Plagued The Alt-Right

[Terrorist]

Last thing I'll say since this shit is going nowhere fast (not my best showing, I'll admit)

Jesus of Nazareth, St. Paul of Tarsus, St. Augustine of Hippo, St. Thomas Aquinas, and all the great Doctors of the Church, with my personal mention going to Soren Kirkengaard: a brother in Christ and the last mystic of this age.

No bullshit, I respect all of those; I think we need a more Godly society too. Biggest problem I have with the alt-right is its childish hatred of one of the major pillars of Western greatness (Christianity).

He's a Christian Anarchist. Something much worse and even more contradictory as most influential Anarchist thinkers could tell you.

...but how does that square with Anarchism? How does a Christian Anarchist society look, anyway?

 

[Cummy Queen]

Jesus of Nazareth, St. Paul of Tarsus, St. Augustine of Hippo, St. Thomas Aquinas, and all the great Doctors of the Church, with my personal mention going to Soren Kirkengaard: a brother in Christ and the last mystic of this age.

How do you feel about the anarchist utopia founded in seattle?

 

[haurchefant]

I never denied white degeneracy! I post very often about it. That said, how are other races any better? Who are our betters, and why? Jews and who else? And if they are our betters, should we accept their current anti-white rule over us?

You're playing your own game of deflection, trying to paint over the massive inadequacies of nonwhites with the flaws of Western society now. Yes, trailer parks are often sad and shitty environments, but 85% of all violent crime does not come from the demographic populating trailer parks. Blacks have far more problems than poor whites...I defy you to find a white community where 70% of babies are born out of wedlock. Does this mean whites don't have problems? No! But whites also having problems doesn't make liberal egalitarian brainwashing any less false.

"Degeneracy" implies there was some higher state we degenerated from, a civilizational history you agreed was impressive. But most nonwhites can't say that. A few great nonwhite civilizations existed, but they were surpassed by the West to the point of most of those people being Europe's colonial property by the 19th century, and needing Europe's inventions to develop any power of their own (this was my point about China...I know about paper and gunpowder and all that, your Grade 6 social studies factoids don't wow me).

If we whites do have this great heritage as the civilized nations, shouldn't we care about it and try to honor it? What is wrong in having pride in something beyond your (ultimately insignificant in the grand scheme of things) job, car, college degree, etc.?

Holy shit are you crying? lmao stop sobbing you poor sap, I know you've read my posts in the riot thread where I've already discussed how pathetic the blacks in the US are so you should already know how I feel about this. I never said that blacks and hispanics and other browns are somehow less dysfunctional than whites or whatever, I'm just pointing out that white people have no grounds to look down on other people.

You whine a lot about how "White People City has fallen" but you're devastatingly ignorant of the cultural power of other massive empires (like how most pacific asian cultures are copying China because their reach in the Pacific is just that huge.) As all civilizations must these nations have also waxed and waned over the centuries. White people are not special for being degenerate. That's what puts white people on the same level as everyone else. Because it turns out that you don't need to be a specific race to enjoy the cruise of entropy.

Civilizations rise and fall all the time, white people are not special for experiencing it. I don't give a shit about pee oh seas experiencing this cycle as well because they're in the same boat we are - worse off actually because they're so heavily reliant on white nations for their survival. But I take some amusement in knowing that they'll starve without us.

I can't believe you're so fucking stupid that you actually found a way to cry about how I'm deflecting and blah blah blah when I've stated here and in other places that I agree with you. But that's white nationalists and the alt-right for you, they hate everyone especially the people that could be their allies.

People like you are why a white nationalist movement will never get off the ground by the way. Forget Jews and forget the feds, the white race will never have its own pride or advocacy group because mentally weak morons like you are the primary drivers of it. No one wants to associate with crybabies.

 

[Terrorist]

Holy shit are you crying? lmao stop sobbing you poor sap, I know you've read my posts in the riot thread where I've already discussed how pathetic the blacks in the US are so you should already know how I feel about this. I never said that blacks and hispanics and other browns are somehow less dysfunctional than whites or whatever, I'm just pointing out that white people have no grounds to look down on other people.

