The Elder Scrolls

[CryptoHermit]

Three Kalpic Cycles later and I'm still learning about this game...
Seriously though, where has this been all my life? I feel like a fucking retard. Dammit.

Apparently they included this when Tribunal was released. The game never hints you can do this in game because it was all explained in the Tribunal expansion manual!

 

[Lizard Pope]

Apparently they included this when Tribunal was released. The game never hints you can do this in game because it was all explained in the Tribunal expansion manual!

Dang. Then again, I played it first on the HexBox, so they probably didn't let it do that.
And even if they did, I'm not going to fuck around for ten minutes wrangling with the shit typing on console to remind myself that Ahnassi was dtf.

Although...

 

[DapperShark]

Is there such a thing as a performance friendly ENB?

My specs are:
GTX 1660ti
I7-9750H
16GB RAM

I figured this would be more than enough for Skyrim with an ENB and a metric fuckton of mods and while it does run smoothly, it's a ''gaming'' laptop and using Rudy ENB makes it overheat to shit even with the fans at max and sounding like a fucking fighter jet taking off, so in the interest of my computer not melting in 6 months I decided to remove it.

 

[scathefire]

I know someone will get mad, but I can't find a working download link to Daggerfallsetup.

Does using the free version of Daggerfall from Bethesda work just as well for Unity?

That's weird... the one on UESP doesn't seem to be working. It was working a while back when I was setting up DU myself.

 

[Resident Evil]

I have never played a single elder scrolls game in my life. All I know is some of Skyrim’s plot, and even then I’m certain I have it wrong. Let me know how close I am, because I’m interested.

Spoiler: What I think the plot is.

A powerful dragon called Alderin, the all devourer, a time traveling dimensional warping dragon that fucks around and tries to destroy anyone that could possibly usurp his position of power in all time streams.

You, the Dragonborn, have had multiple incarnations, of the exact same scenario, of different races, classes, and specializations, and all of them died. Your final incarnation is you, the player, and his unique race/build/class combination. You join multiple factions and on a time spanning war against the godless devourer and master of time, you slay dragons and learn from ancient dragons their powers unique by birth. These are called roars, or shouts. Some dragons in the age before their mass genocide, ancient and old, teach you their history, and it mostly consisted of mutual peace, which made Alderin’s betrayal a surprise and a success.

Aderin being the Dragon of Time who betrayed his kind after seeing his own death many times over. His anxiety and insecurity drove him mad, and he became who he is now. He was the youngest without someone to confide in his own mortality, so in that, he now lives forever, making it certain nothing will kill him as long as he’s proactive enough.

The entire game is the endless conflict between the Dragonborn and Alderin, and the duality between the two and coming to terms with mortality, and rest. The Dragonborn hasn’t been allowed to really live or die, endlessly reincarnating to solely end Alderin. Alderin, foreseeing all of time and having immense power at a young age, has never lived at all because he’s too busy going insane trying to prevent his own demise. They’re 2 sides of the same coin- the most human dragon, and the most dragonic man. One affected by ultimate pathos, and the other of ultimate ethos. Alderin who is right to feel the way he is, scared of something as certain and horrible as his death, and Dragonborn being ethically sound to end the life of a destructive being who seeks the death of others to only prevent his own.

It’s a tragic and ironic story.

Anyways, what game should I start with?

 

[DapperShark]

I have never played a single elder scrolls game in my life. All I know is some of Skyrim’s plot, and even then I’m certain I have it wrong. Let me know how close I am, because I’m interested.

Spoiler: What I think the plot is.

A powerful dragon called Alderin, the all devourer, a time traveling dimensional warping dragon that fucks around and tries to destroy anyone that could possibly usurp his position of power in all time streams.

You, the Dragonborn, have had multiple incarnations, of the exact same scenario, of different races, classes, and specializations, and all of them died. Your final incarnation is you, the player, and his unique race/build/class combination. You join multiple factions and on a time spanning war against the godless devourer and master of time, you slay dragons and learn from ancient dragons their powers unique by birth. These are called roars, or shouts. Some dragons in the age before their mass genocide, ancient and old, teach you their history, and it mostly consisted of mutual peace, which made Alderin’s betrayal a surprise and a success.

Aderin being the Dragon of Time who betrayed his kind after seeing his own death many times over. His anxiety and insecurity drove him mad, and he became who he is now. He was the youngest without someone to confide in his own mortality, so in that, he now lives forever, making it certain nothing will kill him as long as he’s proactive enough.

The entire game is the endless conflict between the Dragonborn and Alderin, and the duality between the two and coming to terms with mortality, and rest. The Dragonborn hasn’t been allowed to really live or die, endlessly reincarnating to solely end Alderin. Alderin, foreseeing all of time and having immense power at a young age, has never lived at all because he’s too busy going insane trying to prevent his own demise. They’re 2 sides of the same coin- the most human dragon, and the most dragonic man. One affected by ultimate pathos, and the other of ultimate ethos. Alderin who is right to feel the way he is, scared of something as certain and horrible as his death, and Dragonborn being ethically sound to end the life of a destructive being who seeks the death of others to only prevent his own.

