Culture The Bible doesn't fit an Information Age

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By Russell Moore

I recommended the Gospel of Mark to an unbeliever. He read it and found it “creepy.” That’s exactly the response I wanted.

This young man is probably an atheist or an agnostic but has lived in such a secular environment that he doesn’t seem to think of himself in such terms, any more than you would introduce yourself as “non-cannibalistic” or “anti-horse-theft.” He wanted, though, to try to understand—just as an intellectual exercise—why someone would hold to religious views or practices he finds alien.

He asked what he should read in order to do that. There are, of course, many places I would send such a person, but to him I said, “Why don’t you read the Gospel of Mark? Don’t worry about whether you understand it all; just read through it.”

I later ran into the secularist again, and he reported that he had taken my advice. “So, what did you think?” I asked.

He said he was conflicted. Reading the Gospel was, on the one hand, narratively gripping in a way that he hadn’t expected, supposing an ancient religious text would be preachy and propagandistic. On the other hand, he said, “It was kind of creepy.” And that’s when he brought up Cixin Liu’s The Three-Body Problem.

This man knew that I had read the science fiction novel last year—and that I had done so reluctantly. A trusted friend had recommended the book to me with a warning: “Don’t give up. You will feel like you don’t know what’s going on and you’ll want to put it down. Keep reading and, you’ll see, it will all pay off in the end.” My unbelieving conversation partner had not read the book but he had watched some of the Netflix adaptation of it, 3 Body Problem.

Mild spoilers here: in both the book and the series, an alien civilization communicates with human scientists through a virtual reality gaming headset. The scientists are put in scenarios where they must solve the gravity fluctuations that are plunging the distant world into unpredictable periods of chaos and calm.

“At times, it was kind of like playing those games,” the young man said about reading Mark. “It was almost as though someone was on the other side, watching me.”

By that, he meant particularly that the “character” (his word) of Jesus in the text sometimes seemed to be written in a way that felt unexpectedly immediate. “Sometimes I had to remind myself that I wasn’t right there in the middle of everything. That kind of freaked me out a little bit.”

Although virtual reality aliens were not on my mind, this reaction was exactly what I had been hoping for when I’d recommended that he read Mark.

Usually if I’m helping someone “get” what Christianity is, I ask them to read the Gospel of John. With someone like this, though—who I don’t know if I’ll ever get to follow up with—I’ll suggest Mark, partly because it’s concise and relatively easy to read.

I also do this because of a story I heard years ago. If I remember right, a man who had been some sort of New Age Eastern religionist, the kind found often in the hippie countercultural movements of the 1960s and 1970s, became a Christian because a professor in his comparative religion class assigned the Gospel of Mark. Like the young man, he was drawn to the figure of Jesus and started to feel as though he was not only reading the text but that he was being beckoned from the other side of it.

Leon Wieseltier argues that we have too much emphasis on “storytelling” right now—that this leads to a loss of arguments, of persuasion. “Storytelling is designed to inculcate certain responses, certain mental stances, in the listener. They are passivity, credulity, wonder,” Wieseltier writes. “All of them are stances of surrender.”

This, of course, denies that there are important truths one can only see from stances of passivity, credulity, wonder, and even surrender.

Philosopher Byung-Chul Han agrees that we should be worried about how much we hear about storytelling, but that’s because—however much we talk about it—we’ve lost the ability to tell and to hear an actual story.

“We tell fewer and fewer stories in our everyday lives,” Han argues in his new book The Crisis of Narration, because “communication takes the form of the exchange of information.” In an information age, Han writes, an actual story is a disruption. Information, after all, is direct, controllable, and consumable. A story works a different way. A story requires that, in order to be experienced, some information must be withheld as well as revealed.

“Withheld information—that is, a lack of explanation—heightens narrative tension,” Han writes. “Information pushes to the margins those events that cannot be explained but only narrated. A narrative often has something wondrous and mysterious around its edges.” That kind of mystery is startlingly rare in an era of algorithms.

Part of our problem is that we find a plot unsettling in an information age, especially if we start to see our lives as part of that plot. That’s what Han finds diminishing about algorithms. We consume bits of disconnected data—curated by our curiosities and our appetites—to the point that we no longer feel surprise. Reality itself starts to feel dead, like so much abstract data. The deadness brings forth more deadness.

