Trainwreck The Empathic Nutritionist / Empathic Mamahood / Robyn Grogitsky-Ramirez / Luna Elva Ramirez / Glenn Ramirez / Atlas Glenn Standford Ramirez - Eyefucking Sociopath Selfie Addict Mother and Closeted Gymrat Pothead Father who use Instagram to Parade their Homemade Homunculus Tard Baby Created by their Refusal to Follow any Medical Oversights

Will Robyn actually go back to see the neurosurgeon in California?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 12.2%

  • No

    Votes: 107 50.2%

  • Luna will die before the planned trip date

    Votes: 80 37.6%
  • Total voters
    213
  • Poll closed .
Randomrando said:
Honestly there's probably an old ass cat in their local shelter that would love to sit on Lunas lap(or beside her curled up in a ball) all day purring away.... don't cats purrs hit a woowoo healing frequency?
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Oh hell no. Cats don't deserve to be subjected to Robyn any more than dogs do. I'm not going to sperg at you, but the attitude that cats are just a downgrade from dogs is really lame. Just because they don't have to be walked doesn't mean they're "easier" or need less interaction or care.

It was pretty obvious from the beginning that Loki was from a backyard breeder completely lacking in scruples. The poor dog is also probably out of his mind with boredom, and we've seen evidence of it in his destructive behavior. If it were anyone but Globyn, I'd be willing to cut them a little slack and say going from an elderly dog to a puppy of the same breed is probably a bit of a learning curve, even for owners with specific experience. It's easy to get used to a pet's decreasing mobility and energy if it happens slowly over time, and it's often only when a younger, healthier animal of the same species arrives that the contrast becomes stark. Good owners adjust their expectations quickly and figure out how to meet the needs of a young, energetic animal. Since we are talking about Globyn here, though, they'll just let the poor dog go slowly insane while he destroys their house. If they do rehome him, which I think is unlikely because of the two massive egos involved, they'll wait until he's no longer a cute sweet puppy and his neurotic personality is pretty well set before they try to find a more suitable family for him, all without the input of any people with actual relevant knowledge.

@Ginger_beer, there's a poorly bred, malformed GSD in this thread if you'd like to weigh in. There's also a poorly bred, malformed toddler.

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Could this guy be any less likeable if he tried? It's like watching a performance art piece but with a complete lack of self-awareness.
 
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Thomas Eugene Paris said:
Oh hell no.
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I quite literally work with animals for a living. Cats(feral and non), dogs, small animals, farm animals, once even took care of a "house swan."

Cats do require less care than dogs and they're generally far more independent and self sufficient. Yes there's needy cats but 9 times out of 10 a cat wants a nice place to sleep and a bowl of food to nibble on. Should you have treats and toys? Of course!! You should always strive to give your critter enrichment and appropriate activities to keep them entertained.

An old ass shelter cat would be pleased as punch to nap on Lunas lap all day. You can think it's "lame" but cats are a million times easier to care for than dogs, they require far less training to be a pleasant pet and won't lose their shit if you don't play with them for two days in a row.

Don't get me wrong, I'm also a cat lover (my orange girl is the apple of my eye who I make sure wants for nothing) but trying to say cats require the same level of care as dogs makes me think you've never owned a dog. (I'll stop animal sperging now)
 
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The dog actually doesn't look that bad to me @Thomas Eugene Paris -- for North American pet line breeding*. I am lamentably pressed for time right now so I haven't read back in the thread for more than a couple of pages and have only seen a couple of dog posts but it's the usual long coat nonsense** red and black. (**The coat is popular with no-line "pet" breeders because people fancy long haired dogs even though it's prohibited under the standard. I'm a working dog knob and don't give a crap if the coat is not to standard as long as the rest is good and the animal is healthy, but deliberate breeding for long coats is often at the cost of other traits, and objectively bad news.)

I'd have to see the dog standing level from the side, and in a range of motion to really judge conformation but I assume it's the usual weak in the pasterns roached back, etc. If anything this dog looks like it has some West German showline ancestry -- strong red and black pigment, decent head instead of the usual North American snipe face, but the silver ticking is common in American show and pet quality animals. Seems like a fairly normal GSD temperamentally, too, but again I'd have to see more of the animal to judge.

