You might want to get off that shit. It's literally causing you brain damage.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/birth-control-brain-hypothalamus.html

And yes, I know some women use it to regulate their horomes. But this shit is so bad for them. Let me tell you, I'm a chick with horomone imbalances, I know what I'm talking about. As much as some doctors will try and push this poison on you. Women can regain proper horomone function with a clean diet and weight loss.

If you loose enough weight to stop menstruating you're severely underweight. Like ana-chan underweight. I'll stick with my IUD. No periods without being an ana-chan. Thanks.

Wild how ppl itt are so butthurt about one of the only things proven to reduce abortion rates. You'd think prolifers would be the first people pushing for birth control and comprehensive sex ed considering those are the only things that actually reduce the number of abortions happening.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

More like it's his fault he broke into my house and was threatening my life.

If you loose enough weight to stop menstruating you're severely underweight. I'll stick with my IUD. Thanks.

Wild how ppl itt are so butthurt about one of the only things proven to reduce abortion rates. You'd think prolifers would be the first people pushing for birth control and comprehensive sex ed considering those are the only things that actually reduce the number of abortions happening.

I'm fine with comprehensive sex education; and of comprehensive support for birth control. Hell I'm a supporter of socialised healthcare to provide that service. I legit don't understand the dislike of birth control. Birth control doesn't seem to look like it 'causes' promiscuity. It's a safety net. I think I said so in my spergpost?

If people are going to fuck, then they're going to fuck. Sexual promiscuity is the sort of behaviour you try and address by good upbringing and making sure your sons and daughters aren't easy, and are responsible enough to go and get birth control. Unless you have a latex allergy, you shouldn't be barebacking random women, or even your girlfriend actually. Everyone knows how babies are made, everyone knows condoms stop babies being made 99% of the time.

Female hormonal birth control isn't great for you, but neither is literally any medicine. It's a substance that is tailored to mess with your body in a way that it wouldn't naturally be doing. Guys should just buy condoms and be careful. It's a failure of men to not take basic precautions.

EDIT: Just noticed the menstrual comment. Your cycle can change as your weight does, and the flow itself can change as a result of that cycle change, or a diet change, or stress, etc.

But if you have stopped menstruating entirely, and it's gone on for a while go see a gynecologist. Like for real; your uterine system is an important part of your body, and things can and do go wrong with it all the time for lots of women. One of the easiest types of illnesses to cure are the ones you catch onto early.

 

[Android raptor]

EDIT: Just noticed the menstrual comment. Your cycle can change as your weight does, and the flow itself can change as a result of that cycle change, or a diet change, or stress, etc.

But if you have stopped menstruating entirely, and it's gone on for a while go see a gynecologist. Like for real; your uterine system is an important part of your body, and things can and do go wrong with it all the time for lots of women. One of the easiest types of illnesses to cure are the ones you catch onto early.

Why do you think I have the IUD. Seriously, best 130 bux I've ever spent. No more periods and a much lower risk of pregnancy.

Suppressing periods with birth control is pretty safe. Hell for some women it's probably safer than having them.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

Why do you think I have the IUD. Seriously, best 130 bux I've ever spent. No more periods and a much lower risk of pregnancy.

Suppressing periods with birth control is pretty safe. Hell for some women it's probably safer than having them.

Chemically adjusting your hormone levels is not 'safe'. There is a difference between 'No immediate consequences' and 'safe'. Safe is a positive state in medicine, at best it's neutral, at worse unknown. There are women only now entering menopause from age since the pill became widely adopted. We need more time to properly look into the long term effects of the pill, long term human trials (that's you, your mothers, sisters, aunts and daughters by the way.) are only producing large amounts of data very recently. It'll take time to before we have good puberty - menopause timescale data to look over.

Don't get me wrong; it's definitely a calculated risk and I'd never tell a patient to not get the pill if they wanted it and there were no immediate dangers for her. But it's not 'safe'. It was put out and made widely available as a produce of the ethics and politics of the time (then and now) rather than because it's safe. No different to plastic bottles, or sildenafil. Hell, even using something as simple as a mild muscle relaxant long term can cause the stomach lining to become destroyed over 20-30 year timeframes. Ironically doing biomedicine has made me abhor most medicines. My flatmate popped an antacid yesterday and I winced on the inside.

EDIT: Holy shit you just reminded me, one of my friends got her implant (IUD) a few days back and was making us feel it (literally 'Wanna touch my tube!' "No" 'Yeah you do, touch it') and she was convinced it didn't stop her period, or alter her hormones, or do anything but magically prevent pregnancy. Either her doctor fucked up bad when explaining things to her, or she's a div. Considering she didn't know you couldn't microwave metal, I'm concerned it's the latter.

