Joshua Wise & Stephen Boyd The Chris-Chan Extortionists - and the End of Evangelion

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The type of loan does not matter if it is secured with the house. The risks are the same either way. Reverse mortgage might require loan to pay it off, but that is minor.

Barb has at least one mortgage on the home. Someone has said that Barb also took out another loan on remaining equity resulting in home being "underwater". Chris may end up paying a lot of money to stay in the home. He might be better off not paying and riding out the foreclosure. Though he is idiot who cannot live on his own, so he should not be involved. A man claiming to have a space ray swindled him. Wait until he gets a legitimate sounding call from one of those scam debt help places after the lender files in court (assuming nonjudicial foreclosure is not an option for them).

Adult protective services should be involved already. Best case scenario is separating Barb and Chris. I do not understand why they refused to get involved here. A tard was extorted and coerced into slugging an old woman with dementia. This type of thing is why they exist.
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I don't think she's actively hostile to him having things, she just doesn't give a shit what happens when she's dead, because like most narcissists, it's just not something that's real to her.
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The entire family was always looking for easy answers and painless solutions (in the short term). It is not just Barb. Bob did the same thing. And they taught Chris to do it. Continuing to dig a deeper hole of debt is easy way out. No reason to think about the future. Just live for today and do not answer the phone when debt collectors call.
 
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So like, do they have a mortgage or a reverse mortgage? I keep reading he has a reverse mortgage, but then people keep mentioning payments. You don't make payments on a reverse mortgage, so this is confusing. Could you clear this up for us a bit?
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I've fixed the OP. I mistakenly believed a reverse mortgage was any loan with the house as collateral. She took a mortgage on a fully paid off home to consolidate consumer debt.
 
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I spoke with a personal friend who works for The Arc, who handles people like Chris with in-home care to keep them in good health, clean, and most importantly still able to live their own independent lives. They go on outings all the time with their clients, and it is a fairly reputable company.

My friend said the best thing we could do for Chris is to speak with Adult Protective Services and ask them what they would suggest at this point. I haven't seen them mentioned what so ever in this thread, so, it might be a possible lead. Here is my friend's own words:

"It clearly sounds like he’s an adult at risk of being influenced easily and taken advantage of. Contact APS and see what he’s options are to get support somehow. Maybe He does need to be in a home where he can be supported. I can’t say that for sure. But it sounds like he does need that. If there’s an investigation going on with the FBI I’m surprised that aps reports haven’t been filed. The reason these things happen is because they don’t have the support or someone telling it’s not okay. And sometimes they need that professional help. Chris sounds like someone who has been suffering and is being abused. That’s why someone needs to contact APS. Like now. He’s clearly being taken advantage of even by his family."

EDIT [Continued conversation w/ Friend]: "I would suggest they contact that chapter of the Arc. Even if that can’t put him in a home they will advocate for his rights"

I explained to my friend afterwards that the FBI hasn't actually begun a formal investigation, FYI. Below is a link to the APS of Virginia.

http://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/as/aps.cgi
 
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idosometimes said:
The entire family was always looking for easy answers and painless solutions (in the short term). It is not just Barb. Bob did the same thing. And they taught Chris to do it. Continuing to dig a deeper hole of debt is easy way out. No reason to think about the future. Just live for today and do not answer the phone when debt collectors call.
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Under Bob, they were able to keep the finances under control, and if I recall correctly, Bob left behind some amount of money that could've eliminated or reduced that further, had the Chandlers not decided to try to engage with Michael Snyder again.
 
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I am going to say something extremely controversial.

The abuse Joshua and Stephen are inflicting on Christian is a natural (unintended?) consequence of all of the trolling done to Christian all these years.

All the trolling of Christian done on Christian has set a precedent. I mean, trolls had pretended to be his sweethearts (Bianca, Ivy...), pretended to rape his sweethearts (Clyde Clash), lied to him (Miyamoto Saga), harassed him over many things (Solid/Liquid Chris, Rosechu with a 'pickle', Asperchu with his 'brotherly love' with Sonichu), and other terrible things (Bluspike). Also, let us not forget the whole mess the trolls did over getting Christian to kill off Simonla. The CWCki (which seems to take a very cynical look to Christian at all and does not seem to let him win) not only encourages this stuff but also discourages white-knighting him. (Back then, the white-knighting article was not convincing to me.) The reason given: Christian is an autistic manchild who never learns. Why not repeatedly exploit 'lulz' from him? A lot of stuff was Christian's own doing, but in the end, the trolls were just cyberbullies. The trolls made Christian their own plaything... not a human being, but just a toy.

Is there any wonder why anyone defended and even fed Idea Guy?

(On a tangent, I never liked the idea of discouraging Idea Guy from stopping the textwalls in Sonichu. That was inocuous on the part of Idea Guy.)

Imagine my surprise and disbelief that there was a change in the Christorian zeitgeist. The White-Knighting article had actual reasons now. There were articles on A-Logging and troll wannabes, both portrayed negatively. People actually went to help with Christian when he had that horrid infection. Despite all that, I find such an attitude change unbelievable. Excuse me, but, after those years of bullying, I am not convinced that the CWCki and Kiwi Farms grew a conscience.

