The Boys - An Amazon Prime adaptation of the Ennis comic series

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Absolute kino! Bravo Kripke, you did it again!
 
Is this even true? It feels like everyone went to the greatest lengths possible to make two different yet equally bad things.
I liked the comics (except Herogasm which is ugly and irrelevant), they didn't come off as spiteful as everyone says, and nowhere near as spiteful as the show. I'm under no illusion that either of them are great, but at least I can enjoy one of them. To have a strong opinion about which is better when you supposedly dislike both is what I find amusing.
 
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I liked the comics (except Herogasm which is ugly and irrelevant), they didn't come off as spiteful as everyone says, and nowhere near as spiteful as the show. I'm under no illusion that either of them are great, but at least I can enjoy one of them. To have a strong opinion about which is better when you supposedly dislike both is what I find amusing.
The comics definitely are written by someone who loathes what the superhero genre had done to American comic books. But would I say spiteful? Maybe. Maybe it's just Ennis wanting to be an edgy fuck. Considering what Crossed turned out as.
 
The best part about the final is that it made everything past season 3 useless. You could have had Soldier Boy just depower Homelander (and cuck child) right then and there and everything would have been at the exact same point.
I think that's when I completely gave up. I already started having serious doubts regarding the show, still hoping they won't go full TDS and at least stay consistent within the plot they themselves created, having deviated from the original so much.
Butcher unironically saying "my wife's son" and changing his mind on ending Homelander by any means possible was the last straw. They literally turned him into a self-admitted cuckold, the guy who in the comic book smashed "Ryan" into a fucking meat puddle the moment it was born.

Butcher who isn't obsessed with killing Homelander no matter what it takes is not Butcher, I don't know who that fucking guy is, and I feel bad for Karl Urban for having to play him. The whole plotline with seeking out and convincing Soldier Boy to help take down Homelander (even after finding out he's his biological son) that drives this entire season ends up being a waste of time, it's back to square one by the end of it. It's fucking pointless.
And from what I've seen of the show from that point, it more or less repeats again. That's the kind of retarded writing I can't stand, all TDS shit aside.

As a side note, the titular Boys have little in common with their comic book counterparts in general. MM has a cool concept in the comic book, in the show he's the kind of retard who'd run at Soldier Boy with a puny gun while having no superpowers, also racism or something (how tiresome), as an example. It's such a fucking waste.
 
Yeah, it was worse. An impressive feat, as I'm sure you've gathered.
Yeah, as insufferable as a protracted smarmy edgelord seethe about Bush and Jesusland in print might be there is absolutely no universe in which it is more obnoxious than a substantially more protracted and even more smarmy edgelord seethe about Trump and MAGA on screen.

It's the common haughty leftist trope - "I can do better than the original artist".
Considering this is in and of itself the conceptual starting point for the original comic (and most if not all of Garth Ennis's works in general IMO) which itself was the ass end of a human centipede of ever smugger leftist british comic edgelords shamelessly ripping one another off and doubling down on both edgy cawntent and masturbatory polemics, it really should surprise nobody that the show turned out this fucking bad
 
The comics definitely are written by someone who loathes what the superhero genre had done to American comic books. But would I say spiteful? Maybe. Maybe it's just Ennis wanting to be an edgy fuck. Considering what Crossed turned out as.
Having any interest in the show or book disqualifies you from using edgy as a criticism IMO. They're both all edge all the time. Maybe it's because I didn't read it when it came out, I'm missing the context of the time period, but I felt much more seethe directed at corporate America and the military industrial complex when I read it. There were still some good heros, and Butcher's unwillingness to let even those ones exist is what turns him in to the antagonist by the very end.
 
Poor Antony Starr.

That screencap with the "I'll fucking suck your dick" subtitle has already become a meme.

Sucks for Antony Starr that it'll be the last Homelander meme, but I'm sure he'll handle himself well and laugh with everyone else like a champ. lol.
 
Having any interest in the show or book disqualifies you from using edgy as a criticism IMO. They're both all edge all the time. Maybe it's because I didn't read it when it came out, I'm missing the context of the time period, but I felt much more seethe directed at corporate America and the military industrial complex when I read it. There were still some good heros, and Butcher's unwillingness to let even those ones exist is what turns him in to the antagonist by the very end.
Oh you misunderstand me, I'm not criticizing it for any kind of edge, unless it's safe edgy which I loathe for it's inauthenticity.

But that's a good point, there's definitely a clear hatred for corporate America. Especially with Vought as one of the central plot points of the comic. Really Amazon being the studio greenlighting it should've been a massive red flag since as I recall the show only tepidly touches on the harsh disdain for corpos.
 
