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Is there still a mortgage on the house? That's usually a big expense as well. I'm not an American myself so I'm unsure how the mortgage system there works. As stated earlier, there are monthly/annual recurring costs that needs to be paid. That will be a big bite out of Chris' income. I very much doubt he'll be able to budget himself and he still refuses to get a caretaker. He'll basically find himself tossed in the deep end and he can either learn to swim or drown. What exactly that means is hard to predict for anyone, we'll just have to wait and see.
 
DutchLurker said:
Is there still a mortgage on the house? That's usually a big expense as well. I'm not an American myself so I'm unsure how the mortgage system there works. As stated earlier, there are monthly/annual recurring costs that needs to be paid. That will be a big bite out of Chris' income. I very much doubt he'll be able to budget himself and he still refuses to get a caretaker. He'll basically find himself tossed in the deep end and he can either learn to swim or drown. What exactly that means is hard to predict for anyone, we'll just have to wait and see.
I thought there was, but someone else was telling me that it's common for banks to insist you get a life insurance policy so if you die, your mortgage gets paid off and you don't leave them holding the bag. So, maybe? Maybe not? I don't know.

Chris could handle some of the bills he'd know about. I'd worry about the ones he might not know about.
 
Marvin said:
I've been involved with Chris trolling for awhile. Alec and I have kind of a different perspective because we've partook of a lot more Chris content than the general public. Probably a few times as much? Pre Bob's death, Chris was pretty much as you'd expect him to be. There are a few things Chris did back then that might be surprising, but generally, he was typical Chris.

Post Bob's death, Chris was a lot different and learned some important lessons about life. He also noticed some typical troll patterns to look out for.

That's the thing. Everyone sees Chris' (well, past) crazy behavior and thinks "boy, he can't be that stupid, can he?" And they assume he knows what he's doing, to an extent or loves the attention or something crazy like that. But really, Chris is/was that stupid. Kinda getting less stupid nowadays, but overall, he's a huge dipshit.

I'd characterize his current intelligence as wavery. Sometimes he's very surprisingly intelligent and aware, but then five minutes later he's stupid as shit.
Would you say the "jig is up" when it comes to prodding him online? Even as an observer it's become pretty clear that he has tired of his presence on the Internet, so besides Facebook there seems like it isn't that much more to mine from him, assuming one wouldn't get involved with him in real life.
 
Christ-ian said:
Marvin said:
I've been involved with Chris trolling for awhile. Alec and I have kind of a different perspective because we've partook of a lot more Chris content than the general public. Probably a few times as much? Pre Bob's death, Chris was pretty much as you'd expect him to be. There are a few things Chris did back then that might be surprising, but generally, he was typical Chris.

Post Bob's death, Chris was a lot different and learned some important lessons about life. He also noticed some typical troll patterns to look out for.

That's the thing. Everyone sees Chris' (well, past) crazy behavior and thinks "boy, he can't be that stupid, can he?" And they assume he knows what he's doing, to an extent or loves the attention or something crazy like that. But really, Chris is/was that stupid. Kinda getting less stupid nowadays, but overall, he's a huge dipshit.

I'd characterize his current intelligence as wavery. Sometimes he's very surprisingly intelligent and aware, but then five minutes later he's stupid as shit.
Would you say the "jig is up" when it comes to prodding him online? Even as an observer it's become pretty clear that he has tired of his presence on the Internet, so besides Facebook there seems like it isn't that much more to mine from him, assuming one wouldn't get involved with him in real life.
Uhh, more or less. If you've got a girl who's willing to meet Chris IRL or if you're friends with Anna or something, then maybe you could pull something off. But yeah, purely internet stuff probably won't succeed.

Like, IRL plans might work. He's a lot better at noticing typical troll patterns nowadays. Though he's really bad on actually putting what he's learned into practice. You could meet him IRL once, just to establish that you're a girl, and string him along for a few weeks.
 