If you're concerned by the dog walking down in the hocks, again it's the breeding and the dog will firm up in the legs and may be perfectly sound as it matures. Working lines don't flop about in the hocks like that as pups because no one is looking for the exaggerated show ring floating side trot and they're consequently not bred for extremely loose ligaments. Hip dysplasia wouldn't show at this age. I'd also be concerned about allergies and gastric issues, but that's not something that shows in a couple of cute posts. Of course the biggest issue is environment and training, and you all don't want to hear my exegesis on the topic. The dog doesn't seem to have any egregious nerve faults at this age, but I'd have to see examples of it outside with strangers/in novel environments etc. to judge whether the temperament is sound, and again this is still a pup and there's a lot of potential change as the animal matures.

*Any fans of North American showline breeding don't need to @ me. I know full well that there are some decent dogs being produced that can work in various capacities as well as show. If anyone is wondering the breed is lamentably more split than just working line and showline. If you're digging around for information resources online be a little cautious because I really had to dig to find the link I just gave. It seems like there are a host of garbage English language articles up now which are categorically full of nonsense. (Seriously, no *way* would any Eastern European working line breeder recognise this dog as something of theirs. They'd have neutered (or outright shot) the ancestors five generations back, for all "no good dog is a bad colour" (per the breed founder) -- that's seriously outside the standard and wouldn't fly with anyone because the temperment is quicker to be lost than decent pigment. The West German dog shown really is a showline, albeit not good quality.) I'll dig more into this when I have leisure.
 
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Good for Atlas. Glenn, you might notice that your nephew is in shorts and a t-shirt even inside. Atlas is probably hot in those pajamas. Now I know you're a penis haver, and a spic one at that, so things like noticing your son's cloths and changing them when appropriate is something you think is beneath you, but your wife is busy with the potato that she took 3 days to squeeze out while you whispered in her ear not to go to the hospital so just grow up and do it.
 
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I've skimmed through the thread and gleaned the substance around the GSD pup (and was horrified by the child, poor thing). I stand by my initial assessment that the dog isn't that bad for a North American dog bred for the pet market. I've sadly seen way, way worse. Yes, his conformation isn't the best, but he's a healthy weight. He seems to be thoroughly behaviourally normal and sound too*, which is actually sad in this situation because it's a waste of a nice enough dog that would be far better off somewhere else.

*Given he's still a pup. Wait until he matures, then the trouble will likely start. Everything that they've complained about to seem sympathetic online is all things that could be prevented by better husbandry and management. (You redirect chewing onto appropriate chew toys, you manage the environment so that your young dog can't get into mischief like eating drywall in your absence, you provide adequate mental and physical exercise via walking, free running, active play, and training, etc.) Unhealthy extreme conformation aside he's arguably somewhat better bred than April Lauren's two, certainly the female (Chipper), which is just sad, but there it is.

I'm a little lost on the timeline, however. How old is the pup? Eight months? Their window for socialisation and training keeps getting tighter and tighter, and I sadly foresee the high possibility of a destroyed dangerous dog in half a year because he's not going to know what to do with himself and no, they shouldn't "just know". Sound genetics only stretch so far, and these aren't that great to begin with. (For context, here's a working line dog (not mine, not familiar with the kennel or the dog) being assessed for potential breeding worthiness at full maturity. She's likely just twelve months at this point, and the discussion of how she performed on the various test components is partially explained at the end in English though you can likely guess a bit at what you're seeing from context alone. My apologies, but I couldn't find anything similar all in English. You can see how differently a still young and overexubrant and half-trained GSD behaves with sound breeding, proper handling and a good foundation. This is a nice young bitch, worth being propagated when the time comes.)
 
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Isn't the little man closer to 3 than 2? Time to start teaching him how to change his clothes, easy stuff, no buttons or anything, but he can learn to pull on shorts
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Atlas will be 3 on February 7. Luna will be 5 on January 20. Take a moment and let that sink in. She should be in preschool this year. We should have just seen photos of her with her shiny new backpack and school shoes, smiling at her little desk with her new crayons. She should be making friends and learning how to share. She should have a favorite book from the library and a favorite "station" for playing in class. Atlas should be enjoying having his mommy to himself for a few hours during the week and looking forward to when it's his turn to go to big school next year. Instead, here we all are. I'm losing faith that Luna will be released from her fleshprison any time soon. They're so insular that she's at a lower risk of respiratory infection than most profoundly disabled young children.

On a related note, when do those of us concerned about Atlas's language and social development get to claim vindication?
 
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