The Entire Pacific Northwest is On Fire - Burn Baby Burn

I say we wait until we get actual confirmation that this is Antifa's doing anything stupid.
This wont happen. The FBI has been eroding any legitimacy it has had over the course of the summer by either claiming Antifa isn't a threat, doesn't exist or didn't do damage during the riots, and that it was actually roaming bands of white nationalist who are causing the damage from the riots. Expecting a Federal agency to admit that Antifa is doing shit at this point is a fools errand, its quite clear that the beat cops are fully aware of the tactics Antifa use and how to identify them but are running into obstacles like Soros sponsored DAs who drop all cases like in Portland or obstructionist civic governments like NYC with De Blasio telling individual NYPD Police captains to stand down and let the mob loot in late May, early June. IF Antifa is playing a part in the arson campaign it will be revealed by local people on Twitter talking about and producing video and photographic evidence it just like we get for the riots.
 
Every local cop and fire service page is saying it's not political arson. They're actually begging people to stop making shit up about antifa/alt right arsonists.
I'm going to repeat: beat cops, sheriff's offices and police departments are saying it's not antifa and telling people to stop being retarded about it. They've arrested two people this whole time- one was lighting a campfire despite the burn ban, I think the other was arson but he's a schizo. Nothing political about it and it does happen every year here.

We lost hundreds of acres to a teenage kid throwing a single firecracker a few years ago.

Antifa up here started in the tree-hugging and tree-spiking communities. They wouldn't burn forests.

The alt right here are rural, small town kids, farmers and loggers. They wouldn't burn forests.

If people are doing this, it's likely random fucking idiots.

And nothing of value was lost

it's mostly hundreds of acres of good hunting regions and deep forest, and rural farms that's burning. there's a few small towns affected. no cities.

The reason it's related to climate change is that the coast, in the rain shadow, is burning. The rest of this place is dry normally and fire is part of the forest. Some of the places burning recently are not the same, they're actual rain forests that don't burn. Shouldn't burn. It's not normal.

Why the climate is changing, go ahead and debate or doubt, but it is changing.
 
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Every local cop and fire service page is saying it's not political arson. They're actually begging people to stop making shit up about antifa/alt right arsonists.
I'm going to repeat: beat cops, sheriff's offices and police departments are saying it's not antifa and telling people to stop being retarded about it. They've arrested two people this whole time- one was lighting a campfire despite the burn ban, I think the other was arson but he's a schizo. Nothing political about it and it does happen every year here.

We lost hundreds of acres to a teenage kid throwing a single firecracker a few years ago.

Antifa up here started in the tree-hugging and tree-spiking communities. They wouldn't burn forests.

The alt right here are rural, small town kids, farmers and loggers. They wouldn't burn forests.

If people are doing this, it's likely random fucking idiots.



it's mostly hundreds of acres of good hunting regions and deep forest, and rural farms that's burning. there's a few small towns affected. no cities.

The reason it's related to climate change is that the coast, in the rain shadow, is burning. The rest of this place is dry normally and fire is part of the forest. Some of the places burning recently are not the same, they're actual rain forests that don't burn. Shouldn't burn. It's not normal.

Why the climate is changing, go ahead and debate or doubt, but it is changing.

nonono i want a easy digestible answer with some one i can blame that is not aligning with my political ideas. I need a scape goat dammit.

Yeah the climate is changing and this the new norm. More extreme weather and is there not massive overuse of aquifers in a lot of those places or am i mistaken?
 
Do tweakers, hobos, and other scum usually negligently burn all three West Coast states at the same time, conveniently timed around a Presidential election?

It's still fairly early in the morning here, but I'm still not sure how setting 3 surefire Biden states on fire in any way would be beneficial to the Dems. One of Trump's key bullet points is that left-wing states are being run into the ground by corruption and incompetence; I'm not really sure that proving that point will actually help them in the more purple states like AZ and NV.
 
nonono i want a easy digestible answer with some one i can blame that is not aligning with my political ideas. I need a scape goat dammit.

Yeah the climate is changing and this the new norm. More extreme weather and is there not massive overuse of aquifers in a lot of those places or am i mistaken?
In the Eastern half of these states yes. It's high desert in some areas, others are Doug fir pine tree, big old forests that like fire and have to be burned every few years to keep an uncontrolled fire from taking too much at once. The water reserves there are definitely overused and sometimes there's drought.

The issue is that for the last couple years the western half is burning.

There's a ridge of the Cascades range that keeps the coastal areas rain-soaked 9 or 10 months a year. Those areas aren't usually in any fire danger, they're literally rain forests. The rain shadow divides the climate of the region into that grey, misty and damp fern-and-moss old growth you see in photos online, and the rest of the place.

The rest of the place always burns. The rain shadow doesn't usually. It's really not normal at all, which is part of the reason people are looking for humans to blame for it. But really, there's always idiots and arsonists, it just doesn't turn into a huge forest fire like this in that rain shadow region, it's just too damp for it to spread.

