The Boys Comic vs Amazon Version

[PeggieBigCock]

I think we all know why Mothers Milk origin story has to be bastardized, do I like the shoehorned cuckold replacement for it, no lol

 

[Nick Obre]

These talentless bags of shit better stay away from Transmetropolitan

Considering recent history, they WOULDN'T DARE adapt the sequence of events where Rebel journalist Spider works to bring down the president, The Beast, only for him to be replaced with The Smiler, who is infinitely worse.

 

[SITHRAK!]

Considering recent history, they WOULDN'T DARE adapt the sequence of events where Rebel journalist Spider works to bring down the president, The Beast, only for him to be replaced with The Smiler, who is infinitely worse.

Oh man don’t get me started down the ‘life imitates art’ path.

Let’s not forget that thirty years ago, cyberpunk predicted a future where life required a digital profile that made individuals’ data completely available to evil corporations and their government puppets; that the economic benefits of advanced technology served only to make the rich richer and not lift the common man out of poverty; and for everyone, no matter how poor, to be deluded into thinking themselves lucky for having portable electronic devices for internet access.

Who needs to read about cyberpunk dystopias when we already live in one?

I think we all know why Mothers Milk origin story has to be bastardized, do I like the shoehorned cuckold replacement for it, no lol

Killing people by shoving explosives up their ass, bestiality, rape, murder, degeneracy, drug abuse, all fine. Show an unintentional, multi-generational consequence of corporate indifference to worker safety and that’s where Rogen draws the line?

I don‘t buy it. I think the reason they cut it wasn’t squeamishness, it was that they didn’t want MM being obligated to Butcher, because they then have to revert to the main plot line of the book, which is Butcher’s story as seen by Hughie. Hughie is the reader-analog, someone through whose eyes we join The Boys without knowing quite what we’re getting into or what’s gone before. And Hughie’s focus naturally falls on Butcher as the core of the team and the man who recruited him.

Everything they do is trying to steer people away from Butcher’s story, which is retarded, because it’s the skeleton that everyone else’s back-story hangs off. No Butcher means no Boys, so Rogen’s seething envy and hatred of competent white men has done the screen adaptation no favors.

 

[Well Intentioned]

Oh man don’t get me started down the ‘life imitates art’ path.

It's kinda crazy just how much Ellis more or less predicted or showcased in Transmet that are a thing now. Like livestreaming being a thing (as evidenced with the wandering camera reporters for a TV station) as like one example.

Killing people by shoving explosives up their ass, bestiality, rape, murder, degeneracy, drug abuse, all fine. Show an unintentional, multi-generational consequence of corporate indifference to worker safety and that’s where Rogen draws the line?

I could be wrong but I got the vibe that it was more to do with Ennis' general portrayal of black people in comics vs the lawsuit and his father working himself to death. More the shit with his daughter/ex. I am actually amazed that no one has called him out for what has essentially been low-key racist depictions of black folks for years or, if they have, it hasn't really stuck.

But then again, having a retarded developmentally disabled black dude (MM's brother) die due to extreme tarding out might've been an issue, too.

 

[SITHRAK!]

Ennis' general portrayal of black people in comics vs the lawsuit and his father working himself to death. More the shit with his daughter/ex. I am actually amazed that no one has called him out for what has essentially been low-key racist depictions of black folks for years or, if they have, it hasn't really stuck.

But then again, having a retarded developmentally disabled black dude (MM's brother) die due to extreme tarding out might've been an issue, too.

MM (and his biological family) is far from a racist depiction, and what negative depictions of blacks there are in The Boys (Mr Potamus, MM’s ex, the crack dealer she was shacking up with and all his hangers-on) are on the basis of circumstance, not race.

I mean shhheeittt, The Deep is black in the comics, and that’s defying what the Olympics and World Swimming Championships have been implying about blacks and water based activities for years.

You might argue that the black superhero teams starting shit during that funeral might be racist but come on bro, you show me a kid’s birthday party in a Detroit park and I’ll show you two dead and three wounded after shots fired.

And MM’s brother died because the V manifested and he basically quadrupled in size in the space of a few seconds, with his skull being crushed by the helmet he was wearing. Had nothing to do with him being retarded, or black. Just one more shitty thing that happened to MM’s family because of Vought.

There are very few good people in The Boys (it’s kinda one of the main themes) so taking critique of the depictions of black people down the Racism path isn’t really fair or honest.

 

[Well Intentioned]

MM (and his biological family) is far from a racist depiction, and what negative depictions of blacks there are in The Boys (Mr Potamus, MM’s ex, the crack dealer she was shacking up with and all his hangers-on) are on the basis of circumstance, not race.

Yeah, again, talking about MM's ex and the crack dealer. Given how much St. Fentanyl of Minnesota has been deified do you really think having horribly "racist" and "negative" depictions of black people would fly?

You really think that a mainstream media outlet is going to get caught up on a bit of nuance re: circumstances/race?

