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The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.
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Listen: the "value" of SIGN language is that it's cheap and quick. It's the fast food of arguments. It stops being effective and starts to flagrantly expose genuine idiocy-- even if it's part of an RP-- when you drag it on for longer than the retort itself. The insult didn't take, so you need to move on from it instead of exposing that you're willing to excessively overextend its meaning as you flounder for a gate to keep.
The only thing I said is that you read like an incel's stereotype of a woman. Poorly RPing as a woman in an attempt to win an argument on the internet is bad enough, but if you were a woman and this was your actual personality, that would arguably be a bigger discredit.
For one, everything on record would imply-- among other things-- that you've only ever related to men with sex, which is why you would think that me being a virgin means that I have no experience with women.
That would make you a whore, and invalidate just about every single thing you have to say because your frame of mind would invariably be crooked and warped.
I guess it is now, given that you're an angry angry incel RPing as a whore. But at least as is, you haven't actually mindlessly prostituted your body to the point that you only know male interaction by sex.
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Then let's do away with all the support networks provided for women, including alimony payments.
Anyone who espouses that men have zero say in these matters should get zero support.
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Embryos, fetuses, and infants are not the same. There is a clear distinction between the three. Science says so. After eight weeks, it's a fetus and once it's born, it's an infant. Most abortions are performed when it's still an embryo.
This is why people like you need to stay out of the abortion debate altogether. You don't even know what the fuck you're screaming about.
Again, speak to a woman other than your mother and you'll realize that we're all different. You don't get to scream about people pretending to be women just because you don't like that I'm pro-choice.
You're clearly insecure about your virginity, no matter how much you pretend otherwise. That's why you keep projecting by calling me an incel.
Translation: once the kid is born, it can go fuck itself.Then let's do away with all the support networks provided for women, including alimony payments.
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It does not matter if they're the same or not, and I never claimed that they were regardless. Those are just different stages of human development, simple as that. A toddler isn't a teenager just like a zygote isn't an embryo. These are just labels for periods of human development, none of which are appropriate for killing.
Don't project your ignorance and emotional instability onto me, bro. It's bad enough that you support infanticide, don't also be an uncivilized brat. Guess that's expecting too much from your kind though.
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"We"? Ah, nous parlons français, maintenant?
Fact of the matter is, you're imitating an incel's stereotype of a woman, and you have an abnormal fixation with my virginity (something I've made no secret of and could have lied about at any time, but also don't really talk about when it isn't relevant). That's good enough to assume you're an incel. Statements like "100% natal female" just seal the deal. Everyone's aware of the diversity of women, but it's extremely unlikely to meet one that's as dreggy as the stereotype you're imitating.
It's either that, or you're actually that dreggy whore that has never related to a man outside of sex in her life, which could be an alternate explanation for your abnormal fixation with my virginity. Either way, between a subnormal IQ and a comically warped mental frame, your contributions have little worth.
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No, if you agree that men should have a say - you get support. If not - you don't.
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Dear, if anybody has a fixation, it's you. You keep insisting that I'm a man because I don't act like some sort of tradwife. I'll stop making fun of your virginity when you finally concede that you really don't know anything about women.
And my relationship with men is just fine.
So the already born kid just gets screwed over? How pro-life of you.
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I refuse to believe you don't see the irony in this. If it were up to you, where would you draw the line on abortions, and why? I'm not talking about cases where it's a necessity to save the mother's life or something, I mean abortions on a whim. When is the baby too far along to abort?
Based on what you said before I think you've already indicated your position fairly clearly, but I'll ask anyway.
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Incorrect. Notice that you're the only person here claiming to be a woman whose claim I've disputed for specific reasons-- regardless of whether any such woman is pro-life, pro-choice, or "would put a baby in a blender because muh mental illness". I continue to point out that you're a man because you continue to insist that you're not despite the evidence to the contrary, without anything more than your word.
There hasn't been mention or implication of "tradwife" ideals. Instead, I've consistently said that you're RPing as an incel's stereotype of a woman.
It clearly isn't, regardless of what you are.
Overall, you're arguing that men are obligated to only act as tools for whatever it is a woman wants in this situation-- whether it be to kill the child or carry it to term-- without having a say as to what they're involved in through their resources.
This is how I know you're an incel RPing as what you think a woman is; nobody would think this foolishly if they were earnestly thinking.
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If its 100% the woman's choice then its 100% the woman's responsibility.
If women shouldn't be held accountable for the consequences of sex and her freedom is paramount, then men shouldn't be held accountable for the consequences of sex and his freedom is paramount as well. If women all have the right to abort a child unilaterally, then men all have the right to unilaterally run off and not care for the women they impregnate and the children spawned.
If that's the society we want, then at least it'll be consistent. Dont fuck someone who might run off (if you're a woman who wants to have a child and not struggle alone) or fuck someone who'd get an abortion (if you're a man who objects to abortions).
