The Confederate Flag

[Flowers For Sonichu]

I have a bigger issue with how homophobic the Confederate flag is. The Confederacy had no openly gay or trans soldiers serving, meanwhile the North was made 100% of faggot liberals. This is a tragedy I cannot forgive, and I stand with Apple's decision to rewrite history and control thought.

my great great grandfather was a confederate spy who dressed up as a woman and would sneak into union camps to get intel so sorry to burst your bubble but the Confederacy totally had trannies who served

 

[dabluearmedbandit]

my great great grandfather was a confederate spy who dressed up as a woman and would sneak into union camps to get intel so sorry to burst your bubble but the Confederacy totally had trannies who served

Okay wow so with this new Intel I would just like to announce that basically I'm back to honestly representing the Confederacy because they equally let fags hate niggers too.

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

Okay wow so with this new Intel I would just like to announce that basically I'm back to honestly representing the Confederacy because they equally let fags hate niggers too.

Though if my great great grandfather were a full blown fag I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be here today

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

my great great grandfather was a confederate spy who dressed up as a woman and would sneak into union camps to get intel so sorry to burst your bubble but the Confederacy totally had trannies who served

I've heard stories of your grandfather! His name was Kimiko Nakamura and he was one of the leading traps of The Civilist War. Semper Fi to xim!

 

[The Knife's Husbando]

Lol this thread. "Look how edgy and racist I am" VS. "look how edgy and librul I am". Your great grandparents died over this, on either side? Well who gives a fuck, its not like you knew them. I'm never gonna understand getting all worked up about family history (or history in general) you had no part in. If your enlightened Northerner grandparents were still alive, they would be even more racist than a modern day Southerner and you wouldn't be defending their honor.

I'm not responsible for the sins of my fathers. I am however, responsible for the sins of my children.

 

[*Asterisk*]

So wait, you're totally fine with a flag that basically glorifies slavery, torture, murder and treason.

But a dude having consensual sex with people paid to do it, who often came back for more, that's where you draw the line and you're okay with the government not forcing Amazon to sell it?

Because Max Hardcore actually went to prison for nothing that was illegal for him to do, solely because it was on video. The government actually prosecuted him for his speech.

So you're totally okay with a man who raped women during shoots and abused women on set to the point of serious physical harm such as vaginal hemorrhaging, but a piece of cloth is totally okay to ban?

Let me clarify that while I do think Max Hardcore should be locked in prison for the rest of his life, I don't think it should be for obscenity. The fact is, he abused, took advantage of, and raped women in his movies. There's some fucked up shit that happens in porn, but when you cross the line into deliberately causing serious harm to the workers involved, you need to be brought down for it. I'd support the same thing happening to those in pro wrestling who deliberately allow the genuine abuse of workers in their shows, like Dixie Carter for allowing Jeff Hardy to deliver an unprotected chair shot to the back of Mr. Anderson's head.

There are many instances of serious physical and mental abuse in show business, and they need to be clamped down on.

Meanwhile, you think it's a horror that Amazon isn't forced to sell things they don't want to sell.

Oh, plus George Lucas is the Devil for not releasing the masters of shit he actually outright fucking owns. What the fuck man.

Amazon sells countless products with offensive messages. Including other national flags which glorify slavery, torture, murder, and treason. Legally, they do have a right to decide which products they don't want to stock. Morally, it's both a dangerous mentality to have and outright hypocritical.

It's the same thing with George Lucas. Legally, he does have the right to decide which of his products he wants to sell, and which he wants to hide or destroy. Morally, what Lucas is doing is atrocious. He's taking pieces of art and popular culture, and butchering it and hiding it from the public. I don't even approve of him hiding things that the world was better off for not having exist, like the Holiday Special. The world's art should never be censured after release no matter if the creators want it.

Besides, don't you recognize the bad precedent it creates if the likes of Amazon continue this precedent to its logical conclusion? Should Ebay start pulling things like Bill Cosby memorabilia? Should iTunes pull music with racist, sexist, or gaybashing messages like the works of Ice Cube? Should Steam pull games like Postal and Hatred from the shop? If you answer yes to any of these questions, do you have anywhere you draw the line? How do you know this power won't be abused in the future?

All those things are actions these companies have the power to do if they want. It's still immoral for them to do so.

 

[CatParty]

The fact is, he abused, took advantage of, and raped women in his movies.

*simulated rape

 

[Guardian G.I.]

