The Confederate Flag

[KingofManga420]

Why should any store decide which means of personal expression are good and bad for you?

There is no reason being applied to the dropping of this iconography. As I've linked to countless times in this thread, you can easily buy books and products from Nazis, Klansmen, racists, communists, fascists, Michelle Malkin, and hundreds of other reprehensible individuals.

They didn't decide it's good for you. They decided that they didn't want to be associated with it so it's not on their shelves or not on the iTunes Store or whatever (why the fuck would you be going there anyway). It's not about them saying what is or isn't bad for you, it's about 'oh people are shit talking the flag let's get rid of it so we don't look like racists'. That's how business works, pleasing the MAJORITY, not the small number of racists who walk through the Walmart doors fresh out of rebel flags.

Frankly I would give more of a shit if the symbol being phased out wasn't an ignorant and racist symbol of a failed insurgency that has no right being displayed anyway anywhere but museums and re-enactments

 

[HG 400]

They didn't decide it's good for you. They decided that they didn't want to be associated with it so it's not on their shelves or not on the iTunes Store or whatever (why the fuck would you be going there anyway). It's not about them saying what is or isn't bad for you, it's about 'oh people are shit talking the flag let's get rid of it so we don't look like racists'. That's how business works, pleasing the MAJORITY, not the small number of racists who walk through the Walmart doors fresh out of rebel flags.

Frankly I would give more of a shit if the symbol being phased out wasn't an ignorant and racist symbol of a failed insurgency that has no right being displayed anyway anywhere but museums and re-enactments

That's how it starts. Next thing you know, white people are being put in extermination camps and the darkies are taking all our women.

 

[KingofManga420]

That's how it starts. Next thing you know, white people are being put in extermination camps and the darkies are taking all our women.

We can't have that coony ass shit can we, @*Asterisk* ?

 

[AnOminous]

That's how it starts. Next thing you know, white people are being put in extermination camps and the darkies are taking all our women.

FEMA's getting ready to do just that, doncha know. One more false flag with crisis actors and shit, and next thing, Navy SEALs will be rounding everyone up.

 

[dabluearmedbandit]

I have a bigger issue with how homophobic the Confederate flag is. The Confederacy had no openly gay or trans soldiers serving, meanwhile the North was made 100% of faggot liberals. This is a tragedy I cannot forgive, and I stand with Apple's decision to rewrite history and control thought.

 

[*Asterisk*]

They didn't decide it's good for you. They decided that they didn't want to be associated with it so it's not on their shelves or not on the iTunes Store or whatever (why the fuck would you be going there anyway). It's not about them saying what is or isn't bad for you, it's about 'oh people are shit talking the flag let's get rid of it so we don't look like racists'. That's how business works, pleasing the MAJORITY, not the small number of racists who walk through the Walmart doors fresh out of rebel flags.

I don't care why they're doing it. Them doing it is still wrong, cowardly, and hypocritical.

Make no mistake, something like this will happen again. I'm sure @ThonisSH is probably watching Fight Club backwards right now looking for the secret message telling him to start acting just like his hero, and when those poor Slovakian girls or whatever are murdered, there might even be calls to pull Chuck Palahniuk's books from numerous locations. Joe Lieberman might even use the whole thing as an excuse to talk about banning Marilyn Manson again.

It'll be stupid as hell, but it's still worth fighting.

 

[KingofManga420]

I don't care why they're doing it. Them doing it is still wrong, cowardly, and hypocritical.

Make no mistake, something like this will happen again. I'm sure @ThonisSH is probably watching Fight Club backwards right now looking for the secret message telling him start acting just like his hero, and when those poor Slovakian girls or whatever are murdered, there might even be calls to pull Chuck Palahniuk's books from numerous locations. Joe Lieberman might even use the whole thing as an excuse to talk about banning Marilyn Manson again.

It'll be stupid as hell, but it's still worth fighting.

K but Marilyn Manson is some emo guy(?) singing about dark things, but he doesn't stand an evil confederacy from 150+ ago years that tortured, owned, beat, killed and raped black people. There's a reason Marilyn Manson didn't get banned compared to this.