 

[The Jokester]

More like it's his fault he broke into my house and was threatening my life.

If you loose enough weight to stop menstruating you're severely underweight. Like ana-chan underweight. I'll stick with my IUD. No periods without being an ana-chan. Thanks.

Wild how ppl itt are so butthurt about one of the only things proven to reduce abortion rates. You'd think prolifers would be the first people pushing for birth control and comprehensive sex ed considering those are the only things that actually reduce the number of abortions happening.

Lmao. Have you been reading the thread? I have said I would be up for free birth control. It was literally a few pages ago. But there is evidence that the pill fucks with you. You can't just turn off your natural horomones and expect to be fine

Haha. You can improve your menstrual schedule being regulating your weight. The lady said she has horrific periods and that is linked to health problems that can be solved by losing weight. Weight massively fucks up a woman's cycle because fat triggers the release of estrogen. Why do you think thay ALR and Chantal, both massive fatties have both had their wombs removed? Why do you think that the best treatment for horomone related issues such as endo and PCOS is weight loss. The reason why women with PCOS have Metaformin is because they have too much insulin in their blood stream

 

[Johan Schmidt]

I mean; heavy obesity fucks with you at all times. You essentially exist in a state of low level inflammation when you're obese. Inflammation fucks you up real bad. You can get a new heart, you can control your blood sugars and you can even filter your blood.

But system wide inflammation will carve years off of your life, increase the cancer risk and cause organ failure pretty dammed fast.

 

[Android raptor]

Lmao. Have you been reading the thread? I have said I would be up for free birth control. It was literally a few pages ago. But there is evidence that the pill fucks with you. You can't just turn off your natural horomones and expect to be fine

Haha. You can improve your menstrual schedule being regulating your weight. The lady said she has horrific periods and that is linked to health problems that can be solved by losing weight. Weight massively fucks up a woman's cycle because fat triggers the release of estrogen. Why do you think thay ALR and Chantal, both massive fatties have both had their wombs removed? Why do you think that the best treatment for horomone related issues such as endo and PCOS is weight loss. The reason why women with PCOS have Metaformin is because they have too much insulin in their blood stream

I'm not overweight. And like I said, the only way you can eliminate it with weight loss is by being dangerously underweight. I'll stick with the IUD.

The anti-birth control shit sounds like the shit antivaxers say about vaccines.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

I'm not overweight. And like I said, the only way you can eliminate it with weight loss is by being dangerously underweight. I'll stick with the IUD.

The anti-birth control shit sounds like the shit antivaxers say about vaccines.

Do you mean actual antivaxxers who are like 'They put mercury in the vaccines!!' or the more recent ones which are like 'I don't like being the subject of medical experiment'.

Because I have significantly more sympathy for the latter than the ones that think ethyl and methyl are the same thing.

 

[Android raptor]

Do you mean actual antivaxxers who are like 'They put mercury in the vaccines!!' or the more recent ones which are like 'I don't like being the subject of medical experiment'.

Because I have significantly more sympathy for the latter than the ones that think ethyl and methyl are the same thing.

Whichever ones insist vaccines are "unnatural" and thus oh so scary.

Even if birth control did routinely lead to serious side effects down the road I'll take that over monthly genital hemmorage and all the shit that comes with it. I was on anti-psychotics unnecessarily as a kid, I highly doubt a little birth control could even begin to compare to that in terms of meds that can potentially fuck you up. Pretty sure I've been on lithium too.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

Ah, you mean actual retards then. Fair enough.

Also...I...I'm genuinely really sorry, but when I read you were on anti psychotics I literally laughed. I'm sorry, but pauljosephwatsonimaginemyshock.jpeg. It's not actually funny, but it is kinda funny. From the way you post you seem genuinely disgusted in your own body and femininity; which is awful. But does fit. You remind me of a friend of mine at university who basically has the same talking points as you, was also on anti-psychotics when she was younger and also hates children.

I tried editing my other post but it would nae let me, so see below as well.

Also Android raptor seems to be talking about eliminating periods entirely, whereas The Jokester is talking about reducing the heaviness of the flow, or making the cycle more manageable. You can do the latter through weight loss and healthy living; you cannot eliminate your period with weight loss unless you are malnourished. You two seem to be talking past each other a little here.

Birth control is the only way to eliminate your period (short of being pregnant) that doesn't require you to put your body in a state where it is conserving as much energy as it can. But you can make your period easier, and more regular with healthy living and exercise. Most things in life can be made easier and better with regular exercise and good diet actually.

EDIT: I tried quoting you, and Jokester and it literally broke my browser for some reason. Weird.