I don't get the whole argument, to be honest.
The CSA is my favourite underdog nation in Victoria 2 - in Robmod, you can restart the Atlantic Slave Trade, enslave all spics in the Caribbean region and take no shit from anyone. And of course, they have the coolest flag in the game. Too bad USA crushes them every time, and it's impossible to win the Civil War as the CSA without gratuitous abuse of the debug console.

Also, I've finally joined the people who have rebel flags in their avatars.

 

[KingofManga420]

So you're totally okay with a man who raped women during shoots and abused women on set to the point of serious physical harm such as vaginal hemorrhaging, but a piece of cloth is totally okay to ban?

Let me clarify that while I do think Max Hardcore should be locked in prison for the rest of his life, I don't think it should be for obscenity. The fact is, he abused, took advantage of, and raped women in his movies. There's some fucked up shit that happens in porn, but when you cross the line into deliberately causing serious harm to the workers involved, you need to be brought down for it. I'd support the same thing happening to those in pro wrestling who deliberately allow the genuine abuse of workers in their shows, like Dixie Carter for allowing Jeff Hardy to deliver an unprotected chair shot to the back of Mr. Anderson's head.

There are many instances of serious physical and mental abuse in show business, and they need to be clamped down on.


Amazon sells countless products with offensive messages. Including other national flags which glorify slavery, torture, murder, and treason. Legally, they do have a right to decide which products they don't want to stock. Morally, it's both a dangerous mentality to have and outright hypocritical.

It's the same thing with George Lucas. Legally, he does have the right to decide which of his products he wants to sell, and which he wants to hide or destroy. Morally, what Lucas is doing is atrocious. He's taking pieces of art and popular culture, and butchering it and hiding it from the public. I don't even approve of him hiding things that the world was better off for not having exist, like the Holiday Special. The world's art should never be censured after release no matter if the creators want it.

Besides, don't you recognize the bad precedent it creates if the likes of Amazon continue this precedent to its logical conclusion? Should Ebay start pulling things like Bill Cosby memorabilia? Should iTunes pull music with racist, sexist, or gaybashing messages like the works of Ice Cube? Should Steam pull games like Postal and Hatred from the shop? If you answer yes to any of these questions, do you have anywhere you draw the line? How do you know this power won't be abused in the future?

All those things are actions these companies have the power to do if they want. It's still immoral for them to do so.

Star Wars is a fucking movie and it's not morally wrong that the original cuts are withheld by the man who owns them.

 

[dabluearmedbandit]

Star Wars is a fucking movie and it's not morally wrong that the original cuts are withheld by the man who owns them.

You don't think Star Wars is comparable to the Civil War? What do you think has been happening between them and Trekkies? You really need to stop being so ignorant of history dude, its embarrassing.

Me and Asterisk are gonna go watch the original trilogy and listen to some 2LiveCrew and Johnny Rebel, and I bet you aren't gonna get invited.

 

[Holdek]

It was called 'The War of Bitch Slapping the Redneck States".

A lot of people from both sides died.

According to Ann Coulter, Republican Nikki Haley knows nothing about the rebel flag because she's an immigrant.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...ikki-haley-an-immigrant-who-doesnt-understand

what the hell? That's like saying a pure American (parents are American citizens) can know nothing about Russian history sorely because they're American. They are such things as research and studying. Unless she means that you could only know your history if you are of that race/nationality/etc. but in this day in age, anyone can google European history and claim they're the top scholar of all things European, yet aren't of the descent.

Strange world we live in.

More to the point, Haley isn't an immigrant. That's just factually incorrect. And it wouldn't be the first time Coulter has embarrassed herself on TV about basic facts that everyone else seems to know:

Spoiler: Video

Sometimes I think she may be less of a liar than just .

 

[KingGeedorah]

Woah saw some Max Hardcore facts being thrown around and now I know you fags have gone off the deep end.

Faggots, wave your flags or don't. No one really gives a shit.

Or ban the flags. Who gives a shit?

 

[Silver]

It's the same thing with George Lucas. Legally, he does have the right to decide which of his products he wants to sell, and which he wants to hide or destroy. Morally, what Lucas is doing is atrocious. He's taking pieces of art and popular culture, and butchering it and hiding it from the public. I don't even approve of him hiding things that the world was better off for not having exist, like the Holiday Special. The world's art should never be censured after release no matter if the creators want it.

Not that I really want to dignify such a batshit insane argument with a response, especially not one that addresses the batshit insane comparison, but... Where do you draw the line when it comes to this stuff? Does this apply to any art that has been released?