You whine a lot about how "White People City has fallen" but you're devastatingly ignorant of the cultural power of other massive empires (like how most pacific asian cultures are copying China because their reach in the Pacific is just that huge.) As all civilizations must these nations have also waxed and waned over the centuries. White people are not special for being degenerate. That's what puts white people on the same level as everyone else. Because it turns out that you don't need to be a specific race to enjoy the cruise of entropy.

Civilizations rise and fall all the time, white people are not special for experiencing it. I don't give a shit about pee oh seas experiencing this cycle as well because they're in the same boat we are - worse off actually because they're so heavily reliant on white nations for their survival. But I take some amusement in knowing that they'll starve without us.

I can't believe you're so fucking stupid that you actually found a way to cry about how I'm deflecting and blah blah blah when I've stated here and in other places that I agree with you. But that's white nationalists and the alt-right for you, they hate everyone especially the people that could be their allies.

People like you are why a white nationalist movement will never get off the ground by the way. Forget Jews and forget the feds, the white race will never have its own pride or advocacy group because mentally weak morons like you are the primary drivers of it. No one wants to associate with crybabies.

You're right. I'm a triggered chud shitgoblin. I have had a mental breakdown because your posts have destroyed me so utterly (I'm so broken that I even used an exclamation point). If only I had respected your posting canon, I could have left my bigotry behind me and learned from a true master such as yourself. Please, educate me in the ways of Branch Dontgiveshittarian Contrarianism; I am but a worm before your wisdom.

Must be convenient that everyone who disagrees with you (or agrees all along! who knew huh!) is a blubbering moron.

 

[Cummy Queen]

No one wants to associate with crybabies.

I don't know man, nonwhites and fags have gotten pretty far obsessing over their own perceived oppression. Maybe if more white people acted like victims we could get all the preferential treatment "hate speech laws, affirmitive action, special welfare programs, ect" that everyone else gets.

 

[haurchefant]

You're right. I'm a triggered chud shitgoblin. I have had a mental breakdown because your posts have destroyed me so utterly (I'm so broken that I even used an exclamation point). If only I had respected your posting canon, I could have left my bigotry behind me and learned from a true master such as yourself. Please, educate me in the ways of Branch Dontgiveshittarian Contrarianism; I am but a worm before your wisdom.

Must be convenient that everyone who disagrees with you is a blubbering moron.

Good, now go to your room to think about what you did. If you're good then you're mother and I will let you come downstairs for supper.

I don't know man, nonwhites and fags have gotten pretty far obsessing over their own perceived oppression. Maybe if more white people acted like victims we could get all the preferential treatment "hate speech laws, affirmitive action, special welfare programs, ect" that everyone else gets.

They only get that treatment because their masters think it owns the whites. You'll notice that Azns don't get the same treatment and it's because they're successful (and often make more money than whites as well as being more law abiding. It's another race that's better than white people tbh.)

 

[Terrorist]

Good, now go to your room to think about what you did. If you're good then you're mother and I will let you come downstairs for supper.

So you've moved to a split-level cardboard box? Fancy. (I kid, I kid; I legitimately argued poorly ITT, and you made interesting points. You win this round.)

 

[forums poster wow]

Ok, i'm drunk, bored, and probably retarded. So let's debate a "WN". Because i have nothing better to do and i don't care about ratings given how often i post anyway.

Let's skip the whole stupid ass argument about ethics and shit (we know you don't get the concept already). Let's imagine it's White Nationalist Christmas! Niggas, chinks, and all the colors of the rainbow decide to GTFO on their own, with no fucking day of reckoning. Let's ignore all the reasons why it's not a thing that can happen. Let's also imagine, with cream on top, that the whole world around your swamp is okay with that, and everything is forgiven, no wars, no debates, every country will approve millions of immigrants because you're so god damn sexy!

Basically White Only Country Status Achieved And Approved Award! In a single day! (let's ignore all the white ppl who will fuck off from your country too, and the devastating economic impact. It's WN Christmas I told you, magic)

Now what?

Do you actually think that the whiteys who will have to fill the now unoccupied ghettos and shit jobs are going to behave like good little peons? That they won't realize that they got fucked over? That's thinking very little about your own race

I'm sarcastic, but kinda curious. What is your ideal society supposed to look like? Because until now when i ask that stuff, you guys tend to sound like commies with a different vocabulary.

EDIT: Sadly i'm out of beer now. And debating cows doesn't seem as attractive as it did when i had booze.