Christ-ian said:
Marvin said:
I've been involved with Chris trolling for awhile. Alec and I have kind of a different perspective because we've partook of a lot more Chris content than the general public. Probably a few times as much? Pre Bob's death, Chris was pretty much as you'd expect him to be. There are a few things Chris did back then that might be surprising, but generally, he was typical Chris.

Post Bob's death, Chris was a lot different and learned some important lessons about life. He also noticed some typical troll patterns to look out for.

That's the thing. Everyone sees Chris' (well, past) crazy behavior and thinks "boy, he can't be that stupid, can he?" And they assume he knows what he's doing, to an extent or loves the attention or something crazy like that. But really, Chris is/was that stupid. Kinda getting less stupid nowadays, but overall, he's a huge dipshit.

I'd characterize his current intelligence as wavery. Sometimes he's very surprisingly intelligent and aware, but then five minutes later he's stupid as shit.
Would you say the "jig is up" when it comes to prodding him online? Even as an observer it's become pretty clear that he has tired of his presence on the Internet, so besides Facebook there seems like it isn't that much more to mine from him, assuming one wouldn't get involved with him in real life.

Chris seems to have done a full 180 and gone from "trusting everyone" to "trusting nobody".
He seems to be really paranoid, and there have been a couple of instances where he's seen trolls where there aren't any. A rather bizarre one was somebody on this forum posting an offhand remark about north Korea and Chris posted a screencap of the comment and linking it to some Koreans who turned up at his door. He was saying "I thought they were suspicious" and thinking they were trying to poison him.

Common sense would indicate that they were maybe just from a local restaurant and handing out flyers. In fact I doubt they were even Korean and Chris just saw Asian people and joined the dots.
 
Anchuent Christory said:
Christ-ian said:
Marvin said:
I've been involved with Chris trolling for awhile. Alec and I have kind of a different perspective because we've partook of a lot more Chris content than the general public. Probably a few times as much? Pre Bob's death, Chris was pretty much as you'd expect him to be. There are a few things Chris did back then that might be surprising, but generally, he was typical Chris.

Post Bob's death, Chris was a lot different and learned some important lessons about life. He also noticed some typical troll patterns to look out for.

That's the thing. Everyone sees Chris' (well, past) crazy behavior and thinks "boy, he can't be that stupid, can he?" And they assume he knows what he's doing, to an extent or loves the attention or something crazy like that. But really, Chris is/was that stupid. Kinda getting less stupid nowadays, but overall, he's a huge dipshit.

I'd characterize his current intelligence as wavery. Sometimes he's very surprisingly intelligent and aware, but then five minutes later he's stupid as shit.
Would you say the "jig is up" when it comes to prodding him online? Even as an observer it's become pretty clear that he has tired of his presence on the Internet, so besides Facebook there seems like it isn't that much more to mine from him, assuming one wouldn't get involved with him in real life.

Chris seems to have done a full 180 and gone from "trusting everyone" to "trusting nobody".
He seems to be really paranoid, and there have been a couple of instances where he's seen trolls where there aren't any. A rather bizarre one was somebody on this forum posting an offhand remark about north Korea and Chris posted a screencap of the comment and linking it to some Koreans who turned up at his door. He was saying "I thought they were suspicious" and thinking they were trying to poison him.

Common sense would indicate that they were maybe just from a local restaurant and handing out flyers. In fact I doubt they were even Korean and Chris just saw Asian people and joined the dots.
Yeah, really, this. Like, because of how stupid Chris is/was, trusting nobody is the only way he'd successfully escape the trolling. He's made some respectable attempts to differentiate trustable people from non-trustable people, but like I said before, we are still smarter than him.

Really, we'll probably get bored before he learns completely how to dodge the trolls. Hell, we took a long break from trolling him after Bob died because he was so fucked up by Bob's death. Then life started trolling Chris.
 
Null said:
Marvin said:
he was so fucked up by Bob's death
How so?
Well, maybe I should've phrased it better, but he was mourning. His father died.

Don't know how else to put it.
 
