The Elder Scrolls

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

Speaking of it, how is ESO?

No idea. I don't play MMO's. But the biggest complaint I've heard about it are all lore complaints from lorefags if that means anything.

 

[Shidoen]

No idea. I don't play MMO's. But the biggest complaint I've heard about it are all lore complaints from lorefags if that means anything.

Lore is important especially if they go about it like the jet jackass in the fallout 4 writing team.

 

[Vault Boy]

So I must sadly declare that I'm dropping Morrowind. I simply got burned out by all the worthless faction quests and never got to a point where anything hooked me. I caved and just read the plot synopsis online.

I can absolutely see why people love this game more that TES4 and 5. The world is interesting enough, with a unique aesthetic and lovely soundtrack. Funny enough, most of my issues with the game are similar to my issues with the other games (lackluster quests, boring combat, getting to godhood way too early). I already moaned about having to scour for quests and I'm not a guy that likes alt tabbing to wikis. I'm just watching this video now and it's reinforcing my thoughts on the game:

Speaking of it, how is ESO?

At least you gave the game a chance, I agree that the faction quests weren't anything to write home about (didn't even finish House Redoran off when I played the game, things started to feel too samey after a while). As for TES Online, I enjoyed what I played on Xbox One back in 2015, but I didn't play much as I wasn't sure if I could commit to an MMO (that, and the game's takes up a ridiculous amount of space).

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

Lore is important especially if they go about it like the jet jackass in the fallout 4 writing team.

Bethesda has always played it loose with Elder Scrolls lore though.

I mean, damn near the entirety of Skyrim now worships the Imperial Pantheon even during a Civil War to break away from the Empire due to religious persecution.

 

[Shidoen]

Bethesda has always played it loose with Elder Scrolls lore though.

I mean, damn near the entirety of Skyrim now worships the Imperial Pantheon even during a Civil War to break away from the Empire due to religious persecution.

The Eight were created by combining the Nordic Pantheon and the better Ayleid gods into the modern Imperial Pantheon. The Ninth, Talos aka Tiber Septim the greatest emperor and a badass Nord, made a lot of the humans in Skyrim mostly Nords angry,

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

The Eight were created by combining the Nordic Pantheon and the better Ayleid gods into the modern Imperial Pantheon. The Ninth, Talos aka Tiber Septim the greatest emperor and a badass Nord, made a lot of the humans in Skyrim mostly Nords angry,

If you can cope this well for Skyrim, you can cope this well for ESO.

 

[Shidoen]

If you can cope this well for Skyrim, you can cope this well for ESO.

How is it cope, it's literally a lore sound reason for the Skyrim Civil War.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

How is it cope, it's literally a lore sound reason for the Skyrim Civil War.

Because it's stupid as fuck. The Nords were portrayed as being very devout in the Nordic pantheon in Morrowind and Oblivion, but you're telling me that everyone except Froki just decided to start going with the Imperial Pantheon because of the White Gold Concordant? And only got upset because Talos wasn't a part of it?

It becomes especially stupid in regards to replacing Kyne with Kynareth.

It's as lore sound as the Jet retcon, but also just as stupid.

 

[Shidoen]

Because it's stupid as fuck. The Nords were portrayed as being very devout in the Nordic pantheon in Morrowind and Oblivion, but you're telling me that everyone except Froki just decided to start going with the Imperial Pantheon because of the White Gold Concordant? And only got upset because Talos wasn't a part of it?

It becomes especially stupid in regards to replacing Kyne with Kynareth.

It's as lore sound as the Jet retcon.

