The Boys - An Amazon Prime adaptation of the Ennis comic series

Other Jewish writers were able to make characters like Superman, who was actually likeable and memorable to the point where he became the template for capeshit heroes.
Good point, he’s one of my personal faves because he’s the All-American hero.

Moral? No. Likeable? Yes.

Dude beat the shit out of his own team, which is why they handed him over to the Reds. He also keeps treating his son like shit, even though his son wants to give him the world. He is anything but moral. At best, he's a lighter shade of dark, kind of like an anti-hero, but he's still openly an asshole, to both his enemies and his allies. That being said, Soldier Boy's characterization, his language, his drip, his fighting strength, and his low-brow humor is still more fun than any of the Boys, Butcher included. This explains why people like him and are immediately glued to the screen the moment he shows up.

SB and Homelander are the two characters holding up the show, which is probably something the writers hate. They wanted people to hate Soldier Boy and Homelander, people loved them or were interested in them instead. It's the same shit that happened with Rorschach from Watchmen. Alan Moore wanted a walking, talking warning as to why you can't have Supes who play the role of judge, jury, and executioner. But instead, people loved the guy and said that more heroes need to be like him.
The Butcher character sucks because of the writing, now. I personally believe that Karl Urban and Antony Starr have been holding up the show more than any other character. Going off of the actual comic book, they should’ve kept the Noir is a clone of Homelander thing. Would’ve been more interesting.

After seeing Madelyn-mommy-milkers come back (as an angel to Homelander) I’m pretty convinced that Homelanders’ genetics and whatever was enhanced by the V is deteriorating kind of like the Logan movie; a shadow of his former self. Last season he was collecting his white hairs so there’s most likely some follow-up to it. His malignant narcissism mixed with the deterioration is him going completely mad; Kripke is writing him as a Trump/Antichrist character that wants to rule the world and be adored by all despite being an evil toddler.
The problem is, they try to have their cake and eat it too. Alan Moore and Eric Kripke create worlds where evil rules over good, and good is pointless. We see in the world of the Watchmen that even with superheroes, innocent people suffer and die, like that one girl Rorshach failed to save, so he kills the girl's killer. In the Boys show, Kripke had Stan Edgar spell it out, that even if the good guys defeat Vought, another evil will rise, because the world runs on evil corporations and money, and getting rid of Vought and its superheroes won't do shit to improve the world.
In this case, Billy Butcher became the evil to thwart it. Become inhuman to defeat the inhuman. The political message being capitalism is the true evil, right? Idk. Kind of transparent now.
 
I think it would be interesting if Solider boy beat the shit out of his team out of some misplaced intent to be a drill sergeant and teach them how to be tough, but didn't know how to properly dial it back and be even handed.
 
The Butcher character sucks because of the writing, now. I personally believe that Karl Urban and Antony Starr have been holding up the show more than any other character.
I'd say Jensen Ackles kept the show from dying.

Going off of the actual comic book, they should’ve kept the Noir is a clone of Homelander thing. Would’ve been more interesting.
It would've been funny if the comic foreshadowed that by having Starlight say that Black Noir and Homelander had similar-looking cocks when they raped her.

After seeing Madelyn-mommy-milkers come back (as an angel to Homelander) I’m pretty convinced that Homelanders’ genetics and whatever was enhanced by the V is deteriorating kind of like the Logan movie; a shadow of his former self. Last season he was collecting his white hairs so there’s most likely some follow-up to it. His malignant narcissism mixed with the deterioration is him going completely mad; Kripke is writing him as a Trump/Antichrist character that wants to rule the world and be adored by all despite being an evil toddler.
They're going to make Homelander's increasing deterioration another cause for him to find V1 and make himself a god before it's too late.

In this case, Billy Butcher became the evil to thwart it. Become inhuman to defeat the inhuman.
But he isn't inhuman. He's too soft to be inhuman, too rough to be a full hero. He's lukewarm.

