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I liked the comics (except Herogasm which is ugly and irrelevant), they didn't come off as spiteful as everyone says, and nowhere near as spiteful as the show. I'm under no illusion that either of them are great, but at least I can enjoy one of them. To have a strong opinion about which is better when you supposedly dislike both is what I find amusing.Is this even true? It feels like everyone went to the greatest lengths possible to make two different yet equally bad things.
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> black super heroes
> super power: talk really loud
Absolute kino! Bravo Kripke, you did it again!
The comics definitely are written by someone who loathes what the superhero genre had done to American comic books. But would I say spiteful? Maybe. Maybe it's just Ennis wanting to be an edgy fuck. Considering what Crossed turned out as.I liked the comics (except Herogasm which is ugly and irrelevant), they didn't come off as spiteful as everyone says, and nowhere near as spiteful as the show. I'm under no illusion that either of them are great, but at least I can enjoy one of them. To have a strong opinion about which is better when you supposedly dislike both is what I find amusing.
I think that's when I completely gave up. I already started having serious doubts regarding the show, still hoping they won't go full TDS and at least stay consistent within the plot they themselves created, having deviated from the original so much.The best part about the final is that it made everything past season 3 useless. You could have had Soldier Boy just depower Homelander (and cuck child) right then and there and everything would have been at the exact same point.
Yeah, as insufferable as a protracted smarmy edgelord seethe about Bush and Jesusland in print might be there is absolutely no universe in which it is more obnoxious than a substantially more protracted and even more smarmy edgelord seethe about Trump and MAGA on screen.Yeah, it was worse. An impressive feat, as I'm sure you've gathered.
Considering this is in and of itself the conceptual starting point for the original comic (and most if not all of Garth Ennis's works in general IMO) which itself was the ass end of a human centipede of ever smugger leftist british comic edgelords shamelessly ripping one another off and doubling down on both edgy cawntent and masturbatory polemics, it really should surprise nobody that the show turned out this fucking badIt's the common haughty leftist trope - "I can do better than the original artist".
Having any interest in the show or book disqualifies you from using edgy as a criticism IMO. They're both all edge all the time. Maybe it's because I didn't read it when it came out, I'm missing the context of the time period, but I felt much more seethe directed at corporate America and the military industrial complex when I read it. There were still some good heros, and Butcher's unwillingness to let even those ones exist is what turns him in to the antagonist by the very end.The comics definitely are written by someone who loathes what the superhero genre had done to American comic books. But would I say spiteful? Maybe. Maybe it's just Ennis wanting to be an edgy fuck. Considering what Crossed turned out as.
Poor Antony Starr.Lots of mega coping over the finale being the lowest rated episode on IMDB.
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Oh you misunderstand me, I'm not criticizing it for any kind of edge, unless it's safe edgy which I loathe for it's inauthenticity.Having any interest in the show or book disqualifies you from using edgy as a criticism IMO. They're both all edge all the time. Maybe it's because I didn't read it when it came out, I'm missing the context of the time period, but I felt much more seethe directed at corporate America and the military industrial complex when I read it. There were still some good heros, and Butcher's unwillingness to let even those ones exist is what turns him in to the antagonist by the very end.
Berserk also fits. Guts goes from a largely amoral dude who's ok with any kind of collateral damage to someone who genuinely cares about his friends and allies.At this point the most subversive thing a show could do these days, would be to have a violently dark borderline villain protagonist turn good. Where they go from being a horrible shithead to becoming a hero.
The only example I can think of from wayyyyyy back, was the manga Gantz
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It is a violently exploitative work, that for a while is just an excuse to show tits and gore. But at around roughly the half way point, the main guy goes from being an abusive little shit, to actually caring about the people around him. Its a shockingly unexpected turn-around that made the book infinitely more memorable.
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Im not going to tell you it's perfect. There's a decent amount of dropped plot threads (The vampire brother) Not to mention plenty of explicit rape, but it was memorable for being subversive in the opposite direction. Maybe like going in tone from Boy's to Independence Day.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OfPWpEKhgfkIn anycase I will remember Gantz, I wont remember the Boys.
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(The plot is a bunch of guys dying and being resurrected to kill literal illegal aliens. It's kinda based)
oh come onBerserk also fits. Guts goes from a largely amoral dude who's ok with any kind of collateral damage to someone who genuinely cares about his friends and allies.
Berserk also fits. Guts goes from a largely amoral dude who's ok with any kind of collateral damage to someone who genuinely cares about his friends and allies.
That guy was one of the dudes you really wanted to see die. Now I need to watch the first 3 series of the shield again.Armadillo Quintero
killed off too soonThat guy was one of the dudes you really wanted to see die. Now I need to watch the first 3 series of the shield again.
Because the show wasn’t made for fans of the comic.My ultimate question is why wasn't Hughie the main character like in the comics? He's the moral anchor the show is desperately missing given he's the only one who is conflicted about everything.
I’ve read the full comic run at least four or five times, and read it over again every two years or so. I can’t see myself ever watching the show a second time.I'd read the comic a hundred times over rather than watch a single new episode of this slap-dash waste of time made by a hack.
Media literacy is supposed to mean your ability to dissect and understand media. What it ends up meaning, the way the internet uses it, is "You don't like this so you don't get it and this is my way of not having to explain myself"I'm not exactly sure what this media literacy meme is