Nooooooooo! You can't just go back to how things were before we looted your civilization! Just think about the devastating impacts!!

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

No bullshit, I respect all of those; I think we need a more Godly society too. Biggest problem I have with the alt-right is its childish hatred of one of the major pillars of Western greatness (Christianity).

And yet, you reject the consistent teaching of the Church since its foundation:

"For there is neither Jew nor Greek, bond nor free, man nor woman; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. If ye have accepted Christ, thy are of Abraham's seed and heir to the promise."

And, because I know you will claim that this was not meant: Paul here is rebuking the Romans of Galatia for refusing to allow the conversion of those of other races to the faith. Christ's message of brotherhood is universal, for all races; and one does not say "You are my brother-now get away from me, for you are lesser than me and I find you repulsive". We are all nothing before God. This is the "pillar of Western greatness" that racial identitarians rightfully reject, because there is no room in the heart of one who honestly keeps the commandments for scorn and rejection based on skin or anything else. If you place your race above your love of God, you are not Christian, but one of those who outwardly is virtuous but inwards is a wolf.
Augustine of Hippo, by-the-by, was a Berber: an ethnic group that are regularly called "white" when this point is brought up by racial identitarians, but are then minutes later dismissed as "stupid niggers living in mud huts".

...but how does that square with Anarchism? How does a Christian Anarchist society look, anyway?

I reject the ultimate validity of the State, for there is only one ruler, Jesus, and one nation, the Kingdom of Heaven. The Christian Anarchist state is the Kingdom of Heaven itself- for there will be no "law" by man's understanding, for the redeemed will all live by the goodness and compassion in their hearts, cleansed of Original Sin. In this sinful fallen world, the best one can do is demand that the governments of men seek to approach, as far as possible, the ideal of Christ's love. This includes allowing peoples of all races to live and worship alongside each other. Of course, the current US government has been very sinful due to the erosion of support for the poorest among us and the working class. I would like the state to promote Christian values as such, but that's not happening.

How do you feel about the anarchist utopia founded in seattle?

A fruitless endeavor: there will be no Kingdom of Heaven until the stain of Original Sin is wiped away. Small autonomous communities of the faithful can survive for a time, but not by setting up camp in the middle of a city.

 

[Cummy Queen]

They only get that treatment because their masters think it owns the whites. You'll notice that Azns don't get the same treatment and it's because they're successful (and often make more money than whites as well as being more law abiding. It's another race that's better than white people tbh.)

True, tbh I see what you're saying. I don't think you need to hate other races, or think your own race is superior to be a nationalist. It's true, Asians are doing better than whites right now. If you want you could use the word "superior" since they do commit less crime, and are more successful than whites. Though I think nationalism shouldn't be about thinking everyone else is inferior, since "besides blacks" every racial group has had it's own golden ages and its dark ages. Nor should it be about feeling superior to every person with a different skin tone just for being what you are. Some white fat ass neckbeard isn't superior to a successful nigger just because he might have better genes.

If anything racial pride should encourage people to always want to improve, to live up to the standards set by the heroes of their past. To want what's best for their own people, want to improve them, and preserve their existence. A black guy should be just as much as a nationalist as any white. Even if he has no glorious history to look back on. Feeling superior shouldn't be the point, the point should be improvement. And even if your ancestors are superior you must hold up to their example if you want to say the same. Even if I personally think white potential is better than the potential of other races. It's obvious that potential is being squandered, and squandered potential isn't any better than having no potential at all.

A fruitless endeavor: there will be no Kingdom of Heaven until the stain of Original Sin is wiped away. Small autonomous communities of the faithful can survive for a time, but not by setting up camp in the middle of a city.

Any anarchist "utopia" founded by people who ascribe to your bizarre crank ideology would be just as embarrassing as this CHAZ bullshit. Did you do a double take on the larping bullshit you just posted?

 

[TaimuRadiu]

Oh my, the sheer volume of autism in this thread is overwhelming.

I'm a sand nigger, so I don't have much room to argue on racial superiority. With this in mind, I'd like to point one thing out: literally every other society that has ever existed is capable of functioning without white people. In comparison to the rest of the world, white people are indeed the minority if China and India are anything to attest to.