The political message being capitalism is the true evil, right? Idk. Kind of transparent now.
If they really want to run with capitalism as the true evil, everyone should then share their belongings with each other. That's something no one will ever agree to.

I think it would be interesting if Solider boy beat the shit out of his team out of some misplaced intent to be a drill sergeant and teach them how to be tough, but didn't know how to properly dial it back and be even handed.
That's probably how he sees it, but that's not how his team saw it.
 
I'd say Jensen Ackles kept the show from dying
Him too, agreed. The third season of him walking out to see what the world has become was well done.
I’m personally getting sick of Jack Quaid, it’s like he has one typecast: clumsy annoying little brother type that curses a lot.
If they really want to run with capitalism as the true evil, everyone should then share their belongings with each other. That's something no one will ever agree to.
The Vought CEOs represent the soulless capitalism in America and they’re most likely going to end up dead.

It would've been funny if the comic foreshadowed that by having Starlight say that Black Noir and Homelander had similar-looking cocks when they raped her.
It’s been a year or so since I’ve read the comic, was Black Noir one of the supes that mouth-raped Starlight? I know that Kripke ran with The Deep being the main despite him actually being one of the “good” supes. Would’ve been funny if they kept that hideous outfit (not that it isn’t hideous, now).
 
I’m personally getting sick of Jack Quaid, it’s like he has one typecast: clumsy annoying little brother type that curses a lot.
In the first season he goes from a pushover and loser and Vought fan to killing a member of the Seven and joining a CIA hit squad. And then exposing Compound V to the entire world. Then taking Temp V to become a superhero. By the end of season four he's a complete pussy and behaves in suicidal and idiotic ways to keep the plot from advancing. All of his character development is undone and he's the weakest member of the cast.
 
In the first season he goes from a pushover and loser and Vought fan to killing a member of the Seven and joining a CIA hit squad. And then exposing Compound V to the entire world. Then taking Temp V to become a superhero. By the end of season four he's a complete pussy and behaves in suicidal and idiotic ways to keep the plot from advancing. All of his character development is undone and he's the weakest member of the cast.
Couldn’t agree more. I know that Hugie gets raped in the comic book but the way they did it in the show was too parodic and totally ruined any trauma he would have experienced to grow as a character.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the show was fucked when it became apparent that the writers had nothing of value to say except god-awful TDS crap.

The comic was so god-awful that it buried on of the few aspects that the show KIND OF got right: the idea of heroes=celebrities and the duality of them being loved and adored by the public versus them being royal cunts in private that do all sorts of beyond the pale shit.

You could have gotten SOME mileage out of this in the hands of good writers. My idea for Tek Knight as an off-brand super hero who is legit trying to fix shit and going full Tek Knight/Homelander=Batman vs Superman, alone could have carried a season or two.

Similarly, they should have either killed Homelander off at the end of season two (dies in a failed attempt to save Beckie from Stormfront) or just said "fuck it" and make him a good guy, with a depowering arc and pivot to Soldier Boy as the main villain for the last two seasons. Soldier Boy running for President and winning could have been an interesting arc and you could have gone the route of him running as an SJW type agent of change but secretly wanting to dissolve democracy and turn america into a dictatorship the second he took power. Or just say "fuck it" and rip off "Change or Die" from Stormwatc with a new rival super hero group going all Authority lite with their access to nanotech, real fucking magic, and other super science shit and have the Boys have to stop them after they take out the Seven.
 
It’s been a year or so since I’ve read the comic, was Black Noir one of the supes that mouth-raped Starlight? I know that Kripke ran with The Deep being the main despite him actually being one of the “good” supes. Would’ve been funny if they kept that hideous outfit (not that it isn’t hideous, now).
Yes. It was Homelander, Black Noir, and A-Train who raped Starlight. If they wanted to properly foreshadow Black Noir being a Homelander clone, they should've had Starlight say something about how the two of them had similar-looking dicks.

Him too, agreed. The third season of him walking out to see what the world has become was well done.
Soldier Boy is a more accurate Captain America in that the values of the 1950s are far different than today.