It declined in the Fourth Era, right after the Oblivion Crisis.
From the gay ass wiki:
During the Third Era the Nords were still devout followers of their own Pantheon, with the Nords of Bruma even refusing to attend sermons of the Nine in favor of their own gods.[3][4][5][6] On the isle of Solstheim, a dedicated following to Kyne existed, known as the Fryse Hags.[7] These female Nords were unaccepting of anyone not part of their order, and would engage in combat with them.[8]

In contrast to the Third Era, sometime during the Fourth Era worship of the Nordic Pantheon had begun to decline, with most of Skyrim instead worshipping the Imperial Divines by 4E 201.[9][10] However, mention of the Nordic gods still formed a part of common Nord expressions.[11] The only Nord known to have still worshipped one of the Nordic gods was Froki Whetted-Blade, a devout follower of Kyne.[12]

Though I do hate retcons, this makes sense since a literal avatar of Akatosh to beat the shit outta faggot Mehrunes Dagon. I would start worshipping the shit out of the Imperial Pantheon due to the sheer god fuckery that was happening. Word travels fast since 1. Skyrim was the home of the humans of Tamriel that migrated from Atmora. 2. Nords help compose a lot of the imperial military which would help the spread of said religion. 3. Pelinal Whitestrake was a badass human (cyborg maybe) who killed elves and all men despite their differences loathe the mer. Overall, it just seemed the imperial pantheon steadily integrated in Nord Society like religions normally do.

Edit: The Skaal also were a different sect by completely worshipping the All-Creator so it's also possible for Nords to still have separate religions despite the majority popularity still ever changing.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

Quoting a wiki telling me "lol Nords changed their mind" isn't necessary. I was already aware of what the retcon was. A long winded explanation doesn't change my mind that it was stupid and lazy as fuck.

I'm just saying it's really weird to claim lore is important when Bethesda retcons lore all the fucking time. It's especially weird to get hung up on Jet when you're okay with lazy as fuck retcons elsewhere.

 

[Shidoen]

Quoting a wiki telling me "lol Nords changed their mind" isn't necessary. I was already aware of what the retcon was. A long winded explanation doesn't change my mind that it was stupid and lazy as fuck.

I'm just saying it's really weird to claim lore is important when Bethesda retcons lore all the fucking time. It's especially weird to get hung up on Jet when you're okay with lazy as fuck retcons elsewhere.

Alright, Jet when it wasn't a pre-war drug and with a writer saying who cares vs Nords adopting the Imperial Pantheon which has a history rooted with the Nordic Pantheon and with Nords being important in the Empire, especially the military. I don't doubt that Bethesda retcons all the time, same as having the same 14 voice actors or whatever. What I'm saying is that the pantheon transfer makes way more sense in-game than the jet retcon.

 

[HeyYou]

Quoting a wiki telling me "lol Nords changed their mind" isn't necessary. I was already aware of what the retcon was. A long winded explanation doesn't change my mind that it was stupid and lazy as fuck.

I'm just saying it's really weird to claim lore is important when Bethesda retcons lore all the fucking time. It's especially weird to get hung up on Jet when you're okay with lazy as fuck retcons elsewhere.

Retconning is not "these people changed over time because this game takes place hundreds of years after the last one," even if it's arguably lazy. Retconning would be claiming that the Nordic pantheon was never a thing and just propaganda or something.

 

[MassierSon]

Speaking of it, how is ESO?

It's an MMORPG, meaning quests are filler for grinding and it's all a plot to get you to buy microtransactions. But this one has an Elder Scrolls skin over it.

..."Why are you depriving yourself of content? You're missing out on a lot of stuff the game has to offer, i don't understand"...

... "dude i literally just start another file after i reach lvl 40, fuck grinding that"...

Are your friends retarded by any chance?

 

[Shidoen]

Retconning is not "these people changed over time because this game takes place hundreds of years after the last one," even if it's arguably lazy. Retconning would be claiming that the Nordic pantheon was never a thing and just propaganda or something.

I always knew ProblematicUser420 was a code word for Thalmor Cocksleeve.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

Retconning is not "these people changed over time because this game takes place hundreds of years after the last one," even if it's arguably lazy. Retconning would be claiming that the Nordic pantheon was never a thing and just propaganda or something.

Okay, but you know what is retconning? Completely changing Cyrodil from a jungle to a forest. Retroactively making it so that Alduin wasn't the Nordic version of Akatosh and instead his "first born". Did you know that making Tiber Septim into a god was also a change as he was never mentioned as such until Morrowind?