“Bits of information are like specks of dust, not seeds of grain,” he writes. “They lack germinal force. Once they are registered, they immediately sink into oblivion.” The metaphor immediately brought to mind Jesus’ own words: “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit” (John 12:24, ESV throughout).

Journalist David Samuels laments that we now live in the flatness of a time when story and song are hollowed out by Big Data, replaced by “consuming pornography and propaganda.”

“The goal of their governing algorithms isn’t to create beauty, or anything human; it’s to suck out your brains and then to slice and dice them into bits that can be analyzed and sold off to corporations and governments, which are fast becoming the same thing; it’s a mass mutilation of the human,” Samuels writes. “What that sounds like in practice is like a car alarm that keeps going off, at a higher and higher pitch—a sound that has no meaning in itself, except as a warning that something has been shattered.”

Maybe the three-body problemof it all is not the Bible but the rest of life. On the other side of our digital lives are intelligences seeking to question us—nameless, faceless algorithms designed to test us with just one question, “What do you want?” What if, though, our boredom and malaise are themselves signs that we weren’t meant to live like this?

Jesus said that this is a key reason he taught in parables, “because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand” (Matt. 13:13). A story requires a certain kind of participation, a certain lack of control. One must be prepared for, and often through, the story to hear what it is saying. One must be baffled enough to suspend control, to feel the tension, in order to not just share information but to experience something true. Without that sense of bafflement and mystery, a story lacks the ability to astonish and to linger.

Think, for instance, of the Gospel of John’s very familiar account of Jesus’ multiplication of the loaves and fishes—a miraculous sign so important that all the Gospels reference it. We tend to remember that there was a crowd of thousands, that there was not enough to eat, and that Jesus provided a feast from almost nothing. What most people don’t think about when recalling that story, however, is just how Jesus sets up the occurrence.

“Lifting up his eyes, then, and seeing that a large crowd was coming toward him, Jesus said to Philip, ‘Where are we to buy bread, so that these people may eat?’” John records. “He said this to test him, for he himself knew what he would do” (6:5–6).

He himself knew what he would do. The question itself—the kind of momentary perplexity it would create in Philip—was Jesus’ intention. It’s the same pattern God followed with the tribes of Israel in the wilderness after the Exodus. Moses said to them: “And he humbled you and let you hunger and fed you with manna, which you did not know, nor did your fathers know, that he might make you know that man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord” (Deut. 8:3).

Jesus does not just intend to feed; he intends that we would first “hunger and thirst for righteousness” (Matt. 5:6). He did not simply intend to rescue Peter from drowning, but also that Peter would experience what it was like to go under water, to cry out and to feel a hand pulling him up (Matt. 14:30–31).

Jesus’ encounter with us in Scripture is meant to work the same way. We too are meant to find ourselves exclaiming with the Capernaum synagogue, “What is this? A new teaching with authority!” (Mark 1:27). We are meant to start asking the question, “Why does this man speak like that?” (Mark 2:7). We are meant to hear, as though addressed directly to us, “But who do you say that I am?” (Mark 8:29).

When one finds authority amid the algorithms, revelation among the consumption, that can feel creepy—just as after a time of starvation, the smell of baking bread can seem nauseating. It’s not those who find all this strange who are not “getting it” but rather those who find it all familiar and boring. That’s what a plot does, but it’s especially what a plot breathed out by the Spirit of Christ does, a plot in which we are meant to hear the voice of a Shepherd (John 10:4).

What if someone on the other side of those ancient words knows that you’re there? What if, in those words, you can almost hear the Galilean-accented voice that once disrupted the plotlines of some fishermen by saying, “Follow me”? What if it’s speaking to you? If so, finding that disturbingly strange isn’t the end of the story, but it’s a good place to start.
 
Saying the bible is obsolete nonsense isn't disruptive, it's true. Cling to the myths of old as much as you like, but it doesn't make them true.
Understanding the general teachings of the Bible and the Church (along with the history of Christianity) is important for understanding global history and some contemporary geopolitics; if you're ignorant of what Christians believe and why, you're going to struggle to understand the ways in which the Puritans shaped early America with their Calvinist beliefs, or some of the context for The Troubles in Northern Ireland.

