The Boys - An Amazon Prime adaptation of the Ennis comic series

TheHarbinger said:
They just canceled Gen V season three. So all of the buildup for those characters is trashed. And they announced it during the final season of The Boys. Yet another momentum killer. Essentially two seasons of a spinoff have no real conclusion and everyone who invested in those characters wasted their time. Almost seems like a punishing announcement to do it during the middle of the final season of the main series. And right when more spinoffs are in production.
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Season 2 was a mess, so this isn't all too surprising. I fully expect the Mexico show to get canned, too.
 
TheAmbiguousLurker said:
The Boys: Mexico.
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Is it just me or is soldier boy the most moral and likeable character in the show? Everytime I see clips out of context he comes across as the closest thing to an actual hero.
 
Oilspill Battery said:
What is the mexico show supposed to be about? Just... mexico?
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IIRC it was a Gen V themed sequel/spin off about a group of kids from the super hero college going to Mexico for spring break and getting into hijinks. Think a white Lotus meets Spring Breakers.
 
This last season feels so rushed. It comes off as Eric Kripke is sick of writing for it. They didn’t need to keep Ryan at all and now he’s a lame plot device to be Butcher’s humanity despite losing it a long time ago. Kripke is trying too hard to portray the generational trauma and “toxic” masculinity in America mixed with classism, capitalism, and privileged white males. I don’t blame him, it would be hard to write a show from a comic book, he just isn’t the best writer and this season in particular just screams Supernatural with cursing and better special effects.
 
Lurk Moar Fag said:
This last season feels so rushed. It comes off as Eric Kripke is sick of writing for it. They didn’t need to keep Ryan at all and now he’s a lame plot device to be Butcher’s humanity despite losing it a long time ago. Kripke is trying too hard to portray the generational trauma and “toxic” masculinity in America mixed with classism, capitalism, and privileged white males. I don’t blame him, it would be hard to write a show from a comic book, he just isn’t the best writer and this season in particular just screams Supernatural with cursing and better special effects.
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he's jewish
comes with the territory
 
Michael Wade said:
Is it just me or is soldier boy the most moral and likeable character in the show? Everytime I see clips out of context he comes across as the closest thing to an actual hero.
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It’s not just you, it’s what happens every time these types of writers try to make everything morally grey, but then try to have some right wing character-caricature. Best example Alan Moore and Rorschach. The problem is they Want to paint everything as being morally relative, but then when the rubber meets the road, the guys they hate have principles, and people are genuinely drawn to those. It doesn’t help that their heroes suck, so when you have traditional heroism, or something close to it, it really is a welcome change.
 
Michael Wade said:
Is it just me or is soldier boy the most moral and likeable character in the show? Everytime I see clips out of context he comes across as the closest thing to an actual hero.
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Moral? No. Likeable? Yes.

Dude beat the shit out of his own team, which is why they handed him over to the Reds. He also keeps treating his son like shit, even though his son wants to give him the world. He is anything but moral. At best, he's a lighter shade of dark, kind of like an anti-hero, but he's still openly an asshole, to both his enemies and his allies. That being said, Soldier Boy's characterization, his language, his drip, his fighting strength, and his low-brow humor is still more fun than any of the Boys, Butcher included. This explains why people like him and are immediately glued to the screen the moment he shows up.

SB and Homelander are the two characters holding up the show, which is probably something the writers hate. They wanted people to hate Soldier Boy and Homelander, people loved them or were interested in them instead. It's the same shit that happened with Rorschach from Watchmen. Alan Moore wanted a walking, talking warning as to why you can't have Supes who play the role of judge, jury, and executioner. But instead, people loved the guy and said that more heroes need to be like him.