...at least I can be convinced, though. When Dylan and Eric shot up Columbine High School, people were quickly blaming Doom, drugs, and Marilyn Mason. When Nicolás Cruz shot up the Broward County School, people were quickly blaming guns, the NRA, and Donald Trump. If Joshua and Stephen end up in jail, people would quickly search for a source of blame. One quick search of Christian Weston Chandler would lead to the CWCki and the Kiwi Farms. While the Kiwi Farms themselves may do 'damage control' by saying 'We were rescuing Chris-chan, you fools!', remember that many people truly, honestly think that the Kiwi Farms are a trolling Illuminati. (Just search for 'Kiwi Farms' in Twitter or Tumblr.) There are also people who left after the Chris-chan meme went away; those people would think that we are freaks who are obsessed over harassing a nobody. Add the precedent of the CWCki and the Kiwi Farms and you would get a CWCki and Kiwi Farms vilified beyond reason. After all, the majority find Christainity unforgivably tarnished because of the Westboro Baptist Church and the homopædosexual scandal in the Catholic Church. The majority find Islam unforgivably tarnished because of the Taliban and ISIS/Daesh. The majority will find the CWCki and the Kiwi Farms unforgivably tarnished because of Joshua and Stephen.

After all, there farms have an 'Autistic' rating even today.
 
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I spoke with a personal friend who works for The Arc, who handles people like Chris with in-home care to keep them in good health, clean, and most importantly still able to live their own independent lives. They go on outings all the time with their clients, and it is a fairly reputable company.

My friend said the best thing we could do for Chris is to speak with Adult Protective Services and ask them what they would suggest at this point. I haven't seen them mentioned what so ever in this thread, so, it might be a possible lead. Here is my friend's own words:

"It clearly sounds like he’s an adult at risk of being influenced easily and taken advantage of. Contact APS and see what he’s options are to get support somehow. Maybe He does need to be in a home where he can be supported. I can’t say that for sure. But it sounds like he does need that. If there’s an investigation going on with the FBI I’m surprised that aps reports haven’t been filed. The reason these things happen is because they don’t have the support or someone telling it’s not okay. And sometimes they need that professional help. Chris sounds like someone who has been suffering and is being abused. That’s why someone needs to contact APS. Like now. He’s clearly being taken advantage of even by his family."

EDIT [Continued conversation w/ Friend]: "I would suggest they contact that chapter of the Arc. Even if that can’t put him in a home they will advocate for his rights"

I explained to my friend afterwards that the FBI hasn't actually begun a formal investigation, FYI. Below is a link to the APS of Virginia.

http://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/as/aps.cgi
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Contacting APS probably won't happen because that would probably turn the milk into powder. They view any entity trying to remotely influence Chris as malignant, regardless of whether or not they claim to have good intentions.
 
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Right, until you figure out half of them are unhinged mental cases who probably think that KF is a black ops site run by Trump to hunt down and kill troons.
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Or are so self-absorbed they think the whole forum was made around them (Vade). Or formerly banned Kiwis from the Tumblr sub (TundraVoltaire). Plus a few hundred Hirtes socks.
 
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Under Bob, they were able to keep the finances under control, and if I recall correctly, Bob left behind some amount of money that could've eliminated or reduced that further, had the Chandlers not decided to try to engage with Michael Snyder again.
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what happened to that guy again? I have been looking for so much christorian chronicles i'm mixing names again
 
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So I just spent some time researching what the criteria for “high functioning autism” is, it says that they have speech issues early in life but only a 1-2 year delay. Didn’t Chris not speak till he was 7? Also the IQ criteria in the 1980’s was only 65. The average IQ for a person with Mild downs is 59-60. I think Chris is either just autistic or he has some other mental disorder like schizophrenia that maybe his Autism prevents from showing in standard ways. Either way if Chris’s IQ is below 70 he shouldn’t live alone or be Barbs car giver. Null can’t fix Chris’s problems and it’s wrong to do it just to keep the nectar flowing. I think it’s time to put this cow out to pasture for her own good. If not some woman will show up at chris’s front door where Null can’t be and next thing you know he’s in a donkey show.
 
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I forgot to add something:

Null is particularly vulnerable to any defamation, not just because he is a moderator and prominent member of the Kiwi Farms and the starter of this hunt against Joshua and Stephen. A few people already know who Null is in reality and have dox on him. Extending an alogy I did in my previous post, Null would get the same respect (and types of conspiracies) that hit Fred Phelps and Al-Qaeda.
 
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This guy reminds me of Michaeldragon800
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I don't know what it is about that video that rubbed me the wrong way exactly, but...just...I mean.....fuck, man CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE GIVE THESE DWEEBS A FUCKING SWIRLY ALREADY!?

I had to stop when he started reciting the button scene from Guardians Of The Galaxy. A man can only be exposed to so much pure nerd before something begins to break

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Oh my God, Null is going to invite Chris to live with him. It will be like Seinfeld all over again.
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I'd watch the fuck out of that reality show
 
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AnOminous said:
I don't think she's actively hostile to him having things, she just doesn't give a shit what happens when she's dead, because like most narcissists, it's just not something that's real to her.



This would be a normal mortgage. Or a home equity loan.



If you said reverse mortgage, then he would be correct in interpreting it that way, because that would actually be a reverse mortgage. With a reverse mortgage, you take out a loan on the house, get a lump sum up front, and interest racks up on that while you live. When you die, they get to sell the house and collect the principal and any interest. If there's anything left it goes on to heirs.

Or the heirs can pay off the sum and keep the house.

The people loaning are hoping you live long enough that they get the house in its entirety, but not much longer, because they don't get to collect any more.
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This guy speaks the truth. If you have heirs, a reverse-mortgage is a terrible thing to do to them since the interest rate is dogshit and the bank will most likely get the house instead of your heirs. But since it's Barb we are talking about, that shouldn't shock anyone
 
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