The Amazing Digital Circus - Western Isekai that probably will become Hazbin Hotel killer

The Lawgiver said:
Nigga people were pointing out since when the characters were first shown off and the one guy was a giant fucking mouth for a head perpetually eating his own eyes
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Niggerphobe said:
As long as they keep out their fetish and the shows good I don’t care
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Professor G. Raff said:
I watched the pilot and I thought it was fine enough, in some ways it feels very baby's first creepy webseries but also does have some pretty charming aspects and you can't ever diss the visual artistry of projects like this. I'd seen some of Gooseworx stuff before and for whatever reason it didn't cross my mind that he was a tranny... I don't know why, "female" creators who mainly represent themselves through their avatars are almost always troons. Whatever, as long as he doesn't insert the fetish shit (they are also always into fetish shit... but maybe that is redundant when describing troons) I'll continue to give the show a chance until it unravels enough to decide if it's worthwhile or just wasted potential.
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Alexander II of Russia said:
I really really want this show to succeed, I actually liked the pilot and was a bit of fresh air on what western animation can provide at this point in time, but seeing all of this information makes me worry about the future of this show.

If Gooseworx is intelligent about this, he will keep the weird troon fetish away and focus on making a good plot. But that is a biiig "If".
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Granted, a lot of these posts were hopeful. It's kind of funny to see which ones back at the beginning aged like milk.
 
This is why modern animators should NEVER EVER talk publicly to fans on social media. Giving fans the tiniest inch of attention is enough for the mentally ill to attack you for not supporting current thing.
 
Chilson said:
-"stretch it out to five seasons of filler episodes"
-4 1/2 of the last 7 episodes have been nothing but filler

The tranny is also the writer with an insane amount of creative control and could choose to NOT write filler bullshit.
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Why is filler even considered bad? When a show doesn't have it, the pacing becomes schizophrenic because needing every episode to have importance is just tiring, doubly so in a comedic setting.

"Filler is bad" was true in anime when there were entire seasons of filler back to back.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
"Filler is bad" was true in anime when there were entire seasons of filler back to back.
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tbh there's some anime filler I really dig, like Naruto
I was on the Naruto train before there was an anime, and when it was still Ninja Kids Having Ninja Adventures At Ninja School, and was really digging the big Hogwarts cast, so when the anime rolled around I had a hard time getting fucks to give about re-watching the comic but paced like, a page an hour or whatever.
But the filler stuff gets all the randos who have a story and a half of appearances a chance to shine
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Why is filler even considered bad? When a show doesn't have it, the pacing becomes schizophrenic because needing every episode to have importance is just tiring, doubly so in a comedic setting.

"Filler is bad" was true in anime when there were entire seasons of filler back to back.
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Filler has its place for when things need to slow down and have a bit of levity, but when most of your show is filler bullshit then it becomes a slow and tedious experience with very little consequence and therefore little viewer investment.
 
Chilson said:
-"stretch it out to five seasons of filler episodes"
-4 1/2 of the last 7 episodes have been nothing but filler

The tranny is also the writer with an insane amount of creative control and could choose to NOT write filler bullshit.
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It's insane how little has happened in this show

Gooseworx wanted to make a horror show about people trapped in a computer simulation then got bored after the first episode and turned it into a slice of life workplace comedy.
 
The whole Goose-crashing-out-and-fans-making-a-fan-week thing shows how emotionally dysregulated they all are. Like, actually think about what happened:
>Goose chose to go into a fan space (the subreddit for the show)
>Goose chose to respond to long-form criticism from a fan
>the fan contradicted Goose’s rebuttal in a perfectly civil manner
>because the fan didn’t realize they were talking to the creator (since it was a fan space) they didn’t include a bunch of obsequious fanboy sycophantic disclaimers to their (again, reasonable) critique and rebuttal
>Goose crashes out, DFE, and has an autistic meltdown because one person somewhere online didn’t like his narrative decisions

>Goose deletes his account during his freak-out
>fans make up a false narrative where poor Goose was accosted by a lynch mob of “toxic fans”, and shut down anyone who says this is an overreaction. Why? Because “she’s a transwoman, bigot”.
>never mind the fact that the original inciting criticism was from a (likely) Person of Pronouns who plays along with Gooseworx’s gender delusions
>the same people who would have made up the most belligerent Steven Universe fans ten years ago scream about how they’re not like those “toxic Steven Universe Fans”
>the same whining parasocial fan-retards make 40,000 videos (archive) about Goose (archive) being “harassed” (archive unavailable), and how they personally are a Good Fan™
>seriously there’s so many of these fucking videos I had to pick and choose which ones to link and archive before giving up
>they’re all like ten minutes long and I haven’t even linked them all; it’s insane and inane

>Glitch Productions slaps Goose upside the head, tells him to stop being a hyperbolic retard, and issues a statement
>Goose realizes that their boss is right and con-sneeds they were being… well, “hysterical” isn’t the right word because he’s a man, but you get what I mean
>the same Good Fans™ start haranguing the Redditor who contradicted their Tranny Animator Führer

