The Elder Scrolls

[Super Hans v2]

It's fun to speculate on in-universe explanations for why the Nords don't use their own pantheon anymore but we all know it's just rationalisations for Emil's retarded "keep it simple, stoopid" writing philosophy, right?

Emil doesn't like ES, which is why he's content just shittily writing the Arena and DB factions. Because of how famously cagey BGS is with proper crediting, the hate has to default to Nesmith.

 

[BigBadBastich]

It's fun to speculate on in-universe explanations for why the Nords don't use their own pantheon anymore but we all know it's just rationalisations for Emil's retarded "keep it simple, stoopid" writing philosophy, right?

Both Skyrim (the country and people) didn't live up to its depiction in its debut game compared to how its described in the in universe lore books. It might have been intentional to just depict them as insular, backwards, gelded celtic/viking adjacents. They don't use magic much anymore and nobody really uses the Thuum either. I mean a bunch of Nords even live in destitution compared to how the PGE describes:

Nords are masters of wood and timber construction; many structures survive in use today that were built by the first settlers over 3,000 years ago. A fine example of Nord military engineering can be seen at Old Fort, one of the royal bastions constructed by the First Empire to guard its southern frontier. Towering walls of huge, irregular porphyry blocks fit together without seam or mortar, as if constructed by mythical Elhnofey rather than men.

 

[Tablet County]

theyre part of a sort of ring of mods no?

For some reason I remember Home of the Nords being an independent project separate from TR and PT. Maybe that was the case at one point and they decided to merge together for the sake of convenience or I just don't know what I'm talking about.

 

[MeltyTW]

For some reason I remember Home of the Nords being an independent project separate from TR and PT. Maybe that was the case at one point and they decided to merge together for the sake of convenience or I just don't know what I'm talking about.

from a glance it seems like different people just realized they had similar ideas of expanding the game morrowind using pre-oblivion post-daggerfall lore with some ideas from both those sources still so i guess they just list them on sites together because why not, keeps it from one team trying to make the whole continent.

 

[Coldsteel the Hedgehog]

It's fun to speculate on in-universe explanations for why the Nords don't use their own pantheon anymore but we all know it's just rationalisations for Emil's retarded "keep it simple, stoopid" writing philosophy, right?

100%

Sometimes it can be fun, though. I've always had a soft spot for trying to tie together retcons and bad writing. It's kind of like putting a puzzle together. Ngl I think a lot of people who like the newer Bethesda games are like that lmao

 

[LovisXVI]

100%

Sometimes it can be fun, though. I've always had a soft spot for trying to tie together retcons and bad writing. It's kind of like putting a puzzle together. Ngl I think a lot of people who like the newer Bethesda games are like that lmao

It is where the best lore often comes out of, like the work of Abel Peña for Star Wars, a true master of kludging together random sources and inconsistencies to make a really neat retcon that improves all elements.

 

[CyrusHowler]

They will never shut up friend. You’ll be hearing the words “slop”, “soulless” and “shill” in your dreams forever.

Why would they need to pretend?

Because Oblivion, Fallout 3, New Vegas, Skyrim and Fallout 4 are awesome.
Starfield….Not so much.

Hey don't mock Starfield players

Yeah just pretend Bethesda didn’t release any games between Morrowind and Starfield.

Morrowind was also panned by contrarians on release and denounced as the start of "consolification" of TES. Yes, even despite the fucking Windows-like UI you'd never want to navigate without a mouse and the microscopic text. There is no winning with them.

I also don't get what copium are Skyblivion retards huffing. Tamriel rebuilt will never be finished. Morroblivion never got finished. Skyblivion also will never be finished. These are just portfolios for faggots trying to land a job in the vidya industry.

I disagree with the first half of this statement as it is Doomer defeatism. White pills for days friendo.
The second part is potentially true and definitively true when it comes to Bethesda. They’ve hired numerous modders.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Seeing all the zoomers looking at the Remaster of the Elder Scrolls IV like its the second coming Christ is so weird too me.

I mean yeah, it was a pretty good game. When I was a kid. Have RPG's really gotten so shit that we had to go back 20 years to find something good? Depressing if we are being honest. I suppose it really is a Second coming if we want to be rhetorical.

 

[Tablet County]

Seeing all the zoomers looking at the Remaster of the Elder Scrolls IV like its the second coming Christ is so weird too me.

I mean yeah, it was a pretty good game. When I was a kid. Have RPG's really gotten so shit that we had to go back 20 years to find something good? Depressing if we are being honest. I suppose it really is a Second coming if we want to be rhetorical.

Revenge of the Sith was recently re-screened in theaters to thunderous applause and financial success. In a less retarded world the message taken away from this is "people liked the old stuff and the new stuff is shit". Maybe they'll get that message in the long term, but the short term lesson will be "re-release all your old stuff because people liked it better".

 

[#1 Hot Sauce of Kiwi Farm]

Revenge of the Sith was recently re-screened in theaters to thunderous applause and financial success. In a less retarded world the message taken away from this is "people liked the old stuff and the new stuff is shit". Maybe they'll get that message in the long term, but the short term lesson will be "re-release all your old stuff because people liked it better".

To be fair it is far more profitable to rerelease something you've already made. Sure we would like companies to have more integrity, but if the customer is going to pay for something you already have why make something new. I will always blame the consumer over the producer as they are dumb enough to pay for the same stuff over and over.

 

[Coldsteel the Hedgehog]

I will always blame the consumer over the producer as they are dumb enough to pay for the same stuff over and over.