Furthermore, what is even the criteria for whiteness? Arabs, Persians, Balochis, Sindhis, Punjabis, Pathans, Rajasthanis, Turks, Uzbeks, Kazakhs, among countless other groups of people are typically considered "brown" people and yet it's extremely common to have people from those groups to be so pale that they can be considered white. Certainly, I've been mistaken for white many times when I was younger because I was really pale growing up.

The next logical conclusion would be to define white as "European," but then that presents itself a small problem: Europe is no different from the rest of the world in that every ethnic group is clamoring over whose is superior. Hitler apparently had a fetish for the Nordic subgroup of the Aryan race, but he also had a massive hateboner for Slavs. Portugal is a piece of shit rectangle, the Spaniards love to take credit for "discovering" America, the Germans love to LARP as if they own Europe, you get the idea. Even if we were to define "white" as "European," we'd never get anywhere because now we have a bunch of retards saying "my subgroup of white people is better than your subgroup!" I thought the point was to hate OTHER people and not your own.

On another note, the alt right seems to forget that time advances in other parts of the world. The Middle Ages certainly weren't as big of a dystopian hellhole as you might think. The empires maligned for war crimes were also those same empires that actually still kept the disciplines and the humanities alive during Europe's own lull in advancement. Granted, there's no excuse from a historical perspective to justify the near eradication of the Zoroastrians but again - these powers persisted and accomplished much of the same things that the so-called "white" empires actually take credit for.

India was only captured by the British because the Sikh Empire fell and the Mughals had decayed so much that they could only realistically lay claim over to Delhi. The Rashiduns managed to beat both the Byzantines and the Sassanids because both empires wore each other thin over the centuries of conflict. If a civilisation ever becomes weak, another that can actually survive will take its place. That's the one thing that history has taught us over and over again and this is something that has happened in literally every other part of the world that has ever existed.

I'm certainly convinced that there is some concerted effort to make white people ashamed of themselves because these types of tactics are the same used by white people on other races that they've conquered. It's plainly obvious to see that there is an anti-white narrative that's being pushed by some authority that I frankly dont' care enough to learn about.

With this in mind, I absolutely detest this Eurocentric circlejerk because from an outsider's point of view, the alt right violently masturbates to European supremacy simply because the past nations of Europe... existed and did what a nation should?

If the European White West isn't so superior, then why does everyone clamor to come here?

Ok, i'm drunk, bored, and probably retarded. So let's debate a "WN". Because i have nothing better to do and i don't care about ratings given how often i post anyway.

Let's skip the whole stupid ass argument about ethics and shit (we know you don't get the concept already). Let's imagine it's White Nationalist Christmas! Niggas, chinks, and all the colors of the rainbow decide to GTFO on their own, with no fucking day of reckoning. Let's ignore all the reasons why it's not a thing that can happen. Let's also imagine, with cream on top, that the whole world around your swamp is okay with that, and everything is forgiven, no wars, no debates, every country will approve millions of immigrants because you're so god damn sexy!

Basically White Only Country Status Achieved And Approved Award! In a single day! (let's ignore all the white ppl who will fuck off from your country too, and the devastating economic impact. It's WN Christmas I told you, magic)

Now what?

Do you actually think that the whiteys who will have to fill the now unoccupied ghettos and shit jobs are going to behave like good little peons? That they won't realize that they got fucked over? That's thinking very little about your own race

I'm sarcastic, but kinda curious. What is your ideal society supposed to look like? Because until now when i ask that stuff, you guys tend to sound like commies with a different vocabulary.

EDIT: Sadly i'm out of beer now. And debating cows doesn't seem as attractive as it did when i had booze.

Are Turks White? The modern Turk has an extremely heavy descent from White Hellenics.

Are Armenians White? They speak an Indo-European language. Same also applies to Iran (literally, "Aryan") and high caste Brahmins in India.

Are Italians White? Are Slavs? How are swarthy Germans White and pale Lebanese are not?

Like, you might have a 100% pure Bavarian phenotype but what about that Spaniard over there? He probably descends from dusky Moors. Also, do Ethiopians count at all in Western Civ? Their civilization descends partially from Jews and they are heavily Christian. Do Japanese really belong in the "Honorary Aryan" category or is that only because they're so rich per capita compared to Shithole Tennessee? Do we count Applachian White as White in the Ethnostate? Red headed Celts?