I mean shhheeittt, The Deep is black in the comics, and that’s defying what the Olympics and World Swimming Championships have been implying about blacks and water based activities for years.

Yeah, and there's some great moments with him. Like when they suggested he get a new costume.

You might argue that the black superhero teams starting shit during that funeral might be racist but come on bro, you show me a kid’s birthday party in a Detroit park and I’ll show you two dead and three wounded after shots fired.

G-Coast or whatever they were is one example, yeah, and it's not a universal thing, either. Like, Maginty from the Punisher Max comics is depicted as being pretty cunning and sharp (although I don't know if that's Ennis' Irish pride creeping in there or what) or that military dude who was Morgan Freeman in all but name.

But he has a lot of black characters in general that could be seen by the usual gang of idiots as being "problematic racist caricatures" and it's over a long enough stretch that it isn't a one shot deal or something. The shit with MM, his ex and his daughter (and the crack dealer), the shit with the black X-Men parodies, how virtually all black criminals in the Punisher Max series are depicted as ebonics spouting gang bangers and are straight up interchangeable (even Barracuda, who is a great character, falls under this.)

Like, I get it. It makes sense and again, there are certain black characters that stand out. I'm just amazed someone hasn't tried to make a stink over it.

And MM’s brother died because the V manifested and he basically quadrupled in size in the space of a few seconds, with his skull being crushed by the helmet he was wearing. Had nothing to do with him being retarded, or black. Just one more shitty thing that happened to MM’s family because of Vought.

Ya, I was just making a joke. IIRC, the V manifesting happened like right after he got excited about something (or was he catching a football or frisbee or something? It's been a while since I've read the comics.)

There are very few good people in The Boys (it’s kinda one of the main themes) so taking critique of the depictions of black people down the Racism path isn’t really fair or honest.

Well, again, I'm talking more broadly (ie, not just the Boys) and how perceptions of Ennis' writing would come across from the usual shrill horde of assholes.

Yes, there are black people out there who act, behave and talk like that. But it's haram to call attention to that, be it in newsreporting (how many news outlets opt to not publish a suspect's race because it's 'furthering negative stereotypes'?) or in media. (Here's an article talking about how Tina Fey is fucking problematic in Current Year: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/12/30-rock-tina-fey-race-blackface )

All I'm saying is that there are certain segments of the public that would be "outraged" if certain things from the comic were adapted to the Amazon series.

 

[SITHRAK!]

certain segments of the public that would be "outraged" if certain things from the comic were adapted to the Amazon series

You aren’t wrong. Current_year demands that blaccpeepo’ are always depicted as helpless pawns in a game rigged so only whites are supposed to win. Totally without agency, their successes are due to grit, determination and willpower, and their failures are because of whypeepo’.

I’ll plant my flag on the ‘Ennis isn’t a racist’ hill all day long, but you‘re correct that the usual horde of dipshits would be outraged at black people being depicted as flawed in any way.

For fucks sake the show even had A-Train deliver a heartfelt apology only for Hughie to clock him, making the white guy whose girlfriend was killed the bad guy, and the drug-addled, reckless black guy who did it the good guy.

Loxism and Hebraic negro-fetish combining to destroy a white author’s story about a two-thirds white male team of morally-gray ‘good guys’? What are the fucking chances?

 

[Well Intentioned]

I’ll plant my flag on the ‘Ennis isn’t a racist’ hill all day long, but you correct that the usual horde of dipshits would be outraged at black people being depicted as flawed in any way.

Yeah, I'm not saying that Ennis is doing anything wrong, just that I'm surprised no one has tried raising a stink about it because of the appearance of racial impropriety. (But I guess that assumes folks actually reading or taking part in the hobbies they're injecting themselves into...)

I think Ennis is a pretty progressive dude. His heart bleeds, but it's also steeped in a dark/pragmatic view of the world. Alternatively, you could say he's pessimistic about the world in general but is ridiculously optimistic. His love of the 'American dream' and his general love of America from Hitman all the way up to Butcher virtually simping for the USA comes across as really respectful/sincere. But nuance is lost on these retards.

 

[PeggieBigCock]

LMFAO miss me with that Trump allegory kikes

 

[Heckler1]

Garth Ennis is the Vince Russo of writers. When he has a wrangler to curtain some of his edgier instincts I think he can produce quality work. That being said, I prefer the show to the comics, even if the show suffers from not having a more singular perspective. Haven't gotten around to watching season 3 yet, but I liked 1 and 2 well enough.

 

[SITHRAK!]

BOOK SPOILERS BELOW, YOU‘VE BEEN WARNED

I like the fact that this thread has about five people interested. Means that we’re not dealing with trolls.