>the same Good Fans™ make a whole week coddling poor Goose and telling him how great he is
>Goose knows that he overreacted to a single milquetoast criticism and really doesn’t deserve a week of singular support and says so

>retards like Viv, the creator of Hazbin Hotel, and that animator Nirami (archive) cry about how poor Goose was subject to misogyny like a true and honest woman
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Archive and source are not available because I found these screenshots on Reddit. Apologies.
The way Viv keeps going “WOMEN AMIRITE WOMEN” in all caps reminds me of that HRHCollection bit where she keeps saying “WOMEN?1?1?1” in an increasingly silly voice. Except Viv is dead serious.
>even though the “harassment” was a single comment that made him flip out and he immediately got an overwhelming display of parasocial simpery
>and the hatred of Viv and other (actually) female creators consists of hours-long hate videos
>but you see Goose is the True (and Honest!) Woman and the Once and Future Victim
>ignore his weird fetish art
Goose had a completely unhinged reaction to a singular instance of mild criticism from someone who is - under all other circumstances - their fan and of their political leanings. Goose had enough self-awareness and guidance from Glitch Productions to con-sneed this fact. A legion of retarded fanboys and animation peers took this gigantic nothingburger as proof that Fans Are Bad and that They Are Good and that they totally see Goose as a brilliant artiste and Superior Woman. Goose had a bad moment, corrected himself, and then piles of faggots tripped over themselves to dramatize the story for their own self-aggrandizement.

And now a small phalanx of children are writing posts and drawing fanart to soothe the feelings of a grown man in his thirties after a single bit of constructive criticism. Because that’s what happens when women are mistreated in the animation industry - legions of content creators run interference and piles of children wipe away their tears.

No wonder Goose is embarrassed. Honestly, him recognizing he freaked out, apologizing, and taking issue with this appreciation week is very becoming on his part. He had a bad day, self-corrected, and is obviously embarrassed by this absurd week-long tranny-dick-sucking contest. These children need to go outside and animators and animation-related content creators need to have their mouths stapled shut. I gotta give props to Goose for not leaning into this victim narrative. Too bad he (apparently) deleted the comment explicitly stating that. I would have respected him more if he didn’t. But nah, gotta make sure you get more social media engagement for your media franchise.
 
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That's actually a really good summarization of the entire drama, good job.

Mystery Spy said:
I liked your essay because it’s well-thought-out and I agree with it majorly. As much as I am critical, I do think Gooseworx has talent, and The Amazing Digital Circus does deserve its success.

But even after reading all of that, I still wouldn’t call it "adult."

There is a famous cartoon that also deals with the harsh realities of working fast food. We see, in nearly every episode, a depressed, nearly suicidal cashier who is reminded every day of how his dreams will never be realized; a cook who can only cope because he is too naive to see he is being exploited; and a fast-food boss who literally thinks a dollar is worth more than his employees.

You might have heard of it: it’s called SpongeBob SquarePants, and it airs on Nickelodeon.

If anything, kids' shows having little moments that hit harder for adults while the kids laugh at the hip, silly jokes is standard for children's animation.
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smithfield btfo lmao

imagine getting MOGGED by spongebob


And also, to give my two cents on the filler discussion, I heavily disagree, we don't need any more pointless stuff that wastes our time, especially for an indie production like Glitch where every episode they make is a project into itself, I heard that an MD episode costs about 200k-300k per episode to make, TADC is probably lower with the more innately budget-friendly animation and artstyle, but probably still incurs substantial costs for Glitch.

What we need is more time for the other characters to breathe and develop their character arcs in a good, reasonable pace before concluding in a satisfying, fitting manner, 3 characters have already fallen victim to how little attention they were given for the arc they were written for (Zooble, Gangle, and Ragatha), now I dont know how this would have been done in 9 episodes, but I do remember Gooseworx saying that was the limit he placed on himself, he could have done a 12 episode season to better pace the story, but I suspect he thought that scale was too far above his skills as a first-time showrunner.

Still, even if he settled on 12 episodes, I think this show would have still suffered the same issues as right now, he hyperfixated far too much on Jax while rushing everyone else's character development, he really should not have been speaking so much about his still-ongoing show, because it created so much false expectations, if he made it clear it was Jax and Pomni from the start, with the other characters being SIDE characters with no major arcs of their own, people wouldn't really have the same criticisms that made him crash out for a few days.
 
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I'm pretty sure ED showed a image of them sending porn to a minor which someone brought up before, and it was never addressed afaik.
 
I already don't have very good opinions about the current indie animation space, and hearing about Goose's drama in passing, I got curious and came here because every video I saw covering it felt kinda biased. Jesus fucking Christ. I don't think most of those people actually care about the drama. They just want to be on the winning side of an argument, and used Twitter and Reddit's already murky reputation to paint the whole thing in Goose's favour.

