The Elder Scrolls

[c-no]

Nords would still zerg rush against the mages and scare them with their voice
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Nords would still fall if they ever had to deal with Redguards that know how to split atoms with a sword or fight An-Xileel scalies Argonians. How many Nords would even know the power of the Thuum if the only one that did any shouting was Ulfric?

 

[RP 520]

I think almos evryone sides with the legion since Ulfric is kind of a douchebag. Most people sign up for the stormcloaks because they've already tried the legions questline and wanna try something new.

First run I went with Ulfric because I hate high-elves and their snootiness. Both the Stormcloaks and Thalmor are racist, possibly genocidal douches but looking at the big picture The Empire is the right choice as they could eventually get their shit together and get the Thalmor off their backs.

 

[sea panther]

I went Stormcloaks my first run because I did Dark Brotherhood almost immediately after starting the game and had a dumb moralfag moment where I was like "how can I be empire and kill emperor??" like it mattered. I regretted it mostly because the jarl of Whiterun was disappointed in me and made me feel bad. And also because Ulfric is dumb.

 

[Count groudon]

I mean I tried going as a stormcloak my first time. But they kind of talk down to you if you aren't a Nord, and Ulfric is just an arrogant cunt. First chance I got I sold the stormcloaks out and joined the legion. Watching Ulfrics body go limp and fly back when he got hit with my lightning bolt was one of the most satisfying times I've had in Skyrim.

 

[Burned Man]

I always side with the Legion just because how stupid the stormcloaks seem looking at the big picture. They seem to forget that the Empire lost the war against the Dominion and would have been completely destroyed if they didn't meet the demands. Instead of gearing up for war with the Dominion when the next war inevitably starts they start a war against the Empire doing exactly what the Dominion very obviously wants weakening both parties. Either Ulfric is power hunger or stupid. Also they're pretty racist.

 

[John Titor]

I can sort of understand the Stormcloaks side but I think their story could have been executed a little better.

Either way, whoever wins, I'm disappointed nothing could be done with Maven. Fuck Maven.

 

[c-no]

I can sort of understand the Stormcloaks side but I think their story could have been executed a little better.

Either way, whoever wins, I'm disappointed nothing could be done with Maven. Fuck Maven.

Yeah, Maven is the only con I'd find in fighting for Imperials. Sure one can say the con that the Legion has is working for an empire that banned Talos worship but outside of that, I couldn't care less. I pretty much pick Legion due to Balgruuf. Had Bethesda done something different like convince Balgruuf, I might of chosen to fight for Ulfric but in the end, my Morrowind days kinda made me chose to picking the Legion (along with killing the Dark Brotherhood).

As for Talos, I honestly wonder whats so great about Talos. Just because Tiber Septim became a god and got rid of Cyrodiil's jungle doesn't make him as special as Vivec. Only special thing I know of with Talos was becoming the last divine that had a special piece of equipment for the Knight of the Nine quest which could lead to destroying Umaril.

 

[Burned Man]

Yeah, Maven is the only con I'd find in fighting for Imperials. Sure one can say the con that the Legion has is working for an empire that banned Talos worship but outside of that, I couldn't care less. I pretty much pick Legion due to Balgruuf. Had Bethesda done something different like convince Balgruuf, I might of chosen to fight for Ulfric but in the end, my Morrowind days kinda made me chose to picking the Legion (along with killing the Dark Brotherhood).

As for Talos, I honestly wonder whats so great about Talos. Just because Tiber Septim became a god and got rid of Cyrodiil's jungle doesn't make him as special as Vivec. Only special thing I know of with Talos was becoming the last divine that had a special piece of equipment for the Knight of the Nine quest which could lead to destroying Umaril.

There is a book in Skyrim I like called the Talos mistake. Its a piece of Thalmor propaganda that says that worshiping Tiber Septim as a god is wrong because it overshadows what he did as a man. The book tries to placate the Thalmor but I think in a way it has the opposite effect of saying that man is capable of tremendous almost divine deeds something the Mer over Men Thalmor might not appreciate.

 

[caffeinated_wench]

I can sort of understand the Stormcloaks side but I think their story could have been executed a little better.