It’s a tragic and ironic story.

Anyways, what game should I start with?

The main plot of Skyrim is the most generic shit ever, you got close enough but you seem to have put way more thought into it than Bethesda did.

As for what game you should start with, I think Skyrim's fine for babby's first Elder Scrolls, I'd say Morrowind if you think you can deal with how clunky and outdated a lot of the mechanics are.

 

[Resident Evil]

The main plot of Skyrim is the most generic shit ever, you got close enough but you seem to have put way more thought into it than Bethesda did.

As for what game you should start with, I think Skyrim's fine for babby's first Elder Scrolls, I'd say Morrowind if you think you can deal with how clunky and outdated a lot of the mechanics are.

I’ll probably play skyrim, just so I can get used to mechanics with something nice to look at before hopping into anything else.

And I’m a little disappointed when you said I put more thought into it. Does the relationship between the Dragonborn and Alderin actually exist or it just “Ah, vauge evil, go kill him.”

 

[DapperShark]

I’ll probably play skyrim, just so I can get used to mechanics with something nice to look at before hopping into anything else.

And I’m a little disappointed when you said I put more thought into it. Does the relationship between the Dragonborn and Alderin actually exist or it just “Ah, vauge evil, go kill him.”

Sort of, you're the dragonborn, a man with the soul with the soul of a dragon and the ability to kill dragons permanently by absorbing their souls, thus you're the super special chosen one fated to kill the big bad Alduin and that's basically as much as the game does with it.

 

[Resident Evil]

Sort of, you're the dragonborn, a man with the soul with the soul of a dragon and the ability to kill dragons permanently by absorbing their souls, thus you're the super special chosen one fated to kill the big bad Alduin and that's basically as much as the game does with it.

… Man. I‘m kinda sad now. But oh well. It’s an open world magic rpg with faction and conflict resolvement elements, so at least the gameplay will be fun.

 

[Snekposter]

Sort of, you're the dragonborn, a man with the soul with the soul of a dragon and the ability to kill dragons permanently by absorbing their souls, thus you're the super special chosen one fated to kill the big bad Alduin and that's basically as much as the game does with it.

You forgot the ability to SHOUT. Now go take an arrow to the knee and whine about how you used to be a gamer like me.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

I have never played a single elder scrolls game in my life. All I know is some of Skyrim’s plot, and even then I’m certain I have it wrong. Let me know how close I am, because I’m interested.

Spoiler: What I think the plot is.

A powerful dragon called Alderin, the all devourer, a time traveling dimensional warping dragon that fucks around and tries to destroy anyone that could possibly usurp his position of power in all time streams.

You, the Dragonborn, have had multiple incarnations, of the exact same scenario, of different races, classes, and specializations, and all of them died. Your final incarnation is you, the player, and his unique race/build/class combination. You join multiple factions and on a time spanning war against the godless devourer and master of time, you slay dragons and learn from ancient dragons their powers unique by birth. These are called roars, or shouts. Some dragons in the age before their mass genocide, ancient and old, teach you their history, and it mostly consisted of mutual peace, which made Alderin’s betrayal a surprise and a success.

Aderin being the Dragon of Time who betrayed his kind after seeing his own death many times over. His anxiety and insecurity drove him mad, and he became who he is now. He was the youngest without someone to confide in his own mortality, so in that, he now lives forever, making it certain nothing will kill him as long as he’s proactive enough.

The entire game is the endless conflict between the Dragonborn and Alderin, and the duality between the two and coming to terms with mortality, and rest. The Dragonborn hasn’t been allowed to really live or die, endlessly reincarnating to solely end Alderin. Alderin, foreseeing all of time and having immense power at a young age, has never lived at all because he’s too busy going insane trying to prevent his own demise. They’re 2 sides of the same coin- the most human dragon, and the most dragonic man. One affected by ultimate pathos, and the other of ultimate ethos. Alderin who is right to feel the way he is, scared of something as certain and horrible as his death, and Dragonborn being ethically sound to end the life of a destructive being who seeks the death of others to only prevent his own.

It’s a tragic and ironic story.

Anyways, what game should I start with?

You're way off.

It's far more "Mythical world ending dragon appears. You start talking like dragon. You now go kill dragon." than the epic you laid out.

I mean there's some lore in the background and stuff, but the story doesn't get into it that much. And presented in Skyrim is nothing like what you laid out. There's no sad story to Alduin besides "He likes power" and there's no real story to being Dragonborn besides "it's a thing that's been in Elder Scrolls, but is now completely different and just a reason for gameplay gimmick."

 

[Resident Evil]

You're way off.

It's far more "Mythical world ending dragon appears. You start talking like dragon. You now go kill dragon." than the epic you laid out.

I mean there's some lore in the background and stuff, but the story doesn't get into it that much. And presented in Skyrim is nothing like what you laid out. There's no sad story to Alduin besides "He likes power" and there's no real story to being Dragonborn besides "it's a thing that's been in Elder Scrolls, but is now completely different and just a reason for gameplay gimmick."