I’m personally getting sick of Jack Quaid, it’s like he has one typecast: clumsy annoying little brother type that curses a lot.
Usually, when you start off with a character that acts like a whiny bitch, they get better and stronger with time. But when the opportunity was there for that in Season 3, the story knocked him back down and told him to be satisfied with being Starlight's little twink.

And people wonder why the viewers are more invested in Homelander and Soldier Boy.

The Vought CEOs represent the soulless capitalism in America and they’re most likely going to end up dead.
But as Stan said, they are hardly the cause, and killing them won't stop the profit machine.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the show was fucked when it became apparent that the writers had nothing of value to say except god-awful TDS crap.
The problem is, you can only rely on that as a plot point for your show for so long. The right move would have been to have someone else be the Trump expy, and while the Boys do fight him, Homelander eventually loses patience with him and kills him, kind of like Sentinel Prime in Transformers One and War for Cybertron.

I'd have it so the Trump expy suffers from an Epstein-style downfall, and when that happens, the Boys and Homelander race to depose him so they can take the glory for it. Homelander wins on account of his super strength, flight, and speed, and he gains power by being the guy who "restored sanity to the country" after killing the Trump expy.

The comic was so god-awful that it buried on of the few aspects that the show KIND OF got right: the idea of heroes=celebrities and the duality of them being loved and adored by the public versus them being royal cunts in private that do all sorts of beyond the pale shit.
That'd be too accurate for what Hollywood is doing, so they wouldn't let that continue.
 
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Yes. It was Homelander, Black Noir, and A-Train who raped Starlight. If they wanted to properly foreshadow Black Noir being a Homelander clone, they should've had Starlight say something about how the two of them had similar-looking dicks.


Soldier Boy is a more accurate Captain America in that the values of the 1950s are far different than today.


Usually, when you start off with a character that acts like a whiny bitch, they get better and stronger with time. But when the opportunity was there for that in Season 3, the story knocked him back down and told him to br satisfied with being Starlight's little twink.

And people wonder why the viewers are more invested in Homelander and Soldier Boy.


But as Stan said, they are hardly the cause, and killing them won't stop the profit machine.


The problem is, you can only rely on that as a plot point for your show for so long. The right move would have been to have someone else be the Trump expy, and while the Boys do fight him, Homelander eventually loses patience with him and kills him, kind of like Sentinel Prime in Transformers One and War for Cybertron.

I'd have it so the Trump expy suffers from an Epstein-style downfall, and when that happens, the Boys and Homelander race to depose him so they can take the glory for it. Homelander wins on account of his super strength, flight, and speed, and he gains power by being the guy who "restored sanity to the country" after killing the Trump expy.


That'd be too accurate for what Hollywood is doing, so they wouldn't let that continue.
Funny you should mention it but they did just that.... But with AOC of all people. And only then because she personally fucked with Amazon's money which I'm sure secretly pissed Kripke and Rogen off that they were most likely made to make her a villain.
 
Funny you should mention it but they did just that.... But with AOC of all people. And only then because she personally fucked with Amazon's money which I'm sure secretly pissed Kripke and Rogen off that they were most likely made to make her a villain.
That's funny; it kind of kills their own woke message when the AOC-stereotype who wants to muzzle rogue supes is just another evil supe working for a typical evil corporate boss. So what does that say? Not to put hope or faith in people trying to keep supes in line because they're probably just controlled opposition? That the only way forward is vigilantism? That's a quaint message to preach.

Hitman is actually Ennis' superhero criticisms at their most reasonable. Never-kill rules are redditoid slop for those who won't suffer when violent criminals are constantly let out. Normal people don't have the luxury of letting villains backstab them with muh human rights.
Never-kill rules are so that you don't have to make a new supervillain every time the heroes are done fighting the current one. Why doesn't Peter Parker just snap Doc Ock's neck? So that he can come back a few issues from now and do the same shtick. Of course, these were the days before Superman died and then came back to life so who gives a shit nowadays if the Punisher shoots The Russian through the throat? He can just come back with his head attached to a different body and- wait what the fuck that actually happened. They made his new body a female one, too. Oh my mistake, his head was put back on his original body, they just gave him soy shots that gave him tits and apparently a PMS, and he decided to dress up like a woman. What the fuck
I'm going to throw Garth Ennis a big, fat bone here, and say that he is absolutely correct in this regard.