Either way, whoever wins, I'm disappointed nothing could be done with Maven. Fuck Maven.

Oh dear god, Maven.

She still acts like she runs things even if you're controlling the Thieves Guild and the Dark Brotherhood and you've single-handedly got them back on their feet, negating their (mostly the Guild's) need for her support.

I kinda wish (mods not withstanding) that you could've become High King. Because fuck you, I'm Dovahkiin.

 

[c-no]

Oh dear god, Maven.

She still acts like she runs things even if you're controlling the Thieves Guild and the Dark Brotherhood and you've single-handedly got them back on their feet, negating their (mostly the Guild's) need for her support.

I kinda wish (mods not withstanding) that you could've become High King. Because fuck you, I'm Dovahkiin.

Yeah, the fuck you I'm Dovahkiin thing is one reason one would want to be High King. So what if Maven has "connections", that means jack when you are guildmaster of thieves and assassins respectively along with killing what may as well be the Nord version of Satan. Add to that her son/husband (I dont know what Bethesda intended the guy to be) on the list as well, thinks you're some lowly adventure who falls to his skill with the sword. That means jack as well when you can throw a shout that disarms him while you cut him down.

Besides, one would wish outside of mods you'd tell the Blades to let Paarthurnax go. Sure the dragon says its wise not to trust him but considering he stayed out of mortal affairs for so long and even led a revolt against Alduin because Kynareth asked him, one could give the dragon benefit of doubt. Besides, Delphine can claim to be the last blade and all but the fact that all she did was get Esbern and told you to find a shout that only forces a dragon to land is nothing compared to again slaying the Nord version of Satan that is Alduin. All this said, honestly do wish Bethesda also allowed one to dismantle the Thieves Guild. Not really a fan of Brynjolf trying to approach me (not really keen on framing an elf and being a guy who extorts money as one of my thief assignments.)

 

[caffeinated_wench]

Yeah, the fuck you I'm Dovahkiin thing is one reason one would want to be High King. So what if Maven has "connections", that means jack when you are guildmaster of thieves and assassins respectively along with killing what may as well be the Nord version of Satan. Add to that her son/husband (I dont know what Bethesda intended the guy to be) on the list as well, thinks you're some lowly adventure who falls to his skill with the sword. That means jack as well when you can throw a shout that disarms him while you cut him down.

Besides, one would wish outside of mods you'd tell the Blades to let Paarthurnax go. Sure the dragon says its wise not to trust him but considering he stayed out of mortal affairs for so long and even led a revolt against Alduin because Kynareth asked him, one could give the dragon benefit of doubt. Besides, Delphine can claim to be the last blade and all but the fact that all she did was get Esbern and told you to find a shout that only forces a dragon to land is nothing compared to again slaying the Nord version of Satan that is Alduin. All this said, honestly do wish Bethesda also allowed one to dismantle the Thieves Guild. Not really a fan of Brynjolf trying to approach me (not really keen on framing an elf and being a guy who extorts money as one of my thief assignments.)

Skyrim's inhabitants (mostly the Nords) run on the belief that a prospective leader needs to be a person who gets shit done, and you're a walking one-man army. Nobody would fuck with High King Dovahkiin.

I never really liked that about the Blades. They're all "we serve the Dragonborn" but then have the gall to bark orders at you. Honestly? I side with Paarthurnax every time, not just because of that though. They sound good at first, but to me they ultimately come off as just wanting to kill dragons for the sake of being relevant again, regardless of whether or not the dragon is good or bad. Doesn't help that technically you're a dragon in humanoid form.

I'm not keen of that one either. And you can never bust him out. Your only real option is to fail it intentionally, but you still get in either way.

 

[c-no]

Skyrim's inhabitants (mostly the Nords) run on the belief that a prospective leader needs to be a person who gets shit done, and you're a walking one-man army. Nobody would fuck with High King Dovahkiin.

I never really liked that about the Blades. They're all "we serve the Dragonborn" but then have the gall to bark orders at you. Honestly? I side with Paarthurnax every time, not just because of that though. They sound good at first, but to me they ultimately come off as just wanting to kill dragons for the sake of being relevant again, regardless of whether or not the dragon is good or bad. Doesn't help that technically you're a dragon in humanoid form.