At this point the most subversive thing a show could do these days, would be to have a violently dark borderline villain protagonist turn good. Where they go from being a horrible shithead to becoming a hero.



The only example I can think of from wayyyyyy back, was the manga Gantz

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It is a violently exploitative work, that for a while is just an excuse to show tits and gore. But at around roughly the half way point, the main guy goes from being an abusive little shit, to actually caring about the people around him. Its a shockingly unexpected turn-around that made the book infinitely more memorable.

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Im not going to tell you it's perfect. There's a decent amount of dropped plot threads (The vampire brother) Not to mention plenty of explicit rape, but it was memorable for being subversive in the opposite direction. Maybe like going in tone from Boy's to Independence Day.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=OfPWpEKhgfkIn anycase I will remember Gantz, I wont remember the Boys.

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(The plot is a bunch of guys dying and being resurrected to kill literal illegal aliens. It's kinda based)
Berserk also fits. Guts goes from a largely amoral dude who's ok with any kind of collateral damage to someone who genuinely cares about his friends and allies.
 
Wife watched this, I was along for the ride for the last two or three seasons.

This was some real dumb shit. Awful writing. Stupid gotcha moments. Infantile characters, disbelievable motivations.
 
Berserk also fits. Guts goes from a largely amoral dude who's ok with any kind of collateral damage to someone who genuinely cares about his friends and allies.

Also, the explicit, violent, and depraved stuff that's shown in Berserk is actually disturbing (and often leading to genuinely heartbreaking moments) rather than played for laughs and to try to be "3edgy5you" like The Boys.

In this day and age, a straightforward story that's not meta or played off as a joke is revolutionary. No stories are sincere anymore.

There are two scenes in The Boys that I think are great, and both of them are in season 1:
1. The airplane scene-- genuinely scary and disturbing
2. the dolphin scene-- amazing dark comedy because of how shocking and perfectly timed it was

When your story keeps doing that stuff, though, on even MORE cartoonish levels on an increasing level, everyone becomes completely desensitized by everything that's happening.

The show spent 5 seasons setting up Homelander to snap and cause a significant massacre only to have no payoff to it. I can easily see why it didn't happen: Because the show desensitized everyone on the cartoonish violence and juvenile dick jokes that no viewer would actually take the massacre seriously by this point.

The Boys ended with Season 1. Point blank period. Literally every other season sucks.
 
My ultimate question is why wasn't Hughie the main character like in the comics? He's the moral anchor the show is desperately missing given he's the only one who is conflicted about everything.
Because the show wasn’t made for fans of the comic.
It was made to satisfy Kripke and Rogen’s seething hatred of Christianity, white European derived heritage Americans, and the conservative right.

They took a story that was fundamentally about the risks of falling to evil while fighting evil, the ability of goodness and morality to overcome darkness, and the corrupting nature of power, and twisted it into a polemic on their ideological enemies. As ludicrous as it sounds, they took a perverse, 2edgy4u dark satire and managed to pervert it further by stripping away all that was good about it.

I'd read the comic a hundred times over rather than watch a single new episode of this slap-dash waste of time made by a hack.
I’ve read the full comic run at least four or five times, and read it over again every two years or so. I can’t see myself ever watching the show a second time.

Just like GoT or Preacher, if someone adapts a written work into the audiovisual medium and it creates a product with zero rewatchability, they fucked up.

If The Boys had stayed true to the comics while toning down their more extreme aspects to make them more normie-friendly, we could have had a show up there with Deadwood or Breaking Bad in terms of ‘landmark classic TV’ status.

The worst part is that once hacks like Kripke and Rogen get to rape others’ stories of themes and meaning, we will never see another, more faithful adaptation. I live in fear of people like them getting their hands on my beloved stories. I dread what might happen if someone options ‘100 Bullets’, my all-time favorite comics run.
 
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At this point, it's safe to say Eric Kripke has completely shit the landing to the final episode of The Boys, and of course, everybody hates it.

Fans, haters, everybody thinks it's suck ass.
And of course, Eric tries to explain why he made all the changes to the series, even though most of them were for the worse.



And you know what makes all this even more pathetic?
Not even Reddit likes this ending.
Yeah, that Reddit, a site whose whole purpose is to let people bitch about right-wingers, actively mock Christians for being alive, and complain about all the Evils of America.
Even they hated this ending.

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It takes a special type of incompetence to fail to pander to that crowd.
 
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