If women shouldn't be held accountable for the consequences of sex and her freedom is paramount, then men shouldn't be held accountable for the consequences of sex and his freedom is paramount as well. If women all have the right to abort a child unilaterally, then men all have the right to unilaterally run off and not care for the women they impregnate and the children spawned.
If that's the society we want, then at least it'll be consistent. Dont fuck someone who might run off (if you're a woman who wants to have a child and not struggle alone) or fuck someone who'd get an abortion (if you're a man who objects to abortions).
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It's amazing how "brahgressives" have the same firmware and the same stupid gotchas.
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"so you wont provide for who i literally just advocated for the murder of because it was in a womb yesterday? how pro-life"
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Nobody is aborting after the second trimester unless the fetus is no longer viable, so that's a moot point. Again, stop speaking about issues that you know nothing about.
I am one of a handful of people in this thread who puts the pregnant woman's well being first. Incels, such as yourself, feel the opposite of me.
Again, you know nothing about women. And lol at you saying that I'm a man because I correct you. I have nothing to gain my pretending to be a woman of a forum that's dripping with misogynists like you.
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I’m pro-retroactive abortion; legalize the abortion of any one in this thread, myself included.
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What does this have to do with bodily autonomy? Does it matter if the woman's right to choose is what's paramount?
Eat shit.
You had the gall to criticize a surrogate mother fighting to not be coerced to get an abortion because it was supposedly a waste of the time of the people who hired her for the task, even when they could have just arranged an adoption instead or fucked off themselves. You offered no alternative to maintain bodily autonomy in a situation where the lawsuit existed because she wouldn't get an abortion like the couple asked.
You argued that a third trimester child should have been aborted while not acknowledging that the mother was reportedly "excited" to give birth-- you even said how the 9-month old fetus (that you called an embryo, by the way, because either you're an incel imitating a stupid woman or-- more likely, as far as I'm now concerned-- you're a stupid incel imitating a woman) wouldn't feel pain. Yes, she's 12 years old, the norms of her culture that allowed her to be pregnant in the first place are inappropriate, and it's particularly dangerous for someone as young as her to give birth, but the only extractable implication in all your bumbling was that she should have been compelled to have an abortion without actually weighing what we were told she felt and without actually weighing how an abortion at that point would affect her.
At this point, I don't even think you have a commitment to any belief system as much as you do to this asinine act you waste everyone's time with. Also, you dodged the point being made, which is that you're expecting men to be slavish dispensaries for whatever women want without having a say about what their resources are going to. Again, this is what an incel thinks the average woman thinks like, and how I know you're an incel imitating a woman.
We know you're a man because your impression of a woman is so low-IQ it's comical and obvious. You've easily made the most brain-dead arguments out of all the pro-choice proponents here, likely because you're an anti-natalist that can't even be honest (or you can't maintain your woman farce consistently enough).
Now I'm supposing that "Tard Baby General" refers to its regulars, rather than its subjects. If it isn't, they're clearly not sending their best.
You do it to try to gatekeep the abortion conversation. You say that men shouldn't be able to comment on the topic of abortion and you ask why we care. We tell you, and then you default back to gatekeeping. Your intentions are particularly obvious when you tell this to a woman and you're informed that they are; you effectively tell them that they should agree with your position and stash away even the concerns that inform their own. This, in particular, is pretty misogynistic of you, but hypocrisy is to be expected of someone who RPs as a woman in a desperate bid for legitimacy.
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@Zero Day Defense is really hard for you to just admit that you're uninformed?
And once again, stop projecting your insecurities onto me. You don't get to insist that I'm a man just because you have no experience with women.
And once again, stop projecting your insecurities onto me. You don't get to insist that I'm a man just because you have no experience with women.
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Have you finally given up on vagina-based gatekeeping you had no business performing in favor of a pretentious variant of "you're a dumb poo-poo head"?
SIGN language aside, you're not making sense. If I were an incel, that would mean that I would certainly know about incel stereotypes about women, which would explain why I assert you're a man-- because you perfectly resemble an incel's stereotype of a woman. Not actual women, but rather the incel's perception of them.
Are you suggesting that incels actually have a pretty accurate perception of women? Is this why you keep accusing me of calling you a man because I have no experience with women while I'm actually accusing you of being a man that's acting out an incel's stereotype of a woman? Because I wouldn't give them that much credit, even if I do know why the incel REEES.
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Uhm, what distinction. I read this entire thing and see nothing at all that makes such an arbitrary distinction. Quote the actual sentences.
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Answer the fucking question. Why are you too proud to admit that you're uninformed?
Again, I am not pretending to be a woman. You can keep autistically screeching until your face turns blue.
Sorry, I pasted the wrong link
"A fetus is defined from 8 weeks after conception until term while in the uterus. An infant is live born and younger than 365 days of age."