The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[MirnaMinkoff]

Direct back to my earlier post. You’ve had multiple Pro life/Christians on this thread disagree with what these trash parents are doing. Why? Because we understand context. It’s not that hard to get.

The majority of people who get abortions aren’t people who have Frankenstein babies growing within them. Hartley Hooligan potatoes are as rare as Willy Wonka Golden Tickets - they’re not a mass produced item. To think that aborting a healthy baby is the same thing as aborting a baby that will have no brain requires you to make a HUGE leap. The potential suffering and hardships the baby may have going forward in life plays a large role in how people consider the situation - why do pro abortion people keep conveniently ignoring this? As I said before it’s not hard to get.

As another user said already - we’re not here to fill the thread with pro abortion or anti abortion posts. We’re here to talk about what piles of shit these parents are. Let’s stick to that.

Ironically the biggest anti-abortion crusades for many years were against “partial birth abortions” or late term abortions which in fact were almost always potato, or severely fucked up, but wanted pregnancies. While women have early abortions of healthy babies all the time, women seeking abortions after 20 weeks are usually women who’s 18 week anatomy scans revealed some horrible issue.

Sometimes the issue was revealed at 18 weeks but they wait for more growth hoping it may not be that bad or to have the Dx 100% confirmed. Then making arrangements and trying to come up with money and travel for the procedure added more weeks.

The pro-life movement has been trying to force women to have potato babies by making late term abortions so incredibly taboo and that doctors are terrified to perform due to protests and getting killed. But ironically these doctors performing later term abortions would mostly be ending non-viable fetuses, or babies with no chance of any quality of life - not fetuses that could become perfectly healthy kids.

The biggest problem has been that many extremely non-viable or no quality of life issues can only be detected via ultrasound well into the second trimester.

The worst thing was the pro-life movement was quite deceptive about the issue of late term abortions. They pushed the idea that these procedures were simply women who decided they didn’t want a baby far into pregnancy instead of admitting the vast majority of late term abortions were wanted pregnancies that a terminal or severe anomalies were discovered and only then did the mother’s decide to seek an abortion.

It is also a big reason the pro-life movement is so keen on pushing these babies as miracles - because the alternative is to say abortion in certain circumstances is acceptable and their black and white stance on the subject doesn’t allow for that exception. (Much like many pro-life ppl do not believe incest, rape or endangering the mother’s life should be exceptions, whereas some do.)

Today in the USA most women who only discover after 20 plus weeks that they have a potato baby don’t have the option of abortion unless they have quite a bit of money and ability to travel. (The procedures cost about $15-20k) So the pro-life movement has certainly ensured carrying non-viable babies is the only option for most women if the issue is only detected late in the pregnancy. (For instance anencephaly is detected very early, whereas microcephaly many times isn’t detected until past 20 weeks because the lack of head growth is the biggest marker)

 

[Umaibae]

Direct back to my earlier post. You’ve had multiple Pro life/Christians on this thread disagree with what these trash parents are doing. Why? Because we understand context. It’s not that hard to get.

The majority of people who get abortions aren’t people who have Frankenstein babies growing within them. Hartley Hooligan potatoes are as rare as Willy Wonka Golden Tickets - they’re not a mass produced item. To think that aborting a healthy baby is the same thing as aborting a baby that will have no brain requires you to make a HUGE leap. The potential suffering and hardships the baby may have going forward in life plays a large role in how people consider the situation - why do pro abortion people keep conveniently ignoring this? As I said before it’s not hard to get.

As another user said already - we’re not here to fill the thread with pro abortion or anti abortion posts. We’re here to talk about what piles of shit these parents are. Let’s stick to that.

You know what’s actually not “hard to get”? The fact that what someone chooses to do with their pregnancy is none of your fucking business.

When lawmakers and outside parties begin inserting themselves into what is a very personal and painful decision, we end up with more and more tard babies clogging up Tard Baby General because people are guilted into changing their decision because they’re afraid of being shamed, ridiculed, told they’re going to hell etc. by people who should just mind their own business to begin with.

Easier access to abortion means less shame around the procedure, which means more people with deformed and diseased fetuses will seek out the procedure without shame.

 

[tacosauces]

The potential 'suffering and hardships' or whether or not healthy babies are aborted is not the issue. I'm talking about whether or not abortion falls under the Biblical definition of 'murder.'

If it is, then ending a potato baby's life is considered murder. If it isn't, then even healthy babies can be aborted without it being considered murder.

Can we get back to talking about tard babies or nah

 

[Freya]

what if instead of murdering your baby you just went to church

Go back to your cringe ass e-christian twitter account

 

[Android raptor]

I've also read accounts of people who had super late term abortions where they were ok if the kid was just disabled, but then right at the very end it became clear that the issues were severe enough to be incompatible with life. That's why they got an abortion so late, because if there was hope the kid might have some quality of life they wanted to continue the pregnancy and only wanted to abort when it was detected that there was no chance of that.