 

[DuskEngine]

ignorant and racist symbol of a failed insurgency that has no right being displayed anyway anywhere but museums and re-enactments

You mean like the flag of the USA?

 

[*Asterisk*]

K but Marilyn Manson is some emo guy(?) singing about dark things, but he doesn't stand an evil confederacy from 150+ ago years that tortured, owned, beat, killed and raped black people. There's a reason Marilyn Manson didn't get banned compared to this.

Who are we to throw stones? The guy on the Nickel had his own children enslaved. Pretty much everyone on all our money was responsible for incalculable suffering to the Indians, aside from maybe FDR, who just settled for stripping hundreds of thousands of Asians of their land and possessions.

Most symbols can be tied toward something horrible, but banning them is never the answer. Every time you do such a thing or support such a thing, you make yourself a prisoner. Even if what you want banned is truly horrible with no redeeming value whatsoever, like the works of Michelle Malkin or Robert Ludlum, you're silencing yourself from acquiring information.

 

[KingofManga420]

You mean like the flag of the USA?

We won that insurgency, we just never did anything worth shit with the victory.

Who are we to throw stones? The guy on the Nickel had his own children enslaved. Pretty much everyone on all our money was responsible for incalculable suffering to the Indians, aside from maybe FDR, who just settled for stripping hundreds of thousands of Asians of their land and possessions.

Most symbols can be tied toward something horrible, but banning them is never the answer. Every time you do such a thing or support such a thing, you make yourself a prisoner. Even if what you want banned is truly horrible with no redeeming value whatsoever, like the works of Michelle Malkin or Robert Ludlum, you're silencing yourself from acquiring information.

Just cause a symbol stops getting sold on the Apple Store doesn't mean it ceases to exist and that people won't learn about it there, Mr. Orwell. Suddenly the big scary federal government wanting people not to be racist shitheads is a MORAL OUTRAGE.

 

[ULTIMATEPRIMETIME]

Who are we to throw stones? The guy on the Nickel had his own children enslaved. Pretty much everyone on all our money was responsible for incalculable suffering to the Indians, aside from maybe FDR, who just settled for stripping hundreds of thousands of Asians of their land and possessions.

Most symbols can be tied toward something horrible, but banning them is never the answer. Every time you do such a thing or support such a thing, you make yourself a prisoner. Even if what you want banned is truly horrible with no redeeming value whatsoever, like the works of Michelle Malkin or Robert Ludlum, you're silencing yourself from acquiring information.

You're literally comparing our founding fathers to a state, which was in essence white ISIS, that used slave labor as the backbone of their economy. Our economy isn't dependent on slaves (retail workers don't count).

 

[*Asterisk*]

Just cause a symbol stops getting sold on the Apple Store doesn't mean it ceases to exist and that people won't learn about it there, Mr. Orwell. Suddenly the big scary federal government wanting people not to be racist shitheads is a MORAL OUTRAGE.

Just so we're clear, you want the US to ban particular flags, books, and other means of expression? Or do you just want them pulled from stores?

If either's true, how do you want to enforce these measures? Who do you know that's trustworthy enough to decide which means of expression are the correct ones under the law? And how do you know this system won't get abused, possibly even by the same people you're trying to fight against?

Because make no mistake, that happens every single time. Those in many Confederate States banned or sought to ban works like Uncle Tom's Cabin, and the likes of them will use any opportunity available to silence speech for their own ends. The only way to stop them is to level the playing field.

 

[*Asterisk*]

You're literally comparing our founding fathers to a state (which was basically white ISIS) that used slave labor as the backbone of their economy.

Slave labor was the backbone of the US economy until the Civil War.

Our Founding Fathers were still great men, and some of them were even forward thinking enough to see that slavery needed to be banned. That doesn't take away from the fact that numerous Founders used the ownership and expulsion of human beings as the capital for building this nation.

 

[KingofManga420]

Just so we're clear, you want the US to ban particular flags, books, and other means of expression? Or do you just want them pulled from stores?

