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Sometimes not even that.
Literally some days its just a text, "Anything weird?" "Nope." "Okay, have a good one!"
Joshua Wise & Stephen Boyd The Chris-Chan Extortionists - and the End of Evangelion
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Literally some days its just a text, "Anything weird?" "Nope." "Okay, have a good one!"
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Yeah, but you failed.
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After observing the last few pages, I noticed a lot of people having a debate on whether any of the trolling old or recent, was justified.
Here's my take.
In the strictest moral and ethical sense, no, it was never justified at any time, but that's a given.
That said, there are two phases of trolling at play here.
Old Phase: The early days of trolling were basically just poking an easily offended, easily mockable weirdo who made a strange webcomic and who had a goofy view of reality. While it occasionally dipped into the disturbed and depraved territory (i.e. - The Bluespike incident), the trolls of that time, as @Marvin can attest, drew the lines fairly explicitly between messing with a weirdo's emotions while still giving him room and free will to ignore them if he so chose, but Chris' unwillingness to do that led to the old phase of trolling we now know.
Back then, Chris was fairly well off by contemporary standards given his standards now, had both parents, and generally lived fairly high on the hog for someone of his station, so given Chris could have spared himself the trouble of lashing out at the internet for being mean and just chose not to, the trolls of old figured so long as they didn't do any that robbed Chris of free will, it was a consensual performance art piece Chris contributed to, they got some laughs, end of story.
The old phase generally ended by the time Chris' father died. By this point, Chris' life had gotten somewhat more somber and darker, and most of the trolls of old decided they had their fun, but Chris deserved to generally be let alone, winding up a grieving man who they had worked into a frenzy prior was basically a shit thing to do.
New Phase: After an interregnum where Chris' presence was quite minimal, the new phase of trolling began. Initially, it was tired rehashes of old trolling stunts, and by this time the older and relatively wiser Chris had developed an immunity to a limited degree, and by this point, he was a far different person than the one the internet became aware of years prior.
Unfortunately, by this point, Chris had built up an internet reputation, and we began to see a horde of asshole copycats try to recapture the "lulz" of the old guard of trolls, many of which had hung their hats up and decided they had their fun, just sit back and watch.
The new phase of troll, unfortunately, misunderstood not only the moral limits the trolls of old imposed to allow Chris to walk away at any time, they also lacked any of the commonly understood ethos the older trolls had fallen back on: Chris is a mentally unstable man who is quite gullible, so have laughs at his expense but don't force him to do anything he wouldn't have a choice to do".
This was a sane limit established to keep matters where they would not be legally actionable, the old guard of trolls had the brains to know they didn't want to screw themselves over doing something illegal.
As we have seen, the new phase of troll had become the kind of morally and ethically bereft sack of shit who had no problem trying to psychologically manipulate Chris for their own gain and sick amusement, even if they had to stoop to crime to get the laughs the trolls of old had the good sense to mostly realize was not worth it, either materially or morally.
As has been most recently discussed, it has gone far beyond poking a weird person on the internet for laughs while giving them the chance to quit reacting if they so chose. What has happened recently is robbing said weird guy of any free will by tricking him into false confessions and then using that as a springboard to have him give money, other items, and perform sick and depraved acts in exchange for not being ruined on a legal and moral level.
Basically, the new phase of troll, at best, was a bad rehash of the old phase, and at worst are sociopaths engaging in criminal behavior.
Here's my take.
In the strictest moral and ethical sense, no, it was never justified at any time, but that's a given.
That said, there are two phases of trolling at play here.
Old Phase: The early days of trolling were basically just poking an easily offended, easily mockable weirdo who made a strange webcomic and who had a goofy view of reality. While it occasionally dipped into the disturbed and depraved territory (i.e. - The Bluespike incident), the trolls of that time, as @Marvin can attest, drew the lines fairly explicitly between messing with a weirdo's emotions while still giving him room and free will to ignore them if he so chose, but Chris' unwillingness to do that led to the old phase of trolling we now know.
Back then, Chris was fairly well off by contemporary standards given his standards now, had both parents, and generally lived fairly high on the hog for someone of his station, so given Chris could have spared himself the trouble of lashing out at the internet for being mean and just chose not to, the trolls of old figured so long as they didn't do any that robbed Chris of free will, it was a consensual performance art piece Chris contributed to, they got some laughs, end of story.
The old phase generally ended by the time Chris' father died. By this point, Chris' life had gotten somewhat more somber and darker, and most of the trolls of old decided they had their fun, but Chris deserved to generally be let alone, winding up a grieving man who they had worked into a frenzy prior was basically a shit thing to do.
New Phase: After an interregnum where Chris' presence was quite minimal, the new phase of trolling began. Initially, it was tired rehashes of old trolling stunts, and by this time the older and relatively wiser Chris had developed an immunity to a limited degree, and by this point, he was a far different person than the one the internet became aware of years prior.
Unfortunately, by this point, Chris had built up an internet reputation, and we began to see a horde of asshole copycats try to recapture the "lulz" of the old guard of trolls, many of which had hung their hats up and decided they had their fun, just sit back and watch.
The new phase of troll, unfortunately, misunderstood not only the moral limits the trolls of old imposed to allow Chris to walk away at any time, they also lacked any of the commonly understood ethos the older trolls had fallen back on: Chris is a mentally unstable man who is quite gullible, so have laughs at his expense but don't force him to do anything he wouldn't have a choice to do".