Having a vague knowledge of stories and quotes from the Bible is also important to understanding the Western literary canon, which is why it's often recommended on English Literature courses. Everything from Macduff's quote in Macbeth, "The queen that bore thee, oftener on her knees than on her feet, died every day she lived", to the significance of Steinbeck's choice in titles like "The Grapes of Wrath" or "East of Eden", to the additional context Uriah Heep in David Copperfield. Good luck understanding Milton's Paradise Lost without knowing about the Bible.

It's like understanding what's going on in parts of the Middle East - you need to know what hadiths are, and why Sunnis and Shias have different hadiths, to have a baseline understanding (even if you don't need to have read the Hadiths or the Qur'an in their entirety).
 
Say what you want about the Bible but you can pinpoint the start of Clown World to when churches started being infiltrated and subverted by demons. It's no coincidence that one of the first things you take out when you try to subvert or enslave a nation is to destroy their religious beliefs.

The Bible never held anyone back from anything except from becoming the monsters we have today.

At various points in history, civilizations have thrived both without the Bible and without men in lipstick teaching kids how to put a condom on a banana.
 
This article makes more sense if you know that Russell Moore's sole purpose is to destroy Christianity from the inside and turn it into another useless postmodern construct. He's been quite successful at it. His focus on "stories" is straight from CRT and it makes no sense to tell an unbeliever to read Mark and not John or Luke. I also find his lack of interest in finding out if the guy is an atheist or an agnostic odd. It does make a difference.
 
The bible is bronze age nonsense
Why do people say stuff like this is some sort of worthy argument? Our whole system of time and a lot of our geometry go back to practically the copper age, yet nobody demands we switch to more modern Metric time just because seconds and hours are literally Sumerian. It's no different than idiot leftists arguing that the Constitution is old and needs revising for the modern world.

It's such a non-argument. Old does not mean wrong. If anything, most new ideas tend to be untested garbage or wholly destructive. The old ways got old because they worked. And just about nothing has been as tested as the Bible as far a basic way of forming a stable society.

And if you actually read the Bible, you'll find it's largely filled with very timely advice for the modern world. Like, be especially wary of older women who want to fuck behind their husband's back; they'll hit you with a false rape accusation out of spite if you turn them down and try to get you killed. That couldn't be any more fitting for modern times.

Or Jesus telling off that chick with too many ex-husbands to stop interrupting him hitting on the young gals at the well. Or Sampson teaching you that hot women with expensive tastes will betray you at the first opportunity. Or how nothing destabilizes a society faster than weak men and putting women into positions of political power. Or how women who are too into horoscopes and occult tumblr bullshit are nutjobs who should be avoided at all costs.

To say nothing of the advice about sodomites. The Bible is chockfull of useful information for the modern man. I'd say it's more useful today than ever, as most of these problems were fairly rare 2000+ years ago, but now they're a daily obstacle.
 
, be especially wary of older women who want to fuck behind their husband's back; they'll hit you with a false rape accusation out of spite if you turn them down and try to get you killed.
Joseph son of Jacob was history's first #MeToo victim.

he Bible is chockfull of useful information for the modern man. I'd say it's more useful today than ever, as most of these problems were fairly rare 2000+ years ago, but now they're a daily obstacle.
"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." - 2 Timothy 4:3-4. Paul warns us about postmodernism almost 2000 years ago.
 
It's such a non-argument. Old does not mean wrong. If anything, most new ideas tend to be untested garbage or wholly destructive. The old ways got old because they worked
This is one of the things that really pisses me off about the modern world. The idea that the old is inherently wrong and the new is inherently right simply because it’s new. You see it everywhere but this has corrupted science as well. The previous idea was of standing on the shoulders of giants to see a bit further - you acknowledged the weight of knowledge behind you and sought to add a bit, or even challenge a bit, that’s fine too, but it was there. Nowadays science has turned into a false god all of its own.
Planned obsolescence would be another example, or fast fashion. I don’t want a new pair of boots twice a year. I want really good ones that fit my feet, are made using tested techniques and can be repaired by a human being.
Culturally it’s been a disaster. This queer theory/year zero crossover that’s going on is nightmarish. Without a history and roots a people are seriously weakened. The Bible is a huge part of our cultural tradition and even an atheist should be able to accept that.
 