Never-kill rules make perfect sense from an editorial standpoint; you want to be able to reuse bad guys, and you want your heroes to look good so they're marketable to kids. But if the setting is a mature setting where bad guys kill people, it makes zero fucking sense story-wise; your hero is letting innocent people die to satisfy his moral code, so he can virtue-signal about how noble he is.

It's like that one duchess in Star Wars: The Clone Wars who made the planet of Mandalore into a pacifist nation to show how kind she is in giving up the brutal warrior ways of the past, only for her people to get massacred by crime syndicates who invaded the planet, so her people vote in a soldier as the new prime minister, and the soldier proceeds to undo everything she did, and he sets the nation back towards the path of the warrior.

At least in shows like GI Joe: A Real American Hero, there are no actual deaths in combat. Even the mooks jump out of exploding tanks and planes. So it makes sense that Duke never kills Cobra Commander or vice-versa when they capture each other, since the show is made for kids and no one actually dies.

But in most western comics like Batman, where the no-kill code is most present and even a plot point that characters in the story comment on, it just makes Batman and other western comic heroes look like massive hypocrites in that they're not willing to shed blood themselves, yet they allow the Joker and the other villains to kill people repeatedly. The only thing they do is lock the villains in revolving-door prisons that they can easily escape from. This just means that every person the villains kill, all that blood, is on the heroes' hands, because they had the power to end this shit once and for all, but refused to.

So in this instance, I'd fully agree with Garth Ennis.

That, and we have heroes who have killed God knows how many bad guys without being morally corrupted; you have Optimus Prime from the many iterations of Transformers, you have Luke Skywalker from the Original Star Wars trilogy; both have killed millions of their versions of Space Nazis, be they Imperials or Decepticons. Yet these heroes are still morally pure and good in the most literal sense; Luke is so pure he redeems his evil father, Optimus is so pure that he refused to break despite millions of years of warfare. If these morally correct paladins of virtue are capable of killing a bitch to end the threat they posed, then they make comic heroes like Batman holding back on killing the comic equivalent of Unit 731 look colossally stupid in comparison.

Allow me to play devil's advocate but the elite squad trained solely for handling superpowered threats is a really cool idea and I get why Ennis is into that.
It's an idea that's been better executed in other franchises.

In Transformers, you had human military units like MECH and Cemetery Wind who are trained at fighting giant robots, and so they are able to counter the Autobots or Decepticons' advanced technology and are able to kill them or capture them for study.

In Star Wars, you have Mandalorians and Clone Troopers who are trained on how to kill Jedi, and the latter were even cloned from a member of the former who did kill Jedi, and he trained the latter, which makes Order 66 plausible, especially if the Jedi spent the last 3 years fighting robots, not humans trained on how to kill Jedi.

Hell, even other forms of capeshit they did it better. DCAU had Project Cadmus, which was sponsored by the US Government, using all sorts of technology and even making their own heroes to counter the growing power of the Justice League in the odd case they became a threat. During the Marvel Civil War, you even had supes joining the government against supes who didn't want to.

The way Ennis did it, it's just supes vs. supes, except the supes who are the "good guys" wear edgy black trenchcoats, aside from Hughie and Starlight. The show basically made it Batman vs. Superman writ large; normies using skill and knowledge to overcome super-powered foes.
 
Anyone talk about how Homelander ended up saying he's god after Trump posted that Jesus meme? Coincidence?
It was inevitability. Even when the season was being shot, a lot of Trumpians have already been acting as if Trump was their Alter Christus. So the show making Homelander the new god of America made perfect sense, as MAGA had always given zero heed to the actual teachings of Jesus, but they worshiped Trump as if he was their Jesus.
 