This was a sane limit established to keep matters where they would not be legally actionable, the old guard of trolls had the brains to know they didn't want to screw themselves over doing something illegal.
As we have seen, the new phase of troll had become the kind of morally and ethically bereft sack of shit who had no problem trying to psychologically manipulate Chris for their own gain and sick amusement, even if they had to stoop to crime to get the laughs the trolls of old had the good sense to mostly realize was not worth it, either materially or morally.
As has been most recently discussed, it has gone far beyond poking a weird person on the internet for laughs while giving them the chance to quit reacting if they so chose. What has happened recently is robbing said weird guy of any free will by tricking him into false confessions and then using that as a springboard to have him give money, other items, and perform sick and depraved acts in exchange for not being ruined on a legal and moral level.
Basically, the new phase of troll, at best, was a bad rehash of the old phase, and at worst are sociopaths engaging in criminal behavior.
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At removing the "incentive to do shit for money on the internet by request." This has been going on for years and years in various forms.
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I didn't claim you took care of Chris. I suggested that you taking care of him was the only possible solution for what @Mr. 0 wanted to accomplish.
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Feels like I've been reading this thread all day (taking breaks of course, I have a life) and I can't say I'm surprised. Just appalled by @Ballzymaker94 and @NinFreakLan.
Necking yourself is the only cure for being this bad.
Necking yourself is the only cure for being this bad.
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That money is as good as gone. It probably cost Chris(or whoever is paying) more money to sue them then what they intially stole from him.
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I’m not so sure, Chris has got a weird sense of shame/regret, only a little while ago he said sitting on and ruining a delicious cake was his biggest regret in life.
Chris is probally upset about the money and from an outsiders perspective the goddess stuff has made his cartoon world delusions worse but it’s probally not that different than him watching My Little Pony and seeing they have a portal that lets them go to the human world and adding that to his list of things that are actually true.
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Not me, but @Null.
And yeah, it works like a charm.
This isn't the first troll filter setup we've had. Past ones worked well too. Chris used to assign people (usually troll girlfriends) to filter his messages because he knows other people can bounce trolls more effectively than he can.
He'd constantly get dipshits pulling shit like "hey Chris, I have Clyde Cash's dox, he's so mean, btw, can you message me? I want to be friends, I'm a pretty girl, tee hee". And back then, that might've worked. Chris would start chatting with them and it'd develop into a "friendship".
But when Chris has put a filter in place, he literally doesn't read it. He clicks "forward" and then says "hmm, yeh, look into dis for me dere". Heh, like for awhile, he thought that Rob Bell was "his lawyer" because he represented Chris and Barb once, so he kept forwarding that shit to Rob Bell. All the bullshit emails Rob Bell's secretaries must've deleted before just blocking Chris outright...
As for being on the receiving end of the filter, you pretty much just delete all the obviously stupid shit, and if someone's legit willing to pay Chris some money for something, you forward it to Chris. Chris knows to ask for the money first. If the person starts talking too much, Chris forwards it back to you for clarification.
It's like 15 minutes out of a day and it's enormously effective.
Edit: Of course, when Ivy was the troll filter, all that meant is the only troll involved was Ivy.
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You're doing gods work, pickleman.
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Heh, like I said, I don't do anything. @Null's the one doing stuff.
From what I understand, the initial purge of Chris' email was annoying, because he just had shitloads of old sped emails lying around.
But from now on, it's merely maintenance.
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Ohhhhh shit! This must be the thing that ate Chris' funds. The thing that he said he "couldn't mention at the moment" a couple months ago.
To be honest I was expecting that thing to be some stupid toys/games impulse purchase or him being chased by debt collectors. I didn't think it would be literally fucking extortion
To be honest I was expecting that thing to be some stupid toys/games impulse purchase or him being chased by debt collectors. I didn't think it would be literally fucking extortion
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what fucking part of "Chris can take care of himself" are you not comprehending here
lol, nullol is chris's secretary
and chris will eventually tap into his secret gay side and start hitting on his male secretary
this has been alluded to for a while and details have slipped out here and there, where have you beenOhhhhh shit! This must be the thing that ate Chris' funds. The thing that he said he "couldn't mention at the moment" a couple months ago.
To be honest I was expecting that thing to be some stupid toys/games impulse purchase or him being chased by debt collectors. I didn't think it would be literally fucking extortion
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Yeah, I get it - but this happened. All these troll filters and the result is this. I don't think this system is effective for anything but keeping Chris in a lifestyle that isn't sustainable. I don't actually care that much about Chris' well-being so I have no issues with him being left to fend for himself, but it seems to me like those who do should realize that at some point you just have to rip the band-aid off and let him realize that living in a house by himself and watching cartoons all day just isn't something that is going to work out for him in the long term once his mother is gone.
I guess we'll have to disagree on the meaning of "take care of himself" when he's sending people $6,000 because they threatened Equestria with a discord bot.
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It's really fucked up watching how dark things went. Feels like just yesterday I'm laughing at Chris macing a GameStop employee, and today I'm hearing some lowlifes stole 6 grand from him.
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No, this happened without a filter.
And the filters weren't omnipresent. I just explained that there's a precedent for them being effective.
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Stop trying to downplay the fact that they got into his head, gaslit him, distorted the fuck out of his worldview and then built on that in order to extort him into committing vile disgusting acts and buying shit for them for their own amusement over a period of several months.
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