At various points in history, civilizations have thrived both without the Bible and without men in lipstick teaching kids how to put a condom on a banana.
True, though I can't think of any that were made better by the introduction of the latter.

And before you start: Aztecs. There's more, just don't.
 
Why do people say stuff like this is some sort of worthy argument? Our whole system of time and a lot of our geometry go back to practically the copper age, yet nobody demands we switch to more modern Metric time just because seconds and hours are literally Sumerian. It's no different than idiot leftists arguing that the Constitution is old and needs revising for the modern world.

It's such a non-argument. Old does not mean wrong. If anything, most new ideas tend to be untested garbage or wholly destructive. The old ways got old because they worked. And just about nothing has been as tested as the Bible as far a basic way of forming a stable society.

And if you actually read the Bible, you'll find it's largely filled with very timely advice for the modern world. Like, be especially wary of older women who want to fuck behind their husband's back; they'll hit you with a false rape accusation out of spite if you turn them down and try to get you killed. That couldn't be any more fitting for modern times.

Or Jesus telling off that chick with too many ex-husbands to stop interrupting him hitting on the young gals at the well. Or Sampson teaching you that hot women with expensive tastes will betray you at the first opportunity. Or how nothing destabilizes a society faster than weak men and putting women into positions of political power. Or how women who are too into horoscopes and occult tumblr bullshit are nutjobs who should be avoided at all costs.

To say nothing of the advice about sodomites. The Bible is chockfull of useful information for the modern man. I'd say it's more useful today than ever, as most of these problems were fairly rare 2000+ years ago, but now they're a daily obstacle.
The New Testament is a bunch of race-denying globohomo nonsense like Galatians 3:28 and the Old Testament gives loony advice like the need to mutilate the penises of baby boys. So I'd say it's very applicable to the modern world since all our modern religions like communism and globalism trace directly back to the Bible and its sick anti-human decrees. The Bible doesn't fit anywhere outside of a synagogue or a yeshiva.
 
@Save the Loli
I politely agree to disagree with you, if you take a literal interpretive, I agree; however, if you look at the underlaying messages of fellowship, forgiveness, patience, love, devotion and mercy, then it not only has a place, but should be a foundation for every era of mankind. Maybe don't call it the Bible but maybe "How to be a decent human." The book itself is an individual take on a collective message, while there are aspects of the individual take that are not really applicable outside of the take, just like the concept of Hell Money outside of China isn't really applicable, the underlaying message is pretty much universal, and again, should be the very foundational coding for Humanity and Civilization.

However, most people just want something to shit on, without going in full monty with their shittery, if you wish to remove the individualist sections of one particular sect, you must also be willing to do it for all. If you are not, then you are not truly dedicated to your cause, and you're just particularly bigoted towards that one specific thing that yucks your yum. If that's the case, may I direct you to local Klan meeting? They are always looking for new members in their ranks who revel in ignorance of targeted bigotry of very specific things they personally don't like, and don't feel like looking at the nuances of the underlaying messages.
 
@Save the Loli
I politely agree to disagree with you, if you take a literal interpretive, I agree; however, if you look at the underlaying messages of fellowship, forgiveness, patience, love, devotion and mercy, then it not only has a place, but should be a foundation for every era of mankind. Maybe don't call it the Bible but maybe "How to be a decent human." The book itself is an individual take on a collective message, while there are aspects of the individual take that are not really applicable outside of the take, just like the concept of Hell Money outside of China isn't really applicable, the underlaying message is pretty much universal, and again, should be the very foundational coding for Humanity and Civilization.
And a lot of it's nonsense. Jesus wants you to be a weak little cuck and get stepped on, all so he can one day cast everyone he doesn't like into a lake of fire to suffer for an eternity. It's the same lunacy that drives people to give rapists and murderers a slap on the wrist because it's "Christlike" to forgive. It's not a religion for anyone besides Jews. The morality is largely irrelevant to modern society. Jesus was very correct to call his followers sheep.
However, most people just want something to shit on, without going in full monty with their shittery, if you wish to remove the individualist sections of one particular sect, you must also be willing to do it for all. If you are not, then you are not truly dedicated to your cause, and you're just particularly bigoted towards that one specific thing that yucks your yum. If that's the case, may I direct you to local Klan meeting? They are always looking for new members in their ranks who revel in ignorance of targeted bigotry of very specific things they personally don't like, and don't feel like looking at the nuances of the underlaying messages.
I do it for every religion. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are low-tier religions, which Christianity probably the lowest because Islam and Judaism remembered core realities like the concept of superior cultures and races. It's not relevant in this world and is the root of so much evil in society. When Christianity didn't do evil to a society, it was in direct contravention to the Bible like when medieval Christians decided it was okay to use the government to persecute people.
 