It was inevitability. Even when the season was being shot, a lot of Trumpians have already been acting as if Trump was their Alter Christus. So the show making Homelander the new god of America made perfect sense, as MAGA had always given zero heed to the actual teachings of Jesus, but they worshiped Trump as if he was their Jesus.
Yeah but the timing and the fact that Trump actually pretty much said he is Jesus...almost like he knew the show was about to say it. Was there some hint in a preview maybe? Or maybe someone in Trump's orbit had a screener? CIA probably had early access to it.
 
They just canceled Gen V season three.
I remain unsurprised, and yet I don't know what's supposed to happen to the teenagers. They just live happily ever after, after having obliterated the Jewish villain? Okay, awesome.
I just find all of these criticisms of cape comics far more juvenile and retarded than the cape comics they're criticizing as they do the fucking capeshit themselves. lol, cum, shit, farts, and tits! What do you mean having the sense of humor of a teenager who just figured out what his own dick does isn't amusing?
I agree., Even BoJack Horseman is "deep" when compared to The Boys.
I don't know about you guys, but personally I am completely heartbroken we don't get to see the thrilling conclusion to the story of the black chick that fights using her period blood.
I still think the powerscaling is ridiculous. She got a few lessons that were literally just being beaten over and over again; and then she got to face the Real Jew. And then she killed him. Wow.
The whole point of the period girl, now, is to blow people's heads or entire bodies off with her powers; the whole point of Homelander is being pretty much, ahem, invincible. He literally got thrown inside some cell with nuclear radiation, weakening him and making him ugly (oh, no, the horror!), only to come out of the cell a few hours later and recover not too long after.
This whole "unstoppable force vs. inanimate object" scenario warrants, given the current build-up (what, half a decade by now?), a really fucking dramatic finale. But what's going to happen, instead, is that Real Damage will be dealt for about 5% of the fighting scene, which would probably last twenty minutes. So, sixty seconds, really.
Is it just me or is soldier boy the most moral and likeable character in the show? Everytime I see clips out of context he comes across as the closest thing to an actual hero.
Consider the following: Soldier Boy is mostly straight, physically appealing, thinks negatively of what he doesn't consider to be American, and he's rather powerful indeed. He may very well be one of the last remnants of Real America in their universe.
The political message being capitalism is the true evil, right? Idk. Kind of transparent now.
The Stan Edgar guy did say that money runs everything so no matter what happens he'll be on whichever's the winning side to make even more money. What's funny to me, is that Stan does not seem to be the kind of guy that buys yachts and lives in huge mansions. He's a strategist, a cynical businessman that thinks of money as a way to entertain himself, seeing people as pawns. This amorality is interesting: many wouldn't consider Edgar inherently evil, me-thinks. But maybe I'm wrong: would you think that Edgar is evil?
Maybe he should've stuck with chess. I'm definitely not biased on this.

I'd also like to point out that since Homelander broke out of the cell after Soldier Boy killed the anger-inducing guy, they could've all grouped together and beaten Homelander to death, considering how he was weakened by the radiation. But no...
 
Consider the following: Soldier Boy is mostly straight, physically appealing, thinks negatively of what he doesn't consider to be American, and he's rather powerful indeed. He may very well be one of the last remnants of Real America in their universe.
That is exactly why people love Soldier Boy. He is strong, straightforward, exudes masculinity in a way that makes Butcher look like a wuss, and he doesn't hold back verbally or physically. He is the closest thing to a superhuman in the show, even Homelander is a mentally-crippled wuss at this point.

The Stan Edgar guy did say that money runs everything so no matter what happens he'll be on whichever's the winning side to make even more money. What's funny to me, is that Stan does not seem to be the kind of guy that buys yachts and lives in huge mansions. He's a strategist, a cynical businessman that thinks of money as a way to entertain himself, seeing people as pawns. This amorality is interesting: many wouldn't consider Edgar inherently evil, me-thinks. But maybe I'm wrong: would you think that Edgar is evil?
Maybe he should've stuck with chess. I'm definitely not biased on this.
Stan is something worse than evil to the SJWs who write this show.