Climate change, changes in trade winds, combined have dried out the coast and now it's burning. It's fucked up. You'd have to be there to understand; you can't collect old downed wood to light on fire there. Everything is always soaked. Mushrooms come up in hours. It's been getting drier every year and within the past 5 or 6 years it's reached a tipping point so now, when idiots fuck around, it actually burns.

Nothing political about it, just a shit situation.

Do tweakers, hobos, and other scum usually negligently burn all three West Coast states at the same time, conveniently timed around a Presidential election?

California has giant fires every fucking year. Oregon, Washington, only in the dry eastern half of the states. So yes. (the Eastern half of the Pacific NW region is red, the rain shadow is blue.)

It's not "every election year", it's "every single year".
 
Giant fires weren't a thing when I was growing up because the forest service actually did forest maintenance. When out-of state liberals from the Midwest and East Coast began moving in and demanding an end to controlled burns because an owl or snake would be affected is when huge fires became a regular occurrence.

Southern California is basically a desert whose water supply is from diverted rivers and out of state sources. NorCal less so but it still depends on Sierra run off for water (ie the Hetch Hetchy reservoir). Most people don't know or ignore the fact coastal, urban California is an artificially created landscape which requires constant maintenance of resources to prevent catastrophes like landslides.

Oregon and Washington are different but again their forest management has been largely abandoned because of the pressure to shut down logging in the 80s and 90s. This is the result.

All we need now is a massive Loma Prieta 2.0 or Mount St Helens to erupt again to hammer the point that the entire West Coast requires responsible management for human habitation, not feels good woke climate Spotted Owl bullshit,
 
It's almost as if they're being punished for something and not getting the message.
for being retarded , last year i think cali had a fire after it was declared MUH GLOBAL WARMING it turned out california hasn't paid enough the forestry deparment to do control burns and clear dead wood to comply with their retarded GREEN laws , similar happnened with australia shitty laws made it so hard to clear dry brush and do controled burns that turned into fires from hell . FUCKING LIBTARDS CANT DO ANYTHING RIGHT.

I can guarantee you in next few weeks it will come up they either made clearing dead wood or controled burns fucking imposible or they have cut pretty hard from the forestry deparment .
 
It's still fairly early in the morning here, but I'm still not sure how setting 3 surefire Biden states on fire in any way would be beneficial to the Dems. One of Trump's key bullet points is that left-wing states are being run into the ground by corruption and incompetence; I'm not really sure that proving that point will actually help them in the more purple states like AZ and NV.
The types actively protesting / rioting are more Bernie strain Leftist than Biden Democrat. This is why the DNC and media are starting to turn against them. The polling is showing a negative reaction to them, and these people most likely won’t vote for Biden anyway.
 
It's still fairly early in the morning here, but I'm still not sure how setting 3 surefire Biden states on fire in any way would be beneficial to the Dems. One of Trump's key bullet points is that left-wing states are being run into the ground by corruption and incompetence; I'm not really sure that proving that point will actually help them in the more purple states like AZ and NV.
The types actively protesting / rioting are more Bernie strain Leftist than Biden Democrat. This is why the DNC and media are starting to turn against them. The polling is showing a negative reaction to them, and these people most likely won’t vote for Biden anyway.

The radical left thinks this is their revolutionary moment. They do not care about Biden winning at all. To them, if some of these fires are caused by Antifa, this would stretch resources and cause chaos, allowing them to take over.
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I say we wait until we get actual confirmation that this is Antifa's doing anything stupid.

This very well might be their doing, but I think there's an even higher chance of this just being scumbags taking advantage of the situation for their own personal gain, and amusement, and not for any political sort.

You'll never get confirmation, even if the people doing it raise flags saying WE ANTIFA DID THIS.
That's not the world we live in. That's not the narrative to be pushed. It's not the rules being played by. Those optics are only useful when it's foreign ideology being used.

The narrative is Climate Change, Orange Man Bad, Die Whitey Die, Progressive Socialism Good. This isn't hyperbole. This is the world now. The FBI has the stench of people like Peter Strzok all over it. They don't care if you know they're lying, who are you?

Of course it'd be a mix of regular firebug weirdos, environmental incidents and political terrorism, but the cunts with power have decided that the ONLY thing to blame is the pre approved Climate narrative. It, like Coronavirus is the perfect cover, all they have to do is blame the climate deniers, like they blamed the science deniers with Covid. They've decided they're the authority, anything else be damned.
These sacks of shit can't even bear to mention the arson occurring, regardless of origin, let alone any reality of it being politically motivated from their side.

If this were the Middle East during peak Jihaddery, you wouldn't bat an eyelid believing it.
 
The types actively protesting / rioting are more Bernie strain Leftist than Biden Democrat. This is why the DNC and media are starting to turn against them. The polling is showing a negative reaction to them, and these people most likely won’t vote for Biden anyway.

I mean, I'm not entirely ruling the potential of potential extremists being idiots, and I wouldn't be shocked at all if some of them were done by Antifa or some similar group. But thus far, I'm not really seeing a lot of evidence that they were involved in setting any significant number of the fires. The primary counterpoint is that politicians and the media wouldn't tell anyone if there was. It's basically "we don't have proof, but they would hide the proof anyway, so of course we don't have proof". Which is...somewhat less than convincing to me.
 