That said I just watched S3E8 and all I can do is shake my head at how unfocused and random the show is, compared to the books. In the books there was a core goal driven by Butcher’s backstory.
There were a bunch of excursions that fleshed out the motivations and histories of characters who came back into the storyline at later critical points.
What does the show have? What is it about? What is its core story?
Hughie’s revenge? Show, he punches A-Train in the face. Book, he straight up murders the guy and compromises his moral compass in doing so.
Maeve defending Starlight? Show, Maeve gets mauled but hands a beating out to Homelander, hooray for girl power. Books? Homelander literally tears Maeve’s head off with his bare hands.
And what’s with Black Noir’s arc? People that read the books, like me, must be really wondering what the fuck is up with that.

Look, Game of Thrones went off the rails when the incompetent retards filming it ran out of books to crib from. The Boys is interesting because the showrunners have a great story they could have rolled out with a few bits trimmed off, but instead they chose to completely ignore the existing story and blaze their own trail using some of the most important characters.

I hate that I hate the show because of how shit it is compared to the source material, but that I’ll keep watching it anyway. Not because it’s anything other than a fucking shitshow, but just because it’s the only adaptation we’ll ever get, even if it’s fucking amateur hour.

 

[Cool kitties club]

Having seen two episodes of the show and being about 47 issues into the comic I can't get over how normified the TV version is. Its very much a just a modern melodramatic tv show with some James Gunn type banter. I really felt this when they introduced Frenchie who in the book is more of a strange comic relief character whose humanity is grounded with the female. In the show Frenchie's first appearance is him being a hardened serious guy who hates butcher. Hughie is turned from a well meaning and conflicted guy to a tortured whiner. Homelander's arc is greatly accelerated. In the comic he starts off as just a money grubbing bastard like the rest but slowly loses his mind as he comes to terms with how little accountability he actually has whereas in the show he is immediately shown as having some weird mommy issues. I'm also just partially annoyed how the show has already given up trying to replicate the actual comic superheroes like the comic did. In the comic the 7 are direct justice league analogues with Homelander, Maeve, and noir being the big three as they are analogues of DC's big 3. Whereas in the show The Deep is the number 2 to homeland (I guess aquaman was popular in china hell that actually would have been a good gag to have him doing Chinese ads or something) and the Martian Manhunter analogue is replaced with a generic invisible guy who doesn't match onto any JLA member or really any major marvel or DC hero. And it pisses me off how the media acts like the show is superior in every way just because its less offensive.

 

[Flexo]

These talentless bags of shit better stay away from Transmetropolitan

But they did the Matrix.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

hot take the comic is worse than the show because its almost pure edge compared to the show

 

[Cool kitties club]

hot take the comic is worse than the show because its almost pure edge compared to the show

Its funny and behind all that you have an interesting story. The show is still pretty edgy its just sanitized in certain ways for modern TV and a more general audience. Ontop of the message being shifted for current politics (IE all the evil characters are basically drumpf chud nazis) and a more general female empowerment: see how they let Rayner make a fool of Butcher as far back as episode 2.

 

[PeggieBigCock]

hot take the comic is worse than the show because its almost pure edge compared to the show

You’re right for the wrong reasons, it MAINTAINS the edge from the comics, while updating & developing on existing elements. When this season decided to collectively Weinstein all of us by showing us a sweaty red faced, eyebrowless & insane Seth Rogen furiously jerking off as a cameo, I knew that was the true extent of his input, shocking sex scenes that chip away at the true audience. As sexually traumatizing as it was intended to be, it was equally humiliating for Rogen, and an artistic and honest portrayal of his true value.

 

[Nick Obre]

Look, Game of Thrones went off the rails when the incompetent retards filming it ran out of books to crib from. The Boys is interesting because the showrunners have a great story they could have rolled out with a few bits trimmed off, but instead they chose to completely ignore the existing story and blaze their own trail using some of the most important characters.

I mean, look at what I said about what they did to Preacher a bit earlier in the thread.
They had a round, complete, perfect story. Sure, like with everything, you gotta do some adjustments simply because of the transition to a different medium and format. Like you said, some trimming maybe, but it was almost ready-made.
But what did they do instead?
They changed the characterization of everyone, spent a whole season getting thing into the position in which the comic starts, but somehow managed to waste a later story arc by inserting it into the prequelish filler. From then on, it just keeps going off in different directions than the original while paying lip service to the comic in the shallowest of ways.

They can't, they just can't. It's impossible for them to respect what they're profiting from. They've got ideas they want to put out, but they know they can't stand on their own so they need something, anything, with brand recognition that they can skin and wrap around their feces.
Like a dog pill wrapped in a slice of ham.

 

[SITHRAK!]

it just keeps going off in different directions than the original

And more than the characters changing, this is the issue with The Boys. You can criticize the edge and some of the dumber moments of the books, but the way the actual story is constructed and paced is masterful. The show just throws that all out and suffers for it.

 

[PeggieBigCock]

I forgot I made this but Seth Rogan really made me watch him choke his chicken for 2 whole minutes and I’m upset

 

[BiggestKai]

Is the whole MOI WOIFE'S SON plotline original or part of the comics?