If I'm honest it was pretty obviously bad and most of you guys swallowed 4/5ths of the giant turd like a snake before complaining about the taste of the last little bit
really heartwarming at the end, butcher's speech to hughey. "you were the boys...my boys, this whole time." before a genetically altered ant bursts out of his head, yelling "WHERE THE WHITE WOMEN AT?" surprising place for a cameo by dave chappelle but i think it worked out alright.
I will never understand why they decided to gove homelander a tragic back story if you were just going to make him a sniveling bitch when he loses his powers
THats the kind of ending you write for a character whos never been powerless.
Instead we know he was locked in an underground bunker and routinely tortured for his childhood and young adolescence.
It's the common haughty leftist trope - "I can do better than the original artist". The show strayed away from the original so much that it's essentially unrecognizable at this point, and it's no wonder they failed to stick the landing. They were too busy jerking off to their own self-righteous drivel to tell a story faithful to source material.
Or they could have just directly adapted the fuckin’ books. Genuinely missed an opportunity to create context and depth for both Homelander and Butcher and have a real ‘Red Wedding’ moment that’d have the normies talking for years.
But no, penises everywhere and Orange Man Bad were more important.
This is an argument of degrees, based on subjective personal opinions. I say it was intended to demonstrate how irredeemably broken and twisted the members of G-Wiz are, you say “yes but did it have to be so extreme?”
There is no reconciliation of these two points. Could it have been toned down? Absolutely. But would it have conveyed the same message, if so? Almost certainly not. It was in line with much of the tone of the rest of the books, though.
If the books aren’t to your taste, that’s fine, but that doesn’t make your position ‘right’, any more than my position that the scene in question was thematically appropriate makes me ‘right’ either.
May be getting a bit too much into politics, but some are responding to the Homelander Trump comparisons in terms of how they reacted to being faced with death. They believe it shows the mentality of Trump fans, and the shooting was all staged.
"AAAAAAAAAASCHUALLY chud, if the secret service weren't there and the gunman was right in front of him Trump would've totally shit his pants and groveled and sucked their dick! "
Motherfucker you literally do not know that. You're just projecting your bizzare humilation fetish onto the man, not making logical deductions. Not only would the more normal reaction be simply running away or asking for help from the crowd, begging and offering to suck someones dick is not the automatic default response when faced with death for every single human being.
Benito Mussolini's final words were literally "Shoot me." Even evil people are not all going to immediately break and turn into a baby when they die, some people do genuinely just go out saying "fuck you."
"AAAAAAAAAASCHUALLY chud, if the secret service weren't there and the gunman was right in front of him Trump would've totally shit his pants and groveled and sucked their dick! "
Motherfucker you literally do not know that. You're just projecting your bizzare humilation fetish onto the man, not making logical deductions. Not only would the more normal reaction be simply running away or asking for help from the crowd, begging and offering to suck someones dick is not the automatic default response when faced with death for every single human being.
Benito Mussolini's final words were literally "Shoot me." Even evil people are not all going to immediately break and turn into a baby when they die, some people do genuinely just go out saying "fuck you."
Or they could have just directly adapted the fuckin’ books. Genuinely missed an opportunity to create context and depth for both Homelander and Butcher and have a real ‘Red Wedding’ moment that’d have the normies talking for years.
But no, penises everywhere and Orange Man Bad were more important.
My post does of course assume there was some reason they weren't allowed to just do a straight adaption of the comic, like the people paying for the show wanting something different or something like that.
There are basically infinite examples of people, including fucked up evil people, facing their deaths with some degree of dignity or restraint instead of immediately breaking down and weeping. Human beings are complex creatures.
As someone else here said the whole cracking immediately and offering to suck cock response is the kind of thing someone who has never suffered or faced pain before would do, but the show went out of it's way to flat out show us that Homelander was abused and completely powerless for his entire childhood.
Him disassociating/shutting down and not even registering that Butcher is about to kill him is far more likely than him begging for his life and offering to eat shit. If he was going to be indistinguishable from how a rich frat bro that's never suffered a sprained ankle and always got whatever he wanted would act then why CHANGE HIS BACKSTORY to be the complete opposite?
I will never understand why they decided to gove homelander a tragic back story if you were just going to make him a sniveling bitch when he loses his powers
THats the kind of ending you write for a character whos never been powerless.
Instead we know he was locked in an underground bunker and routinely tortured for his childhood and young adolescence.
You're right, it doesn't make sense, and it's horrible writing.
To get back to my post about the crown of thorns ... The lack of thorns on the inside of the crown in that scene is a noticeable detail.
