The Amazing Digital Circus - Western Isekai that probably will become Hazbin Hotel killer

Colon capital V said:
Phenomenal, thunk-provoking, and eye-opening video that truly exposes the real cost of indie animation.

I've expressed my gripes and concerns before about how much of an immense time sink and production cost animation is with very little RoI, but this guy sledgehammered the nail on why animation in today's landscape is simply unprofitable.
It reminds me of how cartoons from the 70s - 80s were specifically designed as toy commercials for kids as a way for companies to skirt around laws regarding product placements in shows for minors, which funnily enough some would consider those periods as the "dark ages" of western animation.

So to see this "cartoons are nothing but commercials to sell you toys" practice once again in current year should really tell you about the current state of animation as a medium.
I really wish we had an answer as to how people should be buying animated shows as a "product", but after years of conditioning niggercattle to watch shit for free via ads, that's a genie we will unfortunately never be able to put back into the bottle.
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Despite the competition flood, just get into webtoons at this point. If you already know to draw or are into the arts it is more cost-effective and saves you much more time. Animators as the ones seen in this forum, develop this certain kind to personality that that is just human repellent because it is such a lonely endeavor. Also people would be just as impressed with a well drawn, well designed character/object as with an 10-15 minute animation. Like you're already fighting an uphill battle with the ever present animation stigma, managing the work and employees you have to pay at market price for something with no upside in the horizon is insane to me.
 
One major difference between Iron Lung and TADC is that Iron Lung worked as its own standalone movie. Yeah, if you didn't play/see the game before going in, you were a bit confused, but it worked as its own thing to a degree. TADC...isn't like that. It's not a standalone movie showing for people who might be casually interested. It's the finale of something that people who aren't terminally online won't know about.

I wonder how many kids are going to see the movie poster and want to watch it? Then, when they go in, it'll just be this ending to something their parents don't understand, nor will they. I get that they want to do the "Markiplier thing", but I just can't see this the same. Mark built up hype for 2 or so years; we knew he wanted it to be in theatres this whole time. His audience grew up with him and were old enough to do call-ins to theatres, write emails, etc. TADC is largely gooner slop. 3 AM calls to Pomni and digital farming for views. It's milk-drinking babies who make up a big portion of the audience, that or 16-year-old fujoshis. The difference is stark.
 
LucasSomething said:
Like, i want to read the professional movie critics who never touched TADC be forced to write reviews about it because it's trendy and would get clicks.
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Just imagine Gene Shalit coming out of retirement solely to review this.
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Yeah these mofos never making it out of the circus

At least the whole 'Jax worst moment' thing might not just be him being cringe in the gun episode after all.
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The ultimate message of The Amazing Digital Circus: Optimism is for losers.
Professor Donger said:
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"I am hilarious, and you will quote everything I say."
Hey Bitches it's me said:
I have no hand, but I must wank
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Zooble in eight words.
 
The Great One said:
When they got funded by the australian government, the japanese business people with their store and restaurant, tim sweeney and epic games when they were making the show with tari, pushing their merch into stores like walmart, hot topic, gamestop, fye, shall I go on.
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samuraicrack said:
Nigga they were literally selling plushies for Digital Circus before the first episode even dropped. If we’re being honest here Glitch is a merchandising company and the shows are just glorified commercials for said merchandise
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So?

The only argument so far against being indie is the austrialian government. Everything else can be done while still being indie. "Indie" just means "independant", as in self funded/distributed. That's it.

I don't see why it matters so much to people. When Highguard claimed to be indie, it mattered because they tried to use "We're just a wittle indie dev doing our best, just give us a chawce uwu." despite having a 200 million dollar budget and being own by Tencent.

Colon capital V said:
He did address this in a previous video, in that while tech has made making art more accessible, "adding 9 women in a room won't make a baby come out faster" as he puts it, among other reasons for the bleeding costs of cartoon making.
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I guess I'll have to watch the videos then, because that doesn't make much sense. When animations was more expensive and time consuming to produce for a smaller audience, it was profitable, but now it's impossible?
 
I've been MATI over Glitch masturbating to their indie darling status since the Knights of Guinevere pre-release marketing, but this really seals the deal that they carry enough weight to have lost the ability to call themselves indie. They're only "independent" in the same sense that A24 is, and they too have crossed the threshold for me into just being another major film producer/distributor. It's satisfying seeing all the good will they've built up getting scorched this fast, but weird that this specifically is the thing that's peaking people the hardest out of any of the other stupid shit they've done over the past year or so. Doesn't help that sweepers like ayylmaotv keep muddying up the water as to what's nothingburger sperging and what's an actual controversy worth holding Glitch accountable for.
 
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Judge Dredd said:
We're just a wittle indie dev doing our best, just give us a chawce uwu
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samuraicrack said:
That is literally Glitch’s whole brand lmao. Please take the they/them cock out of your mouth
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i've noticed multiple petitions on change.org for showings of TADC
this one has a video



this one wants all the social media apps to somehow ban spoilers? lol

Fans of The Amazing Digital Circus are extremely excited about the upcoming theatrical screenings (June 4–7) and the official online release of the finale on June 19th. However, the current gap between the theatrical release and the online premiere creates a serious risk of spoilers spreading across social media platforms like TikTok, X, YouTube, and Instagram before many fans are able to watch the episode. Because this show has a large, highly active global fanbase, major story moments are likely to be shared online immediately after the theatrical screenings. This means fans who cannot attend theaters may unintentionally have key parts of the finale spoiled for them over a nearly two-week period. This petition is NOT meant to cancel or change the release strategy. Instead, it is a respectful request to encourage stronger spoiler prevention and communication efforts around this release, such as:

 • Clear official spoiler warnings for theatrical audiences • Encouraging fans and attendees not to post spoilers online • Coordinated messaging across platforms to protect the viewing experience • Any additional steps that help reduce early spoiler spread The goal is to ensure that all fans—whether they see the episode in theaters or wait for the online release—can experience the finale fairly without having important moments ruined. We deeply appreciate the work of GLITCH Productions and everything they’ve done for this series. This petition comes from a place of excitement and care for the community, not criticism.

gonna keep an eye on these. could have some good content.
 