Stan is a realist. He knows that the show has to go on. The economy has to keep running, no matter who rules. That people will find another idol once they're done with capeshit heroes.

That's why I can't see him as evil. He just sees the game for what it is.

Yeah but the timing and the fact that Trump actually pretty much said he is Jesus...almost like he knew the show was about to say it. Was there some hint in a preview maybe? Or maybe someone in Trump's orbit had a screener? CIA probably had early access to it.
You don't even need that shit. One good look at the people Kripke is trying to satirize, and you can tell that they are the kind to worship the golden calf in a way that mirrors the devotion Homelander gets from his fans.

Anyone who looks at social trends knows that shit like this was coming. Like I said, the Right offers to Trump the kind of unconditional devotion that they should be offering to Christ, while at the same time, they do not pay heed to Jesus' commands. What is that if not replacing Christ with Trump?
 
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Edgar in the comics is a gruff but forgettable suit who gets status reports from Stillwell (a man in the comics), his only notable bits being where he gives exposition on Vic the Veep (legit mentally retarded scion of the family that founded Voight who the company wants to become President and is based off the cliched "Bush 2 is legit retarded" meme), where he goes over lore about the G-Men that leads him to give the kill order to Stillwell to wipe them out, and him dying of a heart attack out of the blue, which sets up Ashley in the comic being set up as Stillwell's patsy when he'll breaks loose at the end.

His very existence in the show was a rare case of having to patch over the death of Stillwell, who the show butchered via gender swapping and addressing fan complaints about how they fucked over Stillwell, turning a cold blooded corporate sociopath company man and the one person not afraid of HL into a lactating mommy for Homelander to obsess over. And while they clearly stunt casted Gus from Breaking Bad for the role, it's clear they aldo had to subvert this leading ironically enough, to the bits where they humanized Stan in ways Ennis straight up would NEVER humanize Stillwell in the comics.

Also I would not be shocked if it comes out after the fact that Amazon straight up forced blood bender girl to be straight up cut from the final season and give her role to Soldier Boy.
 
Ewie

You need to let 'Omlandah rape you Ewie

It's da only way to beat 'im Ewie
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It's the same shit that happened with Rorschach from Watchmen. Alan Moore wanted a walking, talking warning as to why you can't have Supes who play the role of judge, jury, and executioner. But instead, people loved the guy and said that more heroes need to be like him.
With Rorschach; having a character with ironclad moral principles, even flawed ones, will always make them more endearing than the piles of gray morally ambiguous sludge called characters around them. Active, well-defined characters reign supreme.

Rorschach was the only one willing to expose the truth, even if it killed him, instead of leaving humanity's fate in the hands of ego-tripping pansies like Ozymandias. Human nature cannot be controlled or changed, not forever. You cannot cure conflict.
 
Also I would not be shocked if it comes out after the fact that Amazon straight up forced blood bender girl to be straight up cut from the final season and give her role to Soldier Boy.
All of the buildup of Gen V being abandoned is no different than the giant conflict of season three of the main series ending with nothing. This show loves to generate some huge cliffhanger or conflict then resolve it or retcon it so they can recycle the same story beats again.
I remain unsurprised, and yet I don't know what's supposed to happen to the teenagers. They just live happily ever after, after having obliterated the Jewish villain? Okay, awesome.
The show will end with Homelander dead. But tons of superheroes still alive. Enough for Vought and Godolkin to still exist or even need to be around to deal with the aftermath of a giant international superhero war. Which was probably what Gen V season three would have been. It was rumored that it would be Ryan attending school at Godolkin and another character becoming the head of the school.

A bad ending of season five and then a terrible prequel in Vought Rising will put this show alongside Game of Thrones for a wasted television franchise.
 
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