Regardless if it was intentional or not, it doesn't work in the narrative, because Homelander DID indeed suffer and he totally understands what suffering is. If the lack of thorns was a symbol of Homelander not understanding what it means to suffer, then it doesn't work because he spent his entire childhood suffering. And if the lack of thorns was unintentional, then we can all laugh at this production made by total assclowns for not even remotely understanding the things they are mocking. These are the same type of people who will smugly use the term "media literacy" when they clearly don't understand something as big as what the crown of thorns means to Christians.
You're right, it doesn't make sense, and it's horrible writing.
To get back to my post about the crown of thorns ... The lack of thorns on the inside of the crown in that scene is a noticeable detail.
Regardless if it was intentional or not, it doesn't work in the narrative, become Homelander DID indeed suffer and he totally understands what suffering is. If the lack of thorns was a symbol of Homelander not understanding what it means to suffer, then it doesn't work because he spent his entire childhood suffering. And if the lack of thorns was unintentional, then we can all laugh at this production made by total assclowns for not even remotely understanding the things they are mocking. These are the same type of people who will smugly use the term "media literacy" when they clearly don't understand something as big as what the crown of thorns means to Christians.
Almost all superheroes share that though. They were forced into a drug program as infants and changed into monsters. Half of them killed their own parents or siblings. Homelander killing his doctors and teachers is literally what every single character on Gen V did when their powers activated. Marie wipes out her parents, the people who ironically put her into the Vought program, and had her injected with V. Fans were rooting for Homelander to wipe out the Vought employees who tortured him. He only spared Stan Edgar because of plot armor. He should have destroyed all traces of Compound V to make sure no other superheroes ever challenged his reign.
Soldier Boy, Stormfront, and the rest of the V1 superheroes volunteered. Though in the Vought Rising trailer you see Dr. Vought injecting a bunch of Tuskegee servicemen against their will. Hughie and Butcher also voluntarily took Temp V. Everyone else was transformed into a freak against their own will.
Him disassociating/shutting down and not even registering that Butcher is about to kill him is far more likely than him begging for his life and offering to eat shit.
Butcher had no powers as Kimiko's beam fried the room. Homelander could have run away and probably outrun an older injured dying cancer patient. He just stands there because the show only had the budget to shoot a scene in that particular room.
Almost all superheroes share that though. They were forced into a drug program as infants and changed into monsters. Half of them killed their own parents or siblings. Homelander killing his doctors and teachers is literally what every single character on Gen V did when their powers activated.
I think they were absolutely free to do what they wanted, I’d like to hear Ennis’ unalloyed opinion. It’d be hilarious if he turned out like Alan Moore. But TBH he’s probably happy with an indoor pool full of champagne and hookers, after all he had enough warning after what they did to Preacher as well.
No, my opinion is that Amazon/Kripke/Rogen bought him off with an exec producer credit and buckets of cash, then used his story as a skinsuit for their loxism, heterophobia and hatred of Christianity and conservative politics.
Holy shit I completely forgot about that, yeah Butcher has fucking late-stage terminal cancer.
Even without his powers Homelander is a completely healthy dude and is in decent physical shape, even if he has zero training compared to Butcher just in their default unpowered states Butcher is in way worse shape than Homelander is, but he just beats the fuck out of him like he's the Mountain anyway, pulling Mortal Kombat fatalities on him with zero effort lmao
I've decided to re-read the comic. The G-men and Super Duper arcs are unironically leagues above the last two seasons. Better written, better at fleshing out the main characters, funnier, and more emotionally impactful.
There are basically infinite examples of people, including fucked up evil people, facing their deaths with some degree of dignity or restraint instead of immediately breaking down and weeping. Human beings are complex creatures.
As someone else here said the whole cracking immediately and offering to suck cock response is the kind of thing someone who has never suffered or faced pain before would do, but the show went out of it's way to flat out show us that Homelander was abused and completely powerless for his entire childhood.
Him disassociating/shutting down and not even registering that Butcher is about to kill him is far more likely than him begging for his life and offering to eat shit. If he was going to be indistinguishable from how a rich frat bro that's never suffered a sprained ankle and always got whatever he wanted would act then why CHANGE HIS BACKSTORY to be the complete opposite?
Homelander did have his powers when he was young but it was established (as you pointed out) that he was overtly both emotionally and physically tortured as a child in Season 4:
Vought scientists put him an oven and would raise the temperature to the point he was screaming in agony while his tears sizzled away so it's not like the character was invulnerable to pain and suffering his entire life.
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