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Any anarchist "utopia" founded by people who ascribe to your bizarre crank ideology would be just as embarrassing as this CHAZ bullshit. Did you do a double take on the larping bullshit you just posted?

I have faith in the Second Coming of Christ and the establishment of the Kingdom of Heaven, as prophesied in the Revelation of Patmos given to the Apostle John and promised by Christ himself. I expect ridicule and mockery from those without faith in God for believing this; there are many who profess to be Christian but do not truly believe, and many more who reject and mock Christ and his teachings openly.

This isn't "LARPing bullshit". I strive to live in accordance with Christ's teachings, although there have been times where I have lapsed gravely. Those who lack faith cannot understand what it means to have it, any more than a summer insect knows winter's chill. It is easier to accuse a believer of being false in his heart than to accept they may experience something you do not; in our arrogance, we measure the infinity of Creation by our limited minds.

 

[ProgKing of the North]

Nooooooooo! You can't just go back to how things were before we looted your civilization! Just think about the devastating impacts!!

Yes, thing were perfect and then the darkies showed up and ruined everything, that's exactly what happened

 

[Cummy Queen]

Larpy cult bullshit.

That's cool

 

[Ash Gassem]

Why are you any fucking different than a furfag coming into the mocking furfag threads to defend his degeneracy? You're just the same shit, an idiot too autistic to grasp that you are in the wrong place to be doing the stupid fucking shit you are doing.

Because I'm not defending any degeneracy. There's certainly tons to make fun of in the alt-right or whatever you want to call it, and I have not and do not defend any of it. But the premise that the media is systematically gaslighting the public on matters of race is simply a fact of reality. The fact that jews dominate our media and are the primary cause of this phenomenon is simply a fact of reality.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

Yes, thing were perfect and then the darkies showed up and ruined everything, that's exactly what happened

'member how the white man bought slaves from african warlords and sent them to work their colonies since they were too lazy to work

'member how the white man annexed the african territory explicitly to exploit their resources and try to colonize them

'member how the white man started bitching when the dark fellows came to THEIR countries to try to get a slice of the pie that had been made from their fruits

 

[Ash Gassem]

have any refutation?

Out behind my folks' house, there's a wooded area. When they moved in, it was quite lovely; the area divides two subdivisions, and the trees made a nice barricade dividing the back yards. Over the last several years, huge amounts of the trees in the area have perished. They were ash trees, you see. They've been absolutely wiped out by the emerald ash borer. It's actually depressing to look at. My parents have had a number of trees near the property line cut down, but even so there are dozens in view of their deck that are dead, and the once-full wooded area is largely barren of anything over about 20' tall.

In one way, you can consider the emerald ash borer superior to the trees upon which it feasts. The thing is, no more trees, no more emerald ash borers. After several millennia, jews finally were successful in getting their prized Israel back. Yet, even with all these genius jews, the state is dependent upon huge cash inflows from holocaust reparations, US aid transfers, and US hegemonic dominion of the area in which the state exists. And even so, it's the most hated state in the world. The history of jews, by their own accounts, is filled with continuous hostility and pogroms. No doubt these alleged pogroms are largely either outright fabrications, or blown way out of proportion. But like the EABs in the wooded area behind my folks' house, they're running out of ash trees.

'member how the white man bought slaves from african warlords and sent them to work their colonies since they were too lazy to work

The actual issue there wasn't that anyone was too lazy to work, it was that the land was so cheap and the amount of available labor was so low. It was a matter of profit, basically. Slavery wasn't a thing in the North because laborers could be treated on par with slaves. It was, in effect, a continuation of feudalism. After the fall of slavery, but before the migration into the cities, the system of share-cropping lead to a lot of people living like slaves, but without the protection that resulted from being regarded as property. Steinbeck's Joads were arguably worse off than slaves, and many people are aware of that history, but the so-called "national conversation" excludes such cases utterly. Ditto Sinclair's Rudkus'. It's bad for the narrative that many millions of white people were as bad off as freed slaves around a century ago.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

There really should be a "debate white trashionalists containment megathread" for this stuff.

Isn't that nearly every thread on A&N?

 

[Ash Gassem]

As for the liars defending blacks here, perhaps you can point to some cases of dozens or even hundreds of "teens" running rampant through cities or county fairs beating and assaulting people, robbing stores en masse, and shooting each other by the score who are not black. Seeing as how this regularly occurs with black teens, across the nation, perhaps you can point to a dozen or so equivalent cases with teens who are not black.