A forum I used to occasionally visit would automatically delete any topics that had not been active for six months. This included fanfiction. I once wrote a fanfiction and posted it there, but to the best of my recollection I only ever posted it there and never really bothered saving the work in a Word document because it wasn't supposed to be some great masterwork anyway. Is my failure to save it, and the fact that it's now lost to history, also a moral outrage, because I am denying the few people who read this (unfinished) fanfiction the ability to re-read it, even though I specifically stated in the topic that I was not going to finish writing the fanfiction due to personal reasons?

I once posted a piece of music that I had composed on a sheet-music-sharing site. I just uploaded it so I could share it with others, but I don't think I even bothered crediting myself in it, so there's no name on who wrote it. I took it down a while later because a) I didn't want people potentially stealing it with me having no way to prove it is mine and b) I was entering it into a contest, and didn't want the people running the contest to potentially see it on this site - without my name attached to it, with a date that well predates the contest date - and accuse me of stealing the piece from this website with, again, no way to prove I am the same person. Is this also a moral outrage against the community who may have seen my waltz and the couple of people who commented on it?

Your argument is bad and you should feel bad.

 

[Pikonic]

Let the sons of traitors and the daughters of belligerents fly high their rag for God to see!

Bitches still fucking lost the war either way.

 

[nad7155]

It's a piece of fabric with a design on it.

I know the connotations that it brings, but if a flag can still bring such racial divide, what does that say?

 

[Sanic]

 

[*Asterisk*]

*simulated rape

I imagine there were times where it was just simulated, but there were also very clearly times when he performed acts on those women they didn't agree to beforehand and physically hurt them in the process. Rape or abuse, whatever you call it, that is unacceptable. I feel the same way about film directors who abuse their actors, actresses, stuntmen, and stuntwomen.

Star Wars is a fucking movie and it's not morally wrong that the original cuts are withheld by the man who owns them.

Good to know you're just as oblivious to context as ever. At no point did I say that all things which are morally wrong are equal. Lying to your parents that you used a condom after you knocked up your neighbors wife is not the same thing as lying to your parents that you only gave your younger sister the Josh Duggar treatment once and you'll never do it again.

Not that I really want to dignify such a batshit insane argument with a response, especially not one that addresses the batshit insane comparison, but... Where do you draw the line when it comes to this stuff? Does this apply to any art that has been released?

I don't have or need a line. Just because something's immoral doesn't mean there should be a law against it. There are countless immoral things people can do that don't and shouldn't break the law. Competitive eating competitions, for instance.

I don't worry about a registered work disappearing just because the author wants to make it go away. The Library of Congress always has a physical copy of any work of sufficient importance. Copyright is automatic, but to register the copyright and prevent fining, it needs to be sent and registered to the US Copyright Office. Assuming the apocalypse doesn't occur, at some point in history, the copyrights on these works will expire, and people should be able to find any edition of the work they want easily.

Until then, things like George Lucas hiding his own work is still morally wrong. But there doesn't need to be any new laws to come about to keep George Lucas, or anybody else who wants to do what he did, from doing it. You can't legislate morality, but that doesn't mean it's okay to behave in an immoral fashion.

 

[JU 199]

Is asterisk taking it too far again?

*Reads thread*

Damn it man. Have we learnt nothing from the foreskin incident?

 

[Null]

maybe we should bandage his cock in a confederate flag5

 

[KingofManga420]

I imagine there were times where it was just simulated, but there were also very clearly times when he performed acts on those women they didn't agree to beforehand and physically hurt them in the process. Rape or abuse, whatever you call it, that is unacceptable. I feel the same way about film directors who abuse their actors, actresses, stuntmen, and stuntwomen.


Good to know you're just as oblivious to context as ever. At no point did I say that all things which are morally wrong are equal. Lying to your parents that you used a condom after you knocked up your neighbors wife is not the same thing as lying to your parents that you only gave your younger sister the Josh Duggar treatment once and you'll never do it again.


I don't have or need a line. Just because something's immoral doesn't mean there should be a law against it. There are countless immoral things people can do that don't and shouldn't break the law. Competitive eating competitions, for instance.

I don't worry about a registered work disappearing just because the author wants to make it go away. The Library of Congress always has a physical copy of any work of sufficient importance. Copyright is automatic, but to register the copyright and prevent fining, it needs to be sent and registered to the US Copyright Office. Assuming the apocalypse doesn't occur, at some point in history, the copyrights on these works will expire, and people should be able to find any edition of the work they want easily.

Until then, things like George Lucas hiding his own work is still morally wrong. But there doesn't need to be any new laws to come about to keep George Lucas, or anybody else who wants to do what he did, from doing it. You can't legislate morality, but that doesn't mean it's okay to behave in an immoral fashion.

It's not immoral. It's a movie. You are autistic. Enjoy life.