I'm not keen of that one either. And you can never bust him out. Your only real option is to fail it intentionally, but you still get in either way.

Considering the blades, @Oglooger or @exball posted an image that came from /v/, theorizing that Delphine and Esbern are more of wannabe dragon slayers who came across some Blades archives or something. In all seriousness, them barking orders is not only stupid, it would make some players want to kill them considering how you have some not wanting to kill Paarthurnax.

 

[RP 520]

After reading the last couple of posts I'm reminded how Skyrim is and forever will be unfinished because Bethesda just wanted the moneys... That unfinished Skyrim Civil War, the wife-less Ork, and the way the plot set up was to allow various pivotal turning points regarding Daedra worship, various guilds, werewolves, and the fate of the Empire, Elves, and Skyrim, but were never really expanded on due to the rush that was put on the game's development. So most of the quests were cut, left unfinished or replaced with repeating quests.

 

[c-no]

After reading the last couple of posts I'm reminded how Skyrim is and forever will be unfinished because Bethesda just wanted the moneys... That unfinished Skyrim Civil War, the wife-less Ork, and the way the plot set up was to allow various pivotal turning points regarding Daedra worship, various guilds, werewolves, and the fate of the Empire, Elves, and Skyrim, but were never really expanded on due to the rush that was put on the game's development. So most of the quests were cut, left unfinished or replaced with repeating quests.

Considering Civil War quest, it would really be nice if there was something done about the straggler camps. I mean, without the unofficial patch, it would be nice to do something with the leaders of those camps. Hell, they could of at least made some sort of quest-line or whatever involving some pissed off Legion or Stormcloaks wanting your head on a pike because Skyrim seceded or Talos can't be worshiped openly. Considering the fate of everything, iirc, Kirkbride says the Thalmor sort of succeeded except not in they way they wanted. To try and sum it up, humans are no where to be seen, Numidium comes back and fucks up everything, wipes Thalmor out of existence and ends up forcing the Dunmer and some Khajiit to settle on the moon. It's as crazy as it sounds.

 

[Linako 2.0]

I decided to waste my money on TES because it was on sale and I decided the best way to enjoy it was to consider it "non canon but canon".
As in, you are not really in Tamriel but instead still trapped in Molag Bal's rape dimension.
It's still hard to get used to the voices.

 

[Count groudon]

What really gets me about the plot of Skyrim is how the dragonborn is just some random asshole that hopped the border and got caught. I mean I'm definately no authority on TES lore, but wasn't it established that the dragonborn is typically the emperor of Cyrodiil or at least related to the royal family in some way?

 

[caffeinated_wench]

What really gets me about the plot of Skyrim is how the dragonborn is just some random asshole that hopped the border and got caught. I mean I'm definately no authority on TES lore, but wasn't it established that the dragonborn is typically the emperor of Cyrodiil or at least related to the royal family in some way?

I think that was established as a different kind of "dragonborn" granted by Akatosh (?) to Alessia. They're not the same kind of dragonborn as the player character.

 

[Count groudon]

I think that was established as a different kind of "dragonborn" granted by Akatosh (?) to Alessia. They're not the same kind of dragonborn as the player character.

Man these games are complicated

 

[c-no]

Man these games are complicated

Lore itself is even more complicated. Consider reading the works Kirkbride made for the games such as the 36 Lessons of Vivec or even C0DA (Kirkbrides attempt at answering canon and non-canon. To tl;dr, it's canon to you which means in your own TES universe, the dragonborn was some creepy looking loli vampiress made by a lonely neckbeard). Another example can be The Warp in the West, Bethesda's attempt at making all Daggerfall endings canon save for the one where Numidium goes berserk and attacks Tamriel before getting destroyed by the empire.

 

[Tranhuviya]

>The Nerevarine died/disappeared in the most hostile place on Nirn.
>The Hero snapped shut the jaws of Oblivion, but inadvertently brought about the rise of the Thalmor as we know them. They also killed the Septim dynasty.
>The Last Dragonborn is only creating a Falmer moleman master race by cleaning up the gene pool, not to mention the Civil War's aftermath and Guild quests.

Why are the protagonists of these games incapable of making positive, lasting changes?