It sounds like some conditions can be detected pretty early, but unfortunately some aren't detected until pretty late. I'd imagine stuff that varies in severity also presents a challenge, especially with conditions that range from livable disability to dead.

Not all prolifers are against abortion for medical conditions, but enough are that it's a problem. Late term abortions are extremely difficult if not impossible for many people to get, terror attacks like the murder of Dr. Tiller are a thing, major groups like March for Life are openly pushing for women to be forced to gestate fucked up fetuses, etc. And hell, in some places it's straight up banned, like what Poland did recently.

Prolifers that think abortion should be permitted for fetal abnormality have some housekeeping to do.

EDIT: off topic, but I had the thought that I wonder how many of the very few late term abortions that aren't due to medical shit are situations like a child who was molested and impregnated and didn't understand what was happening until late or was too afraid/ashamed to tell anyone until late on? I know overall most abortions arent due to rape or medical shit, but that's also almost entirely abortions that happen very early on. Since late term abortions are such an extremely difficult thing to obtain I'd imagine the few that aren't due to medical problems still have some kind of really serious fucked up circumstances. It's definitely not a procedure anyone is getting for shits and giggles.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

Go back to your cringe ass e-christian twitter account

Pretty sure the church doesn't give a fuck about abortion now anyway. I've been to my local a few times and it's Pozzed out the arse. All they talk about is 'love god, everyone welcome, no judgement at all, for anything, ever.'

If you're gonna sit through the boring as fuck litanies, and eat the nasty cracker and drink the Tesco own brand 5.99 box wine there should at least be some fun gay bashing, or stoning community events.

No wonder the church attendance is falling, I'd turn up more if every now and again we got to roast some heretics at the stake. Shame really.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

You know what’s actually not “hard to get”? The fact that what someone chooses to do with their pregnancy is none of your fucking business.

You know what's actually not ”hard to get”? The fact that life begins at conception.

(negrate me if you want, but if you want to start an autistic slapfight on abortion I'll gladly take part. Just, for the sake of this thread, continue your pro-abortion crusade somewhere else so that we can point and laugh at delusional parents.)

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I think that every pro-lifer should go and adopt a baby, cause it's easy to advocate for letting that baby be born if it's not gonna be your problem afterwards.

"Ah, I haven't the resources to have children of my own, let alone adopt them, even though I intend to have them soon. I guess I have no choice but to believe it okay to kill babies in the womb, now."

Pretty sure the church doesn't give a fuck about abortion now anyway. I've been to my local a few times and it's Pozzed out the arse.

Sounds about standard for the Church of England.

 

[Allo Vera]

Are pro-lifers really OK with forcing women to give birth to babies they don’t want? Or with backstreet abortion? Because those are the only alternatives.

 

[LonesomeDud]

I think that every pro-lifer should go and adopt a baby, cause it's easy to advocate for letting that baby be born if it's not gonna be your problem afterwards. Especially if there's a high chance that it will turn out disabled.

I see this a lot thrown at Christians. Having more children through any measure is a blessing. I don't think non-Christians really understand it's not really offputting.

 

[LonesomeDud]

Are pro-lifers really OK with forcing women to give birth to babies they don’t want? Or with backstreet abortion? Because those are the only alternatives.

I don't know the measure of sin for having an abortion, but all women deserve to have a choice and to feel protected and safe. I don't want any woman to feel like abortion is her only choice.

 

[Android raptor]

I don't know the measure of sin for having an abortion, but all women deserve to have a choice and to feel protected and safe. I don't want any woman to feel like abortion is her only choice.

I think forced abortion is just as wrong as forced pregnancy. As fucked up as some of the parents itt are carrying their doomed pregnancies to term is their right. Ultimately all I or anyone else can do is just shake our heads and hope the kids aren't suffering.

Do medfags have any more info on conditions that wouldn't be detected until fairly late? Or any stories about patients that got a horrible diagnosis late in pregnancy?

All that said I think people who are actually at fault for fucking their kids up like Luna's parents should be locked up.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Probably already been covered, but afaik "the pill" doesn't prevent egg fertilisation, it prevents implantation. Given that, and some people here having hardline stances on "life begins at conception" are you anti "the pill"? leaving depo, "the cross", and barrier (I'm sure their might be a few more birth control methods I'm neglecting.)

I think the pill is bad for a number of reasons. My main objection are the adverse health effects and doling them out like candy to kids as we seem to do with SSRI's and methylphenidate (better known under brand names ritalin).

I don't have a moral objection to using the pill as contraceptive.

There's also the likelyhood that millions of women pissing female hormones into the water that we have no way of really filtering out is why sperm quality has been on the decline for decade after decade (while also increasing trannies). Of course studying it is mostly taboo, so it's hard to say for sure. But if it's the case, then it would also be immoral for that reason.

 

[Android raptor]

I see this a lot thrown at Christians. Having more children through any measure is a blessing. I don't think non-Christians really understand it's not really offputting.