If either's true, how do you want to enforce these measures? Who do you know that's trustworthy enough to decide which means of expression are the correct ones under the law? And how do you know this system won't get abused, possibly even by the same people you're trying to fight against?

Because make no mistake, that happens every single time. Those in many Confederate States banned or sought to ban works like Uncle Tom's Cabin, and the likes of them will use any opportunity available to silence speech for their own ends. The only way to stop them is to level the playing field.

I personally don't give a shit. It's a racist symbol from a former enemy of the States and I don't see a point in taking it as seriously as you are. I'm mostly just having my fun with this and seeing if I can piss you off more than our good friend Dr. Foreskin.

 

[Kirby]

A flag is only as offensive as the people that represent it

This is the perfect pink flag. As you can see, this is a flag that no one can be offended by. No one has a reason to dislike this flag. It is pink, it is pure and it represents nothing but happiness and hope. Therefore this flag doesn't bring up bad memories or offend anyone. No one has a legitimate reason to complain if someone is proudly displaying this flag.

These flags are flags that any autist can sperg about how they are perfect and how they represent happiness and hope in the same way the perfect pink flag does. However, unlike the perfect pink flag which has done no wrong, these flags inherently represent atrocities and wrongdoings that can't simply be ignored so that some confused idiots can feel a sense of edgy "im special and different" pride at the expense of countless people who are still alive today or have ancestors that were inhumanely impacted by the actions and ideologies that were performed under those flags.

I strongly oppose political correctness and personally, I feel that you can say you are proud to be a German and that you respect and look up to someone like Erwin Rommel for being a respectable general even though he fought for Nazi Germany the same way you can say you are proud to be a Southerner and that you respect and look up to someone like Robert E. Lee. However, that doesn't give you an excuse to wave a nazi or a confederate flag around, because to do so would be to ignore all the wrongdoings that those flags represent.

 

[Cuck Norris]

Just so we're clear, you want the US to ban particular flags, books, and other means of expression? Or do you just want them pulled from stores?

If either's true, how do you want to enforce these measures? Who do you know that's trustworthy enough to decide which means of expression are the correct ones under the law? And how do you know this system won't get abused, possibly even by the same people you're trying to fight against?

Because make no mistake, that happens every single time. Those in many Confederate States banned or sought to ban works like Uncle Tom's Cabin, and the likes of them will use any opportunity available to silence speech for their own ends. The only way to stop them is to level the playing field.

What are your feelings on CP in regards to Free Speech?

 

[ULTIMATEPRIMETIME]

Slave labor was the backbone of the US economy until the Civil War.

Our Founding Fathers were still great men, and some of them were even forward thinking enough to see that slavery needed to be banned. That doesn't take away from the fact that numerous Founders used the ownership and expulsion of human beings as the capital for building this nation.

Destroying the confederacy was the defining moment in our history where we abolished slavery forever. Keeping the confederate flag around assumes everything it stands for still exists and that's just stupid.

 

[KingofManga420]

Destroying the confederacy was the defining moment in our history where we abolished slavery forever. Keeping the confederate flag around like everything it stands for still exists is just stupid.

That's how I feel. I don't fucking get how there's any way around it.

 

[*Asterisk*]

I personally don't give a shit. It's a racist symbol from a former enemy of the States and I don't see a point in taking it as seriously as you are. I'm mostly just having my fun with this and seeing if I can piss you off more than our good friend Dr. Foreskin.

Examples in the battle of freedom of speech are often silly. Again, remember 2 Live Crew?

I strongly oppose political correctness and personally, I feel that you can say you are proud to be a German and that you respect and look up to someone like Erwin Rommel for being a respectable general even though he fought for Nazi Germany the same way you can say you are proud to be a Southerner and that you respect and look up to someone like Robert E. Lee. However, that doesn't give you an excuse to wave a nazi or a confederate flag around, because to do so would be to ignore all the wrongdoings that those flags represent.

I don't care if people wanna wave around the Swastika, or the ISIS Flag, or God Hates Fags. It's as much their right to wave it, as it is my right to dump on those horrible fascists by drawing the Prophet Muhammad having gay sex with Hitler.

 

[José Mourinho]