Judge Dredd said:
I haven't watched the video, but does it mention anime at all?

Asking because I keep seeing how this medium is unviable or that format is impossible to profit from, and I don't buy it. Largely because technology makes things faster, cheaper, and higher quality, but I people keep pointing to shit and claiming that because it's not making money the medium is doomed.
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No, it was about spindlehorse / hazbin but anime isn't that much better. Animation exists to promote the real money makers that is overpriced weeb shit.

The idea that the technology makes everything faster, cheaper is something the video mentions and explains how it doesnt apply to everything. Explanation next:

There is an economic phenomenon called "Baumol's cost disease" or Baumol effect that says creative labor cannot become more productive with technology on the same speed that manufacturing does.

You can improve school but you can't make people finish it faster. You can make a hospital equipment twice as better but it you cannot treat people twice as fast because doctors are still working at the same speed.

These thigns don't deliver faster results but wages increase to match with broader economy so it keeps getting more expensive.

Animation tools got "democratized" but skilled labor didn't. You have a lot more animators but a lot more garbage, thus the bigger talents get more expensive, and if you want to make good animation you need talent.

It's like this myth that anime only looks bad because they "didn't give enough budget". No, it looked bad because the animators are bad. This relates to budget because bad animators are cheaper.

RWBY for example started with terrible animation and models but it was carried by Monty Oum making crazy good 3D fight scenes. After he died the budget increased and characters actually walk like humans but the fights are much worse cause they had no one on his level.

Either way animation is not profitable. The reference price of consumable animation is zero and will stay zero as long as youtube, newgrounds and pirate sites exists. The profit comes from selling real products aka the merchandise.

But, IMO, we are reaching a new age of animation where the corporation will actually value the artist due to their pre-existing fandom.

Like, Hazbin would not be produced without Amazon and it's only because it already had a large fanbase that buys plushies. That being said, vivienne seems to have creative control because Amazon actually trusts her enough. Smiling Friends too, was obviously only picked due to the creator's online reputation, but they still did the cartoon they wanted, and everyone liked that.

On one hand, it's nice that we can have balance of creative freedom and corporate greed (on paper?). On the other had, this is going to wreck the competition as small creators and original ideas will be discarded for big names and IPs (more than usual).

But we won't have nice things until the internet stops using "muh indie" as a shield and claiming shit like hazbin hotel as indie or, as some lunatics call it, "indie hibrid". A cartoon can be a toy commercial and still be good and have artistic merit, you don't have to pretend it's "indie".
 
LucasSomething said:
On the other had, this is going to wreck the competition as small creators and original ideas will be discarded for big names and IPs (more than usual).
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Except the opposite is happening.

Big IPs are dying and new IP, often from single creators or indie teams, are thriving.

LucasSomething said:
A cartoon can be a toy commercial and still be good and have artistic merit, you don't have to pretend it's "indie".
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And people have stop pretending a toy line (or any other merch) suddenly makes something not-indie. Because-

LucasSomething said:
But we won't have nice things until the internet stops using "muh indie" as a shield
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The term indie is going to end up meaningless if people keep shifting the definition in an attempt to win internet slap fights.
 
Colon capital V said:
It reminds me of how cartoons from the 70s - 80s were specifically designed as toy commercials for kids as a way for companies to skirt around laws regarding product placements in shows for minors, which funnily enough some would consider those periods as the "dark ages" of western animation.
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Ok but shit like he man, gi joe, and transformers were actually fun cartoons on top of being made to sell toys.

Anyways the merch for this is less toys and more "collectibles". Vinyl and pvc figurines and plushies and for some reason an entire wardrobe of shitty expensive jax themed clothes. All in adult size. I don't consider them on the same level as the other actually aimed at kids toys.
Slap47 said:
One of the characters is going to use their newfound manifest/imagination powers to jerk off.
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Zooble will re-manifest their evil clone and have sex with it offscreen spawning in 50 mini zooblets I'm calling it here I'm getting the vision beamed into my brain formt he future NOW
Bruno Powroznik said:
The glitch CEO put out a statement about the two week gap between releases

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The fact that even the head creative behind the show was pissed about this says the level of jewwing at play here. It's funny because it's fucking obvious more and more that TADC is their ONE big fucking hit and if this finale ends up just being sequel bait shit for some spinoff on top of everything else instead of being proper closure it's gonna fucking blow the fuck up in their face. Sure they'll still have the garbage clickbait people on their side that don't get basic fucking storytelling and comedy gags but is it really worth it? REALLY?

I mean yeah this is the guy that turned mario machinimas into weird original the character sludge spam before moving on to pulling in people from other places online so I guess it's par for the course BUT STILL
 
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