Null said:
Marvin said:
he was so fucked up by Bob's death
How so?
From what Marvin has said Chris isn't so naive/optimistic about his future. With Bob's death it really hit home that yes, his parents will die and sooner rather than later. If you read the Jackie e-mails he seems almost untouched by the fact that Bob had surgery for cancer. Maybe an exaggeration but he didn't sound too concerned.

Another big hit was the trial. While he had gotten in trouble before this is really the first time he was punished for his crime. This basically cemented in his head that no, you can't always win. Especially against the police/legal system.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but current Chris is much less cheery than the one we know and love.
 
DrChristianTroy said:
Null said:
Marvin said:
he was so fucked up by Bob's death
How so?
From what Marvin has said Chris isn't so naive/optimistic about his future. With Bob's death it really hit home that yes, his parents will die and sooner rather than later. If you read the Jackie e-mails he seems almost untouched by the fact that Bob had surgery for cancer. Maybe an exaggeration but he didn't sound too concerned.
Yeah, Chris had some sort of belief that he was guaranteed to have his father around for a few more years. So while Bob was dying in the hospital, Chris was skipping along, unaffected. And then Bob actually did die and it really took Chris by surprise.
DrChristianTroy said:
Another big hit was the trial. While he had gotten in trouble before this is really the first time he was punished for his crime. This basically cemented in his head that no, you can't always win. Especially against the police/legal system.
Chris has some of the most bizarre beliefs about dreams and premonitions and stuff like that. Losing the trial might've helped teach him a lesson about trusting dreams to be god-given promises.
DrChristianTroy said:
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but current Chris is much less cheery than the one we know and love.
Oh yeah, no, you're right. It also probably doesn't help that he's stuck inside the house.
 
Chris thought he'd win the trial because of a dream? Must have forgotten that tidbit. I have no doubt that shook his belief of dreams being prophecies.
 
DrChristianTroy said:
Chris thought he'd win the trial because of a dream? Must have forgotten that tidbit. I have no doubt that shook his belief of dreams being prophecies.
Well, I don't know about any specifics about that... might not even be public, I don't remember. But it's not a new concept that Chris will bet the farm on dream prophecies he receives.
 
BillRiley said:
Faced with the prospect of having to do his own laundry, Chris-C­han will decide he can't live without mommy and attempt to overdose on Flintstone vitamins.
I don't think laundry will ever be an issue in Chris's mind. He'll wear his dirty clothes until they either fall apart or are too caked with dirt to bend, then he'll throw them out the window into the backyard and go buy more at the thrift store.

Marvin said:
I'd characterize his current intelligence as wavery. Sometimes he's very surprisingly intelligent and aware, but then five minutes later he's stupid as shit.
In an odd way, he's almost becoming aware of how unaware he is. I think this is why he's kicked into overdrive the whole "I need other people to find me a girlfriend/take care of my needs" thing. He always had it because he's lazy, but now it's exacerbated by his dim realization of how helpless he is. But like you say, it only happens some of the time.

Marvin said:
I've said this a million times, I'm sure, but Chris can lie to himself about a lot of things, but physical realities are a lot harder for him to lie to himself about. At the end of the day, no matter how hard he tries, Chris can't lie his ps3 into working without electricity. He knows that, we all know that. The electricity bill will be paid. I worry about things that Chris might not know about on his own, like property taxes and things like that. Though if the county sends him a bill in the mail, he might pay it.
Yep. Remember folks, lazy and unmoving as Chris normally is, he dropped everything and moved mountains to replace his run-over triple as soon as humanly possible. A girlfriend asks him to draw her a cartoon about their love? Good luck getting a single page in under two weeks. But the PS3 dies? He's at def-con 4. Chris is quite motivated when it comes to the few things he really cares about.