Personally I don't mean it as a put down, I legitimately think people need to focus on existing kids first and foremost. Lord only knows I spent a good chunk of my school years around tons of foster kids.

That said horrorshow fundies like the Duggars and other quiverfull types need to stay as far away from kids as possible since they inevitably treat them like shit.

 

[LonesomeDud]

Personally I don't mean it as a put down, I legitimately think people need to focus on existing kids first and foremost. Lord only knows I spent a good chunk of my school years around tons of foster kids.

That said horrorshow fundies like the Duggars and other quiverfull types need to stay as far away from kids as possible since they inevitably treat them like shit.

There is real joy in having a lot of children, but a lot of people approach it with a slave mindset, like it's some kind of requirement to get into heaven or to fit into a church culture. It's unfortunate.

 

[LonesomeDud]

I think forced abortion is just as wrong as forced pregnancy. As fucked up as some of the parents itt are carrying their doomed pregnancies to term is their right. Ultimately all I or anyone else can do is just shake our heads and hope the kids aren't suffering.

Do medfags have any more info on conditions that wouldn't be detected until fairly late? Or any stories about patients that got a horrible diagnosis late in pregnancy?

All that said I think people who are actually at fault for fucking their kids up like Luna's parents should be locked up.

No stories I can really tell you without possibly doxxing myself. But there are a number of conditions, and the decision does weigh really heavily on parents' hearts when making those choices. Ideally they have a supportive physician, counselor, and pastor on board that realize there's no rote answer.

A lot of the trouble is on one end you have these white women breathing down pregnant mothers' necks telling them the only way out is abortion, and on the other hand, you have white women telling them the only way forward is to give birth, and usually sell the child off like cattle if it's healthy enough. It's really odd that so few organizations really support the choice to let mothers parent, but that's a whole other story.

 

[Android raptor]

There is real joy in having a lot of children, but a lot of people approach it with a slave mindset, like it's some kind of requirement to get into heaven or to fit into a church culture. It's unfortunate.

Also they try to have as many kids as quickly as possible with no regard for the potential health and other issues. One of the many problems you serious with big families is older kids (especially girls) being forced to parent their younger siblings. It's fucks them up because it denies them a childhood. Same thing ofen happens in families with addiction issues.

Then of course you have the Andrea Yates case, which is an extreme example of the harm quiverfull shit and constant pregnancy/childbirth can do.

 

[LonesomeDud]

Also they try to have as many kids as quickly as possible with no regard for the potential health and other issues. One of the many problems you serious with big families is older kids (especially girls) being forced to parent their younger siblings. It's fucks them up because it denies them a childhood. Same thing ofen happens in families with addiction issues.

Then of course you have the Andrea Yates case, which is an extreme example of the harm quiverfull shit and constant pregnancy/childbirth can do.

The average evangelical protestant family has 2.3 kids. The average woman, without birth control, will have seven births. These women with a vast number of births are in the minority. Sometimes you have to care for younger siblings, but yeah, I agree some girls are expected to overstep their boundaries. I think it muddies the waters when we say things like, "It steals their childhood." When we're talking about a 14 year old being 100% accountable for raising a preschooler because Mom has three younger kids she's got to tend to, having to mother a child at 14 is something they're not physicially or mentally ready for. If you have to put someone to bed after getting them dinner and a bath, get them settled, get them up and fed and ready for school, it cuts into your time as an adult. As a child who's still growing up, it cuts into important things like getting enough sleep, getting schoolwork done, etc.

There's often a heavy emphasis on having a lot of sex for some of these people, but the truth is, if you're raising eight or ten children, and you're raising them yourselves, your wife might be too tired to have sex with you and you might not have sex more than once every week or two. If she's had a baby recently and she's not getting enough rest, she might need help from her husband and church family, and sex might be off the table all together for months. A good Christian counselor will lay it out there.

What we don't talk about with Andrea Yates is the life in a little trailer, constant pressure for sex, no respite, and no support system. Imagine having your tiny newborn lying beside you, your toddler wets the bed, and your older kid has a fever. Your husband sleeps through it all, and when you get things under control, he paws at you for sex. It distorts everything.

 

[Freya]

Pretty sure the church doesn't give a fuck about abortion now anyway. I've been to my local a few times and it's Pozzed out the arse. All they talk about is 'love god, everyone welcome, no judgement at all, for anything, ever.'

If you're gonna sit through the boring as fuck litanies, and eat the nasty cracker and drink the Tesco own brand 5.99 box wine there should at least be some fun gay bashing, or stoning community events.

No wonder the church attendance is falling, I'd turn up more if every now and again we got to roast some heretics at the stake. Shame really.

It's falling because Cucktianity is a gay middle eastern import

 

[Johan Schmidt]

It's falling because Cucktianity is a gay middle eastern import

The other gay middle eastern import is doing pretty well and they beat the shit out of the gays and behead people.