Good on Goose for calming the fuck down and realizing their mistakes, absolute shame on those white-knighting pricks who wanted to look progressive and smart, while spreading horribly biased misinformation to the common folk
 
Aquarius said:
a single bit of constructive criticism.
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It's driving me insane how literally ONE piece of valid criticism is being turned into "HORDES OF HARASSMENT AND DEATH THREATS!!1" I feel like I'm being gaslighted.
BigJoey41X said:
And also, to give my two cents on the filler discussion, I heavily disagree, we don't need any more pointless stuff that wastes our time
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I think, ideally, "filler" wouldn't be a waste of time. Low-stakes episodes that have character development alongside something to enjoy are what make us care about the characters and provide padding for the big stuff. Back when shows had 26 episode seasons by default, most of the episodes were filler (at least in Western media, I'm not a weeaboo so I can't comment on anime.)
One of the best examples I can think of for a filler-majority season of a cartoon show is season 4 of MLP. The writers said ahead of time they were trying to do a "season-long adventure arc," and even if it could've been more fluid, they kinda did. The season premiere was a two-parter establishing a locked box for the characters to unlock, there were 5 episodes where characters earned their keys, then the season finale was a two-parter where they unlocked the box and saved the day. The arc looks like this when you highlight just those episodes:
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That leaves 17 episodes of filler where nothing related to the finale happens, but those episodes are great! We get really good new songs, establish new recurring characters, pre-existing characters are further developed, there are really funny and memorable moments, and none of it feels like a waste of time. That's what filler ought to be; stuff that reminds us why we like this show in the first place, why these characters matter beyond just "they're the ones that got picked by fate to save the day."
That's the worst part of all these modern cartoons getting 6-12 episodes to tell their stories. They're essentially limited to the time limit of a movie with maybe a quarter of the budget and the time constraints of television production. It's like someone deliberately picked the worst parts of all productions to make the shittiest way to tell a story ever. Cartoons deserve more episodes to have "filler," to expand on why we should care about characters, to give us more time with them, more stuff to actually enjoy. Not just rush us out the door with a half-finished product so we can get over it quickly enough to come back for the next half-finished product.
 
BigJoey41X said:
And also, to give my two cents on the filler discussion, I heavily disagree, we don't need any more pointless stuff that wastes our time, especially for an indie production like Glitch where every episode they make is a project into itself, I heard that an MD episode costs about 200k-300k per episode to make, TADC is probably lower with the more innately budget-friendly animation and artstyle, but probably still incurs substantial costs for Glitch.

What we need is more time for the other characters to breathe and develop their character arcs in a good, reasonable pace before concluding in a satisfying, fitting manner, 3 characters have already fallen victim to how little attention they were given for the arc they were written for (Zooble, Gangle, and Ragatha), now I dont know how this would have been done in 9 episodes, but I do remember Gooseworx saying that was the limit he placed on himself, he could have done a 12 episode season to better pace the story, but I suspect he thought that scale was too far above his skills as a first-time showrunner.

Still, even if he settled on 12 episodes, I think this show would have still suffered the same issues as right now, he hyperfixated far too much on Jax while rushing everyone else's character development, he really should not have been speaking so much about his still-ongoing show, because it created so much false expectations, if he made it clear it was Jax and Pomni from the start, with the other characters being SIDE characters with no major arcs of their own, people wouldn't really have the same criticisms that made him crash out for a few days.
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But the thing is, filler is literally the time for other characters to breath and develop. If every episode needs to be "X's special episode" then you never get relations between different characters that don't get out of their clique. Like have an episode with Gangle and Kinger on an adventure so you know how they work together.

Plus it's a comedy, I'd rather the whole series be funny episodes than a pointless mystery since from day one it was obvious they'll pull the "no physical bodies" card.
 
Is there a name for something like this I could swear I heard a term that could explain this situation
 
Trollblade69 said:
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Seems Goose still isn't out of her funk.
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I love how around the start of the series this retard was trying to be positive and even wrangle their fanbase a bit trying to make sure things stayed positive.
It's just so funny to go from that to this. :story:

This is why trying to tard wrangle your entire audience is a fool's errand, especially if you're a paper skinned tranny.

EDIT: For those that forgot around the time the series was still starting out like somewhere around episode 1 and 2 this faggot was going on about how this fandom won't have as much drama as the Murder Drones fandom did! And he was right! It had even more! :lit:
Also posted shit akin to "If you guys cause trouble like the MD fandom I'm gonna run you over with my car!" or some dumb unfunny bullshit like that. ect.
 
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Bob Barbas said:
I love how around the start of the series this retard was trying to be positive and even wrangle their fanbase a bit trying to make sure things stayed positive.
It's just so funny to go from that to this. :story:

This is why trying to tard wrangle your entire audience is a fool's errand, especially if you're a paper skinned tranny.
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IIRC he did show signs of exhaustion earlier, like "Can someone else's work get popular?" or something.
 
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