Marvin said:
DrChristianTroy said:
Chris thought he'd win the trial because of a dream? Must have forgotten that tidbit. I have no doubt that shook his belief of dreams being prophecies.
Well, I don't know about any specifics about that... might not even be public, I don't remember. But it's not a new concept that Chris will bet the farm on dream prophecies he receives.
Probably a big part of why he's now ready to declare God a troll... too many such "prophecies" have passed unfulfilled. And after becoming occasionally dimly aware, Chris is starting to say "hey, wait a minute" any time he thinks back on all those promises of glory and happiness God supposedly made him.

Of course, Chris being Chris, he jumps to the notion that God was talking to him in his dreams, but just lying. He doesn't think about the simpler possibility, that his dreams were just ordinary dreams, without any supernatural message behind them.
 
Alec Benson Leary said:
In an odd way, he's almost becoming aware of how unaware he is. I think this is why he's kicked into overdrive the whole "I need other people to find me a girlfriend/take care of my needs" thing. He always had it because he's lazy, but now it's exacerbated by his dim realization of how helpless he is.

Marvin said:
DrChristianTroy said:
Chris thought he'd win the trial because of a dream? Must have forgotten that tidbit. I have no doubt that shook his belief of dreams being prophecies.
Well, I don't know about any specifics about that... might not even be public, I don't remember. But it's not a new concept that Chris will bet the farm on dream prophecies he receives.
Probably a big part of why he's now ready to declare God a troll... too many such "prophecies" have passed unfulfilled. And after becoming occasionally dimly aware, Chris is starting to say "hey, wait a minute" any time he thinks back on all those promises of glory and happiness God supposedly made him.

Of course, Chris being Chris, he jumps to the notion that God was talking to him in his dreams, but just lying. He doesn't think about the simpler possibility, that his dreams were just ordinary dreams, without any supernatural message behind them.

With due respect for his mental problems, I can't help but wonder whether Chris's faith in his dreams wasn't simply more of his wishful thinking.

One of the defining elements of Chris's life could be summed up in one word: Limitation. Everywhere Chris goes, his walls go with him. He's had a condition that prevents him from interacting with other humans in a reasonable fashion for his entire life. These walls were never supposed to be a problem, though; according to Borb's philosophies about social contracts, the world was obligated to take care of Chris. So it made sense that Chris realized the "needed a sweetheart" after they passed. It was someone's duty to take care of him when they were gone, he wouldn't be able to do it himself.

This was a tacit admission that Chris was a powerless - or, as Alec more appropriately wrote, helpless - individual who was under the authority of anyone smarter than him at the time. This would include his parents, teachers, cops, trolls, and even a 13-year-old kid. Knocking Chris down is not hard to do. All one has to do is put a little bass in their voice and be ready to cuff him when he bolts. I mean, sheesh - according to the recent Jackie e-mails, Barb made Chris sit while she cut his hair. In 2010. HE WAS 28.

But, then again, Chris was 26 when he brought that exact same woman to the Game Place to get his ban lifted. Chris knew that he was limited, but happily accepted that, because others were supposed to do for him - as seen with his running to mommy to get something unfixable fixed. Mom had authority that Chris could never hope to have.

Going back to the hair cutting thing for a moment - What was Chris's reaction to that? He immediately constructed a talisman that he wore around his neck, made from his own hair, in order to promote hair growth. We like to say Chris is a dummy because yes, Chris is a dummy of the highest order. But he's not insane, nor is he given to hallucinations or psychotic episodes. Chris lives in a world that he can't accurately perceive, and so its boundaries are a little more fudgy than for a neurotypical person. He's a powerless individual, and so tries to make his own magic in order to deal with the gap between his perception and reality. Its really the only thing he can do - just sort of try and manifest his wishes, because he can't achieve them on his own.

So, Chris goes to sleep, and from the misty ether bursts a shining vision of clarity. This probably doesn't happen very often in his waking hours, so its a special vision, but what's more is that Chris is seeing a wonderful revelation of what he wants being laid out in front of him, without him having to lift a finger - he's asleep, after all!