the OT is and has always been wrong. jews and catholics have distorted everything into that satanic collection of smud.
but its still important to read and its more important than ever...
Jews cutting boys dicks of and sucking on the stump? that sounds alot like what they do today, they just called it transrights and say we all should like it.
 
@Save the Loli
Again, I don't really disagree with you on the individual takes and interpretations, you're free to believe that; just as others are free to believe in what they believe in. The big take away is in the underlaying message "Don't be a massive prick" And while I applaud you in applying your application of "All religions in their individualistic takes are stupid" because it's quite brave in modern age to openly admit you're openly Anti Semitic, Islamaphobic, and Orthrodoxy bigoted, you must also do it for ALL religions, Bhuddism, Daoism, Hinduism, Wiccanism, Odinism, Atheism (which is a cult of religion in and of itself), etc.

You can't just say "Well, this particular thing yucks my yum, but the others are okay dokey" that's just bigotry, and while you're free to engage in that, especially on Kiwifarms, it makes you contradictory and a faggot. If you believe in applying it universally across all belief practices, but excise the underlaying message of "Don't be a massive prick" then you're just a massive prick who doesn't want a system of morals, you just want to swing your dick around without consequences.

There's a fine balance to it, that you can either choose to be balanced with, a giant prick about, or a bigot about; which again, you are free to be any of those, just don't expect people to kiss your ass and call you brave for your particular take, whatever it is.
 
Jesus wants you to be a weak little cuck and get stepped on, all so he can one day cast everyone he doesn't like into a lake of fire to suffer for an eternity. It's the same lunacy that drives people to give rapists and murderers a slap on the wrist because it's "Christlike" to forgive. It's not a religion for anyone besides Jews. The morality is largely irrelevant to modern society. Jesus was very correct to call his followers sheep.
The historical ignorance it takes to say this shit is profound.
 
Say what you want about the Bible but you can pinpoint the start of Clown World to when churches started being infiltrated and subverted by demons. It's no coincidence that one of the first things you take out when you try to subvert or enslave a nation is to destroy their religious beliefs.

The Bible never held anyone back from anything except from becoming the monsters we have today.
they had this problem since the OT. Paul and John wrote about contemporary heresies like "it ok to be lazy because rapture soon".
 
@Save the Loli
Again, I don't really disagree with you on the individual takes and interpretations, you're free to believe that; just as others are free to believe in what they believe in. The big take away is in the underlaying message "Don't be a massive prick" And while I applaud you in applying your application of "All religions in their individualistic takes are stupid" because it's quite brave in modern age to openly admit you're openly Anti Semitic, Islamaphobic, and Orthrodoxy bigoted, you must also do it for ALL religions, Bhuddism, Daoism, Hinduism, Wiccanism, Odinism, Atheism (which is a cult of religion in and of itself), etc.

You can't just say "Well, this particular thing yucks my yum, but the others are okay dokey" that's just bigotry, and while you're free to engage in that, especially on Kiwifarms, it makes you contradictory and a faggot. If you believe in applying it universally across all belief practices, but excise the underlaying message of "Don't be a massive prick" then you're just a massive prick who doesn't want a system of morals, you just want to swing your dick around without consequences.

There's a fine balance to it, that you can either choose to be balanced with, a giant prick about, or a bigot about; which again, you are free to be any of those, just don't expect people to kiss your ass and call you brave for your particular take, whatever it is.
You're talking to a /pol/fag with a loli avatar, he most likely thinks religion is bad because it doesn't allow to diddle kids even though it's heckin Aryan and baste.
 
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