Once again, Bethesda has always been loose, stupid and lazy with the lore in Elder Scrolls games. It's really weird to hold it over ESO and claim it's "important" when one is so easily swayed to wholesale throw out parts of the world each time a new game comes along just because Bethesda is too lazy to do something a bit weird or creative again. Especially if a stickler is the fact they kept Jet in their Fallout games. Accept the games for what they are or don't, but lore/world fags who only go half cocked are the worse than lorefags who go all in.

This is weird because I don't even care that the Nords worship the Imperial Pantheon, but for some reason pointing out how much of a stupid change it was is somehow "wrong" because they come up with a lazy justification?

 

[Shidoen]

Okay, but you know what is retconning? Completely changing Cyrodil from a jungle to a forest. Retroactively making it so that Alduin wasn't the Nordic version of Akatosh and instead his "first born". Did you know that making Tiber Septim into a god was also a change as he was never mentioned as such until Morrowind?

Once again, Bethesda has always been loose, stupid and lazy with the lore in Elder Scrolls games. It's really weird to hold it over ESO and claim it's "important" when one is so easily swayed to wholesale throw out parts of the world each time a new game comes along just because Bethesda is too lazy to do something a bit weird or creative again. Especially if a stickler is the fact they kept Jet in their Fallout games. Accept the games for what they are or don't, but lore/world fags who only go half cocked are the worse than lorefags who go all in.

This is weird because I don't even care that the Nords worship the Imperial Pantheon, but for some reason pointing out how much of a stupid change it was is somehow "wrong" because they come up with a lazy justification?

Literally Tiber Septim changed the jungles of Cyrodiil into temperate forests in two books. ESO forgot to do that and there is only forests and no jungles. Unless we consider Chim, talos, and the tribunal changed the reality since their god ascension. It’s real weird to follow.

The imperial pantheon wasn’t as important as in oblivion because you’re dealing with the og dunmer gods, the tribunal, and dagoth. Having Tiber Septim, an imperial god technically, involved would feel out of place in those dunmer quest lines, altmer god ring was kinda weird but I was still mer related.

Literally couldn’t find a mention of Alduin being a Nordic akatosh, just says he’s a destroyer of worlds.
Edit: Got it fucking wrong, technically Alduin is separate but is Akatosh. Kinda like how you have a 40k Primarch and his little space marines are him but different.

You’re getting way more butthurt over this and ESO really is a hard place for lore to flourish since it’s an mmo, where constant expansions are needed.

 

[Psyduck]

Problem i have with ESO is the same with all MMORPGs, and why i ultimately cant get into them

I love roleplaying, i like to create a character from scratch, make up a personality for him, go from there up

Tried to start up ESO with my girl, i was a Nord tank, she went with an Elf rouge, game starts out with the shipwreck and yada yada, something about us being special, chosen ones or whatever

Right after we move to our first town there's already hundreds of chosen ones waddling around in super armor, dragons following them around and shit. Immediate inmersion break for me. We did a few quests together but eh... Wasnt really that special. The lady was hoping for coop Skyrim, she adores that game, it just wasnt that and she gave up, my breaking point was how... Not engaging the setting was.

 

[Shidoen]

Problem i have with ESO is the same with all MMORPGs, and why i ultimately cant get into them

I love roleplaying, i like to create a character from scratch, make up a personality for him, go from there up

Tried to start up ESO with my girl, i was a Nord tank, she went with an Elf rouge, game starts out with the shipwreck and yada yada, something about us being special, chosen ones or whatever

Right after we move to our first town there's already hundreds of chosen ones waddling around in super armor, dragons following them around and shit. Immediate inmersion break for me. We did a few quests together but eh... Wasnt really that special. The lady was hoping for coop Skyrim, she adores that game, it just wasnt that and she gave up, my breaking point was how... Not engaging the setting was.

ESO should’ve just been a bunch of adventurers instead of another chosen one story. If you’re level 1 and move to level what ever, just say the higher levels are way more experienced adventurers who still roam around instead of more chosen ones.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

Elder Scrolls lore is messy and gay and you're all autismos for arguing over the fact that it is messy and gay.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

You’re getting way more butthurt over this

I'm not the one furiously looking through wiki's going over every long winded explanation for every change to try to one up some jabroni on kiwifarms for saying Bethesda plays it lose.