Does Chris realize it's just a desire-based dream? You know ... I think he always has, deep down. But I feel that, just like the magic he imbued the his hair-bag with, or the importance of CWCville, Chris imposed significance where none existed, because to do otherwise would be to accept that no, there is no sweetheart waiting to have sex with him; no, there is no daughter in his future; no, there will be no victory in court for him. It would be to accept that the only place where Chris could be an undisputed winner would be in the random fiction of his dreamscape, a place so insubstantial that it disappears the moment he wakes up.

Dreams are Chris's religion. He doesn't really have faith in his dreams so much as he has a desire for them to be real, which is why he holds (held) to them so desperately. Because there's one thing that his dreams provide that his limitations and the real world never let him have: hope for the future.

As ever, could be wrong.
 
At least GodJesus didn't tell Chris Chan to become a chef. Any food that he touched with his dirty MANOS would immediately turn into a health hazard, yuck.
 
Marvin said:
Anchuent Christory said:
I get the feeling that Chris may surprise some people when it comes to bill paying. All that really need to be done is to set up direct debits/standing orders.This is no more difficult than buying stuff online. I think when it gets down to it, the prospect of being homeless will override Chris' natural inclination to just not do things. Necessity will end up being the responsible parent he never had. His main challenge will be restraining his money wasting instincts and ensure that the cash is actually in the bank when it comes to bill paying day.

If anythings going to cause trouble for him it'll some sort of unexpected situation or hidden cost.
This.

I've said this a million times, I'm sure, but Chris can lie to himself about a lot of things, but physical realities are a lot harder for him to lie to himself about. At the end of the day, no matter how hard he tries, Chris can't lie his ps3 into working without electricity. He knows that, we all know that. The electricity bill will be paid. I worry about things that Chris might not know about on his own, like property taxes and things like that. Though if the county sends him a bill in the mail, he might pay it.

Yeah but wasn't there one audio where Barb was in the background berating him about not paying certain bills that month and accusing him of lying?
 
Here's my prediction of the next Chronicle in the exciting life of Christian Weston Chandler...

Borb will pass away, and Chris will be left with the hoard. In an attempt to get his new parentless life on track he will decide to clean out the house and sell it. To do so he will dial up the producers of Hoarders (who have already contacted him prior) and thus begins the newest chapter in the saga of C.W.C.: Chris Chan the Reality TV Star. After Hoarders, he'll head to MTV who've already hyped their newest MTV Tomgirl VJ on the show Failosophy where Chris Chan will reintroduce Jackass to a whole new generation, this time: with an all autistic cast! Chris' personal life will blossom when he finds a sweetheart in Amanda Bynes, and the two of them suck on a sour patch kid into the sunset together happily ever after.
 
Alec Benson Leary said:
Marvin said:
I'd characterize his current intelligence as wavery. Sometimes he's very surprisingly intelligent and aware, but then five minutes later he's stupid as shit.
In an odd way, he's almost becoming aware of how unaware he is. I think this is why he's kicked into overdrive the whole "I need other people to find me a girlfriend/take care of my needs" thing. He always had it because he's lazy, but now it's exacerbated by his dim realization of how helpless he is. But like you say, it only happens some of the time.

It's almost like he's reaching out for the special needs parenting he never had, although I'm sure he doesn't conceptualize it that way.
 
BigAltheGreat921 said:
The medallion was MADE FROM HIS HAIR?!?! :shock: Where is that from?

From the Jackie email dump, May 7, 2011:

This was supposed to be the Year of Me; I was making Best Social
Progress with the Mary Tyler Moore hairstyle, with Better
Self-Confidence; Gone in a snip snip snip of my mother's claws. I also
have retrieved the hair clippings shortly after the tragedy, gathered
them in a clump, wrapped the clump in a plastic wrap, put it in a
plush, satin-like baggie, attached a necklace to it, and I am wearing
my clippings as a Charm to prayfully promote quicker hair growth and
recovery.



Oh, also:

I also have had my ears pierced with
amythest studs (my birthstone) recently. I have been more
self-confident, and I have a sweet sashay walk, hair and wink flirts,
and I am greeting women left and right. Hello. ;)


:tomgirl:
 
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