Man. Will items or books have descriptions so I can learn the lore if I’m interested?

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

Man. Will items or books have descriptions so I can learn the lore if I’m interested?

Oh yes. It's not that there isn't any lore around Elder Scrolls. There's actually a TON of lore and background in Elder Scrolls.

But it's mostly on you to find it through in game books and such. Skyrim itself is so streamlined that the main story only gets into what it absolutely has to. The most Skyrim story really does, IMO, is explain why the dragons act the way they do through an exposition dump around the halfway point.

 

[Super Hans]

Oh yes. It's not that there isn't any lore around Elder Scrolls. There's actually a TON of lore and background in Elder Scrolls.

But it's mostly on you to find it through in game books and such. Skyrim itself is so streamlined that the main story only gets into what it absolutely has to. The most Skyrim story really does, IMO, is explain why the dragons act the way they do through an exposition dump around the halfway point.

That's what I find most disappointing about how Elder Scrolls has been going. Morrowind was really philosophical, and on the nose with it too, with the game asking whether you really are the Nereverine or just a random dude who just happens to fill the requirements. For Oblivion, the whole main plot flips on its head if you realize Mehrunes Dagon isn't just the Daedric Prince of destruction, but also revolution. For Skyrim, you're the Dragonborn because you can absorb dragon souls, and you can do that because you're the Dragonborn. There's nothing to discuss because there's no questions to ask.

 

[c-no]

That's what I find most disappointing about how Elder Scrolls has been going. Morrowind was really philosophical, and on the nose with it too, with the game asking whether you really are the Nereverine or just a random dude who just happens to fill the requirements. For Oblivion, the whole main plot flips on its head if you realize Mehrunes Dagon isn't just the Daedric Prince of destruction, but also revolution. For Skyrim, you're the Dragonborn because you can absorb dragon souls, and you can do that because you're the Dragonborn. There's nothing to discuss because there's no questions to ask.

Go a bit further back to Daggerfall and that game beyond being a longhaul dungeon crawler, you were just a complete random dude that just gets wrapped into all the political schemes from powers that be despite your main goal of just finding out what made a previous king want revenge from the grave. And even in the end of that when you find some magical item everyone wants, you aren't even worthy of using it and an ending Bethesda wasn't able to put in the game had you die if you thought of harnessing that power. Skyrim could of done more to being dragonborn than just because you are.

 

[DMX DA GOAT]

Imagine if the last Dragonborn had been a descendant from Martin's days of being a Sanguine follower and having orgies.

Something beyond just "lol you were blessed for some reason"

 

[Neo-Holstien]

Imagine if the last Dragonborn had been a descendant from Martin's days of being a Sanguine follower and having orgies.

Something beyond just "lol you were blessed for some reason"

different types, also plenty of nobles still had Septim blood in their veins when Martin died,

 

[X Pac Heat]

I don't know. I never had a problem with the Dragonborn just being a Dragonborn because the world needed a Dragonborn. That's hardly the problem with the narrative of Skyrim.

I mean, were people upset that the Nerarvarine was the Nerarvarine because there was a prophecy and they fit the criteria?

 

[armoreddinnerjacket]

Trouble is that any explanation that allows for ALL the races is going to be vague and unsatisfying. If you want a better set up you'd have to limit the starting races.

 

[asr]

Trouble is that any explanation that allows for ALL the races is going to be vague and unsatisfying. If you want a better set up you'd have to limit the starting races.

I disagree with that mostly, but that being said I'm an utter lore whore who probably has spent more time reading lore than playing the games trying to piece together something from Kirkbride's DMT addled writings. A Dragonborn technically only needs to meet 2 criteria, that being having a dragon soul and dragon blood, the soul is given from Akatosh, or if some of the more esoteric lore is to be believed, the oversoul for akatosh/auriel otherwise known as AKA (if it's even cognizant of anything), that's it. Presumably akatosh has a preference for the mannish races given that the Alessian Order allegedly did some fuckery to metaphysically create akatosh as a separate divinity from the oversoul AKA, and prefer men.

This is where the setting of Skyrim is interesting in that the traditional belief structure of the Nords has the time deity, which is also a dragon (Alduin) explicitly as a end of times deity meant to be placated and almost never defeated. In theory, Auriel could make a Dragonborn, so that doesn't rule out any altmer, hell the dunmer is possible if it's a descendant of the basatrd offspring Tiber Septim and that one dunmer princess. Bosmer, orcs, and the argonians to me are the most improbable personally. I could see a stretch even for the cats and the redguards but we don't have enough understanding on how a Dragonborn is chosen, or even what time deity truly does it, given that we know for a fact they all share the same oversoul.

EDIT: After thinking more I think you're right, it is vague, but I think it is satisfying in that it's left unknown and there's much to interpret and there's enough there to make many plausibly theories, so that makes the inner puzzle solver in me satisfied, but I can see how that's not for everyone.