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It's still fairly early in the morning here, but I'm still not sure how setting 3 surefire Biden states on fire in any way would be beneficial to the Dems. One of Trump's key bullet points is that left-wing states are being run into the ground by corruption and incompetence; I'm not really sure that proving that point will actually help them in the more purple states like AZ and NV.
They can blame it on big bad BLOMPF. The riots in Democrat cities is his fault after all, so this is the same play.
 
I will admit I am very upset with how politicians are handling this. The thing that pissed me off the most was a video of Comrade Newsom gleefully talking about how the fires are proof of climate change with a big grin on his face.

We haven't seen the sun that isn't blood red in days. We have to wear masks just to check the mail and the end of the street isn't even visible anymore. We have to hide in our homes to avoid the smoke and ash while being ready to go at any moment and this fucking faggot is beaming like an idiot because he's smugly righteous now that in his head he has won.

How about put out some goddamn fires before taking a victory lap? We are suffering and scared. Presumably whoever the fuck voted for Newsom assumed he would help Californians but he has failed this state at every turn and now we are paying the price for it.
 
Oh boy, I can see the spin already. Goose stepping white baldy starting fires. On fucking 9/11, just to try to this day no longer about the tragedy. They're mocking you now, Ameribros.
https://nbc16.com/news/local/suspect-arrested-in-connection-to-sweet-creek-fire-in-mapleton | archive

Suspect arrested in connection to Sweet Creek Fire in Mapleton
by News Staff
Tuesday, September 1st 2020

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44-year-old Elias Newton Pendergrass of Mapleton was arrested for first-degree arson in connection with the Sweet Creek Fires. (Lane County Sheriff's Office booking photo)

LANE COUNTY, Ore. — A suspect related to the Sweet Creek Fire in west Lane County has been arrested, according to the Lane County Sheriff's Office.
LCSO and Oregon State Police detectives responded to the fire on August 30 and worked in collaboration to make a number of contacts and interview several individuals during the investigation.
Shortly after 3 p.m. Tuesday, 44-year-old Elias Newton Pendergrass of Mapleton was arrested for Arson in the first degree in connection with the Sweet Creek Fire, authorities said.
LCSO said the case is being forwarded to the Lane County District Attorney's Office for review.

"Thank you to the community members who called in and provided investigators with information and tips regarding the origin of the fires, which have now burned over 500 acres," the sheriff's office said.


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He looks as happy as a porcine in refuse. These are the people who want you broke or dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think its funny. Look at his face. He's fucking pleased that he was caught. He's obviously a psycho, and lefties want more people like this? Arson in first degree, if someone died during this arson, thats second degree murder? You know theres a damn good chance of killing someone and you still plan and carry out the arson? I hope y'all motherfuckers die to fire, and burn in hell for eternity.


I hope volunteer fire halls get huge community support after this, and my second hope is that firefighters start catching these people before cops/civilians do. Motherfuckers don't understand how incredibly pissed off a firefighter can get over arson. Best case scenario for them is that they get found tied to a tree with all their arson equipment on the ground at their feet. In Minecraft.
I will admit I am very upset with how politicians are handling this. The thing that pissed me off the most was a video of Comrade Newsom gleefully talking about how the fires are proof of climate change with a big grin on his face.

We haven't seen the sun that isn't blood red in days. We have to wear masks just to check the mail and the end of the street isn't even visible anymore. We have to hide in our homes to avoid the smoke and ash while being ready to go at any moment and this fucking faggot is beaming like an idiot because he's smugly righteous now that in his head he has won.

How about put out some goddamn fires before taking a victory lap? We are suffering and scared. Presumably whoever the fuck voted for Newsom assumed he would help Californians but he has failed this state at every turn and now we are paying the price for it.

See. Another smiling psychopath. He just hasn't been caught with his hand in a big enough pot. Yet.

I hope all you Kiwis stay safe. Shit's fucked this year.
 
I don't think antifa are starting the fires but I think it's hilarious and 100% deserved that they're getting blamed for it. They have been setting fires in major cities for months while the media tells everyone they're actually peaceful fires. Now, there are fires everywhere, and Facebook/Plebbit etc. are surpressing any mention the fires are started by people. It's all very suspicious.
 
I mean, I'm not entirely ruling the potential of potential extremists being idiots, and I wouldn't be shocked at all if some of them were done by Antifa or some similar group. But thus far, I'm not really seeing a lot of evidence that they were involved in setting any significant number of the fires. The primary counterpoint is that politicians and the media wouldn't tell anyone if there was. It's basically "we don't have proof, but they would hide the proof anyway, so of course we don't have proof". Which is...somewhat less than convincing to me.
I can’t remember all the details for the following example so I may be wrong on this one, but I recall the stabber on a bus or train in Portland, Jeremy Christian I believe, wondering on his social media why nobody pretended to be a Trump supporter before doing crimes, and that he was a sanders leftist, but the news claimed he was right-wing because he declared it himself. These events are possible, but proving them is usually too much effort for most parties involved.
 
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