 

[RichardMongler]

Fucking Christ...

The next logical conclusion would be to define white as "European," but then that presents itself a small problem: Europe is no different from the rest of the world in that every ethnic group is clamoring over whose is superior. Hitler apparently had a fetish for the Nordic subgroup of the Aryan race, but he also had a massive hateboner for Slavs. Portugal is a piece of shit rectangle, the Spaniards love to take credit for "discovering" America, the Germans love to LARP as if they own Europe, you get the idea. Even if we were to define "white" as "European," we'd never get anywhere because now we have a bunch of retards saying "my subgroup of white people is better than your subgroup!" I thought the point was to hate OTHER people and not your own.

I will direct you to a very cogent series of posts by @FakeNewsAnchor that will hopefully address your concerns fully. I honestly think the question "What is White," while valid from a biological standpoint, serves no greater purpose than to fragment White Americans and undermine any attempt on their part from uniting for their collective ethnic interests. You don't need to be a White Nationalist to come to this conclusion.

Keep in mind you can be pro-White and even racist without necessarily being a White Nationalist. As to White Nationalism itself, I would argue that it's a dead end built on a false premise that culture somehow belonged to them. That said, the issues they bring up (Black criminality, institutional discrimination against Whites, et cetera) are all valid and should be cause for Whites to unify to address on their behalf as people who live in a society with these problems.

The Chinese had their first unified Empire which dwarfed the Republic at its peak by the time Rome was fighting the first Punic War. Their philosophical writings (specifically that of Confucius) influenced the entirety of the East in the same way that Aristotle and Plato influenced all Western thought after them. China was using paper currency backed by the silver standard 5 centuries before the idea would catch on in Europe. Chinese development of Buddhist thought was so influential that every major sect besides Therevada stems from the teachings of Bodhidharma and Huike. Any standard that defines the Chinese as parasites and mimics would also exclude the great empires of the West and Near East as well and leave the Earth barren of any civilization. Your comments are myopic in the extreme and, I suspect, driven more by an ideological need to apply a double-standard to China and Europe to maintain the myth of a strict and easy hierarchy of racial castes with Anglo-Germanic Europeans at the top.

I'll admit Chinese history is a massive blindspot for me to comment on meaningfully. I'm not here to argue about China, although they are becoming a dominant economic force that may one day eclipse the entirety of the West, so we should be concerned with them as our competitors.

I have noted previously in this thread that there were various points in history where Europeans paled in comparison to other empires. The Persian Empire stretched over more territory than the Roman Empire while the Mongols expanded their reach from the Pacific Ocean to the Danube. Hell, the Aztecs were building a civilization quite advanced in its own right with little contact from the old world.

Why do we privilege White Europeans? Because they're our people and we will be judged as Whites no matter what.

Spencer, Anglin, and Varg fucking Vierknes (how does he not have a thread already?) are your current thought leaders

Congratulations, you conflate the failure of men to live up to their espoused principles with the principles being failures themselves. White identity doesn't begin and end with them, you know.

The protests/riots surrounding George Floyd didn't actually break down into a race war like they wanted so now they've turned the chimpouts up to 11.

You think I or anyone else who's pro-White apart from Siege-reading accelerationists wanted the cities they lived in to collapse into chaos? You think I wanted to see footage of White shopkeepers getting attacked by rioters armed with 2x4s? You think I wanted to see Black gangs douse a White guy with flares? You think I wanted to see statues defaced/torn down indiscriminately (too many to fucking link to) just because they broadly represent White history? Do you think I wanted this all done because the media chose to tell half the story about George Floyd? Do you think I enjoy watching the whole fucking world construct reality out of thin air and canonize a lifelong drug addict/criminal to such an absurd degree?

You're a fucking asshole if you think that. About the only possible upside (being optimistic here) is that maybe, just maybe, those who got scared after Charlottesville will now have a very visceral reminder that the media complex that shapes narratives while consulting hucksters like Tim Wise (along with whoever else) as experts on race relations will not stop until you as White people are completely and thoroughly reduced to a politically powerless plurality at best.

There's a reason that Sam Hyde quote is often brought up in these discussions because that succinctly sums up the mindset of the American Left.