Sometimes it depends on the product, and it sucks that there's no good way to differentiate between them by sales numbers or intent when buying. The Obsidian remaster is pretty useless in the grand scheme of things, but there are other Bethesda titles I'd appreciate (or have appreciated) remasters/remakes of for various technical reasons like Skyrim SE's engine update or theoretical remakes of FO3/NV that make them playable on modern machines without bullshit compatibility patches. But how the fuck do you meaningfully tell the difference between someone who buys SE because it's more stable and has larger memory capacity for modding from someone who buys it because they just buy whatever BGS puts in from of them, y'know?

 

[mindlessobserver]

Revenge of the Sith was recently re-screened in theaters to thunderous applause and financial success. In a less retarded world the message taken away from this is "people liked the old stuff and the new stuff is shit". Maybe they'll get that message in the long term, but the short term lesson will be "re-release all your old stuff because people liked it better".

Its cargo cult culture though. The people reproducing these things don't understand WHY they were successful or HOW they worked to be successful. They only understand that they ARE. There will be hard diminishing returns for this. Hell, people are still salty about how the Oblivion remaster lopped the tits off the first Empress' statue in the Imperial City.

That however is just superficial. Along with replacing Male/Female with Body Type 1/Body Type 2. The real issue is people with creative impulses are being churned through the required credentialing institutions as destroyers and not creators. They do not KNOW how to create. They only KNOW how to follow programming. And when the program is a virus intended to destroy, that is the only thing they can do.

I've taken it upon myself the unenviable duty of reading the latest and greatest zoomer "Fantasy" novels. Stuff like "Salvos", "Ship Core", "The SS Ranked Hero is a Villainous", "Sybil" and so on. I find this stuff fascinating in the same way I watch videos of car crashes and police bodycams. There is a spark of creativity under all of it. But it is absolutely smothered by the incessant need to deconstruct, force in unneeded lesbian or homosexual plot lines, or just veer full on into a kindergartners understanding of morality. Where the hero just does heinous shit, but its not heinous because the author said so.

A Cargo cult. They pantomime the themes of great stories, with all the finesse of an illiterate Polynesian building a radar station out of palm leaves. They don't understand how any of it actually works, what any of the concepts, plot lines and story beats mean, or why they are profound.

And so when a 20 year old RPG is dropped on them in the dead of the night, its like the sky gods have given them the sacred SPAM, which had been jealously guarded by Chief for many years.

 

[StacticShock]

Its cargo cult culture though. The people reproducing these things don't understand WHY they were successful or HOW they worked to be successful. They only understand that they ARE.

this reminded me of this image.

jannies, please don't delete because it is somewhat related to the part i am quoting.

But how the fuck do you meaningfully tell the difference between someone who buys SE because it's more stable and has larger memory capacity for modding from someone who buys it because they just buy whatever BGS puts in from of them, y'know?

you sort of don't without knowing the people related to it, did they hear that skyrim is a moddable game? did they get a random youtube video? saw it from a content creator? many variables but at the end of the day a purchase is made.

 

[MeltyTW]

Seeing all the zoomers looking at the Remaster of the Elder Scrolls IV like its the second coming Christ is so weird too me.

I mean yeah, it was a pretty good game. When I was a kid. Have RPG's really gotten so shit that we had to go back 20 years to find something good? Depressing if we are being honest. I suppose it really is a Second coming if we want to be rhetorical.

Bethesda always had a particular niche though. And even other successful open world games focus on gta style or the old west or space. But also I think even if they didn't yes games have declined to the point that people are clamoring for anything even ancient games in a modern coat of paint.

 

[Coldsteel the Hedgehog]

you sort of don't without knowing the people related to it, did they hear that skyrim is a moddable game? did they get a random youtube video? saw it from a content creator? many variables but at the end of the day a purchase is made.

100%, it's very unfortunate -- if only because I wish studios could see it for themselves. That feels like the type of metric that might help guide studios into being less shit.

Bethesda always had a particular niche though. And even other successful open world games focus on gta style or the old west or space. But also I think even if they didn't yes games have declined to the point that people are clamoring for anything even ancient games in a modern coat of paint.

It's unfortunate but true, Bethesda has a very strong niche that goes sorely underappreciated by people analyzing these sorts of things. I wouldn't be surprised if a large part of the O:R sales came from people who enjoy Bethesda-style open worlds so much they'll buy literally anything that might let them play another one. It's basically the only reason Starfield moved copies. Even on the subreddits the pre-launch posts were just waves of people who were specifically excited about the idea of "another Bethesda game" rather than anything to do with the title itself.

If another studio that had the funding to make a BGS-style game they'd sell fucking gangbusters.

 

[Spooky Dogwood]

this reminded me of this image.
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Too bad the take away most faggots seem to get from this experiment is that we should throw any notion of tradition or perennial wisdom in the trash.

 

[Incorrigible Bigotry]

MOBIUS AE DAEDROTH
Is TES Online worth trying out if I just want to romp around the open world exploring shit? Does it do any amount of justice to the crazier lore? I like the Khajiit and it pisses me off that an MMO is the only game in the series that depicts the different furstocks.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Article about UESP:
Ars Technica: “Older than Google,” this Elder Scrolls wiki has been helping gamers for 30 years (archive)

 

[Tablet County]

Its cargo cult culture though. The people reproducing these things don't understand WHY they were successful or HOW they worked to be successful. They only understand that they ARE.

Isn't this literally what I just said?

 

[AnticitizenOne]