Lurk Moar Fag said:
This last season feels so rushed. It comes off as Eric Kripke is sick of writing for it. They didn’t need to keep Ryan at all and now he’s a lame plot device to be Butcher’s humanity despite losing it a long time ago. Kripke is trying too hard to portray the generational trauma and “toxic” masculinity in America mixed with classism, capitalism, and privileged white males. I don’t blame him, it would be hard to write a show from a comic book, he just isn’t the best writer and this season in particular just screams Supernatural with cursing and better special effects.
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Kripke probably got mad that they're cutting his show off after this season, so he's not really into writing more for it. So he's getting it all out, his hatred of patriarchal systems, his hatred of patriotic America, his hatred of Evangelicals, his hatred of capitalism, yadda yadda. Each one could've been its own season if Kripke got the green light to do more. The problem is, no matter how much he demonizes these things, people just aren't into characters like MM, Frenchie, Kimiko, Starlight and Hughie. At best, the audience can tolerate them, at worst, the audiences dislike them for being incompetent whiners.

Literally, the only reason we have a Season 4 and 5 is because the good guys were incompetent in Season 3. Any idiot would've seen that the optimal path is to manipulate Soldier Boy and Homelander into killing each other, then have Starlight become the new captain of the Seven and take over Vought since Stan Edgar is gone.

As for Billy Butcher, even he's getting old, with him usually devolving to using the word *CUNT* after almost every sentence. That, and his powers aren't that interesting outside of him throwing shit, when he should've gone full Elfen Lied with it. And he can't go full ruthless because we know he has psychological weaknesses like Ryan and Hughie, but he can't fit the mold of a typical good guy like Starlight because he underwent that transformation in the previous season due to his desire to kill the Supes.

God of Nothing said:
he's jewish
comes with the territory
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Other Jewish writers were able to make characters like Superman, who was actually likeable and memorable to the point where he became the template for capeshit heroes.

FK009 said:
It’s not just you, it’s what happens every time these types of writers try to make everything morally grey, but then try to have some right wing character-caricature. Best example Alan Moore and Rorschach. The problem is they Want to paint everything as being morally relative, but then when the rubber meets the road, the guys they hate have principles, and people are genuinely drawn to those. It doesn’t help that their heroes suck, so when you have traditional heroism, or something close to it, it really is a welcome change.
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The problem is, they try to have their cake and eat it too. Alan Moore and Eric Kripke create worlds where evil rules over good, and good is pointless. We see in the world of the Watchmen that even with superheroes, innocent people suffer and die, like that one girl Rorshach failed to save, so he kills the girl's killer. In the Boys show, Kripke had Stan Edgar spell it out, that even if the good guys defeat Vought, another evil will rise, because the world runs on evil corporations and money, and getting rid of Vought and its superheroes won't do shit to improve the world.

So when you create these morally nihilistic worlds, guys who stand for principles like Rorschach, and guys with strength and charisma like Soldier Boy and Homelander, are easier to root for than whatever pathetic morons the author wants to put in as good guys. Starlight got mad that Hughie wanted to be a traditional hero who can save her. Ozymandias committed a massacre against innocents when he could've easily used the technology he had to defeat the Soviets and help the West win the Cold War. (Just make two squids, and send one to Beijing and the other to Moscow.) Compared to these characters, a straightforward asshole with drip or their own set of rules is more convincing.

The same thing happened to Star Wars with Rogue One. It was made with the tone of the Rebels not being fully good, and we see the Rebellion does icky shit like killing their own informants or killing Jyn Erso's dad, showing that they can be just as evil as the Empire if it means they can get closer to victory. So who does the crowd clap for? The Rebellion, who have shed their purely good characterization from the OT, or the Imperials, the latter of whom have Darth Vader slaughtering some goobers in a hallway? It's obviously the latter; since if both sides are going to be jackasses, you might as well cheer for the jackass who looks badass and can kill shit with style.

The same way goes for Soldier Boy and Homelander. Homelander is like what if Superman pulled the stick out of his ass and started beating people to death with it. He has no Kryptonite weakness, and he recently went full Omni-Man on his own son, which means he's no longer holding back, no matter who they send against him. Soldier Boy can pound the shit out of the opposition, we see him throwing around a shield that Hughie can't even pick up, and if all else fails, he can blow them up with his chest ki beam that can disintegrate most foes and depower the survivors. So he's basically Captain America on steroids, except make it so that he has a back-up attack that can wipe out the Avengers or the Justice League with one blast.

Irreedemable Ret. 2 said:
This show is Hazbin Hotel for men.
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Hazbin Hotel is just Bayonetta for wankers.
 
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