The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

Consider the following,
Most of the people that are against abortion cite religious reasons, saying that abortion is murder. The trouble is, that it is not murder. Murder is unlawful killing, and abortion is not illegal. Therefore, killing babies is not illegal, therefore not murder.

The bible does not even say that killing is wrong, it says that Murder is wrong. The wording of the commandment is οὐ φονεύσεις in the Septuagint, which means "Thou shalt not murder."
 
You know what is not fun or natural?
Abortions.
Fun no, natural absolutely. Miscarriages are literally spontaneous abortions and people have been trying to induce them and end unwanted pregnancies for as long as humanity has existed.
So you'd have no problem eating a cooked human fetus? It's just cells right?
Yeah probably. Shit, woo types already eat placentas. Would have to be a pretty far along fetus to make a decent meal though, and abortions that late are pretty rare.
 
Humans have also raped each other for the whole of human existence but that doesn't make rape a good thing.
Especially since rape can lead to extremely unwanted pregnancies. Thinking even women and girls who've been raped shouldn't have access to a safe abortion is pure evil.
 
Especially since rape can lead to extremely unwanted pregnancies. Thinking even women and girls who've been raped shouldn't have access to a safe abortion is pure evil.
Thinking an innocent should be put to death for the sins of its father is pure evil.
 
Consider the following,
Most of the people that are against abortion cite religious reasons
They often get this beliefs from twisted words of fraudalent preachers and televangelists. The Bible and Torah both have instructions on how to end an unwanted pregnancy. Plus a baby isn't considered human till it has its own blood supply or is birthed.
 
Thinking an innocent should be put to death for the sins of its father is pure evil.
Thinking an embryo deserves higher priority than a woman or girl is evil and some Taliban bullshit

It's not just being "put to death" for being concieved by a rapist, but also because most women and girls understadibly don't want to gestate and birth the spawn of their rapist and it might not even be safe for them to do so anyway.

Why do you want actual children to potentially die from being forced to gestate chomo fetuses?
 
What verses say that?
Numbers 5:11-31 describes an adulterous woman being given a bitter water beverage that causes miscarriage. That's all I could find.
11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse —“may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

29 “‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her. 31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’”
In the Talmud, it's talked about in the seventh tractate of Nashim.
 
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Numbers 5:11-31 describes an adulterous woman being given a bitter water beverage that causes miscarriage. That's all I could find.

In the Talmud, it's talked about in the seventh tractate of Nashim.
The translation I use (the New American Bible) has ”thighs waste away” and doesn't mention miscarriage. The same is true of the Douay-Rheims Bible (”thighs rot”) and the Latin Vulgate says ”putrescere faciat femur tuum” - may he make your thigh rot.
 
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The parents, or the state.
:story: Someone has evidently never been near a trailer park. Here's a secret of life unfit mothers don't magically turn into Carol Brady when they see their baby in the hospital like you see in the movies.


And the foster system in the US is pure shit why would you want to force children to suffer through it?

Nice to finally know you don't give a shit about these babies once they're shat out of the womb though.
 
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Are you implying we should kill kids so they don't get taken into care?
I'm implying a painless death is better then living 20+ years of abuse, misery and being unwanted and then repeating the cycle yourself yes.

Not like you have any right to moralfag at me anyway when you just admitted you don't give a shit what happens to these babies after birth.
 
I've literally never heard a satisfactory answer for how it's not a life in a moral sense, only a legal one. If you leave it alone it will have a life unless fate intervenes. This is why people are unconvinced by pro abortion arguments: they feel hollow and rhetorical, never addressing the issue people are having.
 
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I've literally never heard a satisfactory answer for how it's not a life in a moral sense, only a legal one. If you leave it alone it will have a life unless fate intervenes. This is why people are unconvinced by pro abortion arguments: they feel hollow and rhetorical, never addressing the issue people are having.
Well a fetus has no awareness and can't feel pain until the 3rd trimester so is it even alive in the most basic sense of life?
 
Well a fetus has no awareness and can't feel pain until the 3rd trimester so is it even alive in the most basic sense of life?
If you leave it alone it will have a life unless fate intervenes. This is why people are unconvinced by pro abortion arguments: they feel hollow and rhetorical, never addressing the issue people are having.
For most people this is morally equivalent to life. Legally it's not, sure.
 
Consider the following,
Most of the people that are against abortion cite religious reasons, saying that abortion is murder. The trouble is, that it is not murder. Murder is unlawful killing, and abortion is not illegal. Therefore, killing babies is not illegal, therefore not murder.

The bible does not even say that killing is wrong, it says that Murder is wrong. The wording of the commandment is οὐ φονεύσεις in the Septuagint, which means "Thou shalt not murder."
I'm not against the euthanasia of tard babies, but that's an absolutely brainlet argument. Biblical law =/= national law. Particularly so when you're talking about satanic Jew-run nations like the US, and UK.

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For an actual example of a biblically justified killing, look no further than Saint Tarrant, since this was permitted under Revelations 22 verses 18-19
 
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If you leave it alone it will have a life unless fate intervenes. This is why people are unconvinced by pro abortion arguments: they feel hollow and rhetorical, never addressing the issue people are having.
For most people this is morally equivalent to life. Legally it's not, sure.
Bruh I ain't talking legally to most people if something has no awareness and can't feel pain it's not alive.

Unless you believe in the concept of the human soul that is, there's a reason the Pro-Life movement is deeply tied to religion.

Most Pro-Life arguments that aren't rooted in religion appeal to emotion and rely on misconceptions about what abortion is. They also seem to run on the delusion that walking trashfires will magically turn into super-mom after popping out a kid or just straight up don't give a damn about what happens to the kid after it leaves the womb which makes me think this is less about saving the babies and more just people being pissy that women are having sex.
 
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