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The fall of the West - When, where and how?
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Do you see em using nukes effectively? They just build a bunch of em secretly under Biden's watch.
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Yet they have more secure elections than our own. The doom and gloom in OP's post is really just that and nothing more, we are nowhere near Roman Empire; China is. We just got loud mouths exercising their rights to speak freely. Unfortunately, that isn't enough for them so they overstep and receive no punishment; as they should. The wrecking ball always swings back to take out the foundation beams.
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The fall of the Roman Empire did not just affect the Romans.
If we end up switching "Crazy Ivan" for "Demented Ding" I don't think we'll have too long to laugh about it. I consider China more alarming than I ever considered the Soviets to be.
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You kidding me? Years of censorship in US modern sequential arts and Europe and the US huffing their own farts while proclaiming their comics are best have contributed to utter stagnation of progressing artistic and creative endeavors, let alone brainpower out west. If the US had an entertainment/animation and comics industry on par with Japan, we wouldn't have this fucking problem.
And I am going to go full on autistic about this shit.
You want to know why the greats like Maxwell, Edison, and Einstein were able to come up with their groundbreaking theorems about reality, matter, energy, and the fundamentals of the universe? They weren't fedoralords who were self centered fags, or luddites and biblethumpers who awaited the Second Coming, they were creative people who also had a great positive interest in the world around them and continued to have a sense of wonder. I say this because "insanity is doing something the same way over again and expecting different results." Edison may have made a lightbulb 10,000 times to get it to work, but fucking A, at least he figured out flaws and studied and figured out shit to get it right.
About 100 some years later, and in the information age, where schools are more focused on garnering test score medians and educational standards to quota, where the arts are full of nostalgic dipshits too hipstering out for the past, where graduates (and dropouts) are meant to be perfectly molded for the workforce, and where even society is meant to keep this going along, I am not surprised at how the dynamics of all of this fucks over the creative and curious part of the brain. If you want my honest opinion, here's a tin foil hat: the corporations and the government doesn't want creativity.
If you ask me, exposure to creativity is feared these days because it gets people thinking beyond their paradigms, and you can't reign in and have a legal flock of
And I hate to take a dig at our pasttime, but, you want to know why we get spergs like Chris Chan and spastic weeaboos and hardcore furries? They have no outlet for their creativity. If anything, I'd have to conclude that's what the glowfuckers want. When you can't win a war feasibly, turn to the devil. Great going there.
This boils back to how we should have found solutions or should be in the process of doing that, but nope! Money, political power, egotism, that's more important.
tl;dr Insanity is an aspect of poor government, and a lack and/or restriction of creativity is a sign of something more fucky going on. Let's keep going, because this shit is interesting.
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I'm not making that argument, that it didn't. I'm just saying, we aren't as bad as it seems.
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Yeah but none of those dead gay cultures had Sargon of Akkad, Ethan Ralph and the Kiwi Farms to save them.
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If you're thinking of that image which purports to show the amount of human feces in seawater in the Indian Ocean, it's a fake. Nobody is going out and measuring fecal concentration at various points in the middle of the ocean. Someone just took a picture showing the effects of the south Asian tsunami of the mid-'00s and put a silly caption on it.
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I certainly hope you're right, but I'm looking over my shoulder at every other possibility.
I'd tie this in to what feels like a collective infantilization of the populace. External loci of emotional control and self-image, the message of government involvement (read: overreach) being perfectly fine and law-abiding citizens have NOTHING to fear, the swings towards immoderate extremes of thought in every direction. For all the world, it looks to me like people are being turned into perpetual children, shallow as puddles and hollow as 55-gallon drums, for "betters" to impress upon and insert their desired systems of thought into.
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And all for the War Machine. As well as Big Corporate and the Banks.
Hate to bring in another topic to this, but either America sweeps itself up in rebellion or goes down disunited. That's the only way I see it.
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Well, the Akkadians literally did.
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I think fracking is more an political problem, like our country for example: We rather mine gas ourselves from an very expensive to dig and crappy gas field rather than to get our gas from Russia and use our crappy gas fields as a last resort. But no cheap gas because Russia bad.
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No big country has been in actual war for decades.
LOL no, Corona's deaths are exaggerated to use it politically.
I wish people start minecrafting politicians rather than let the current situation to continue. Besides that everything you said has no basis in reality.
How is that the problem of western countries? Unless they let every fucking third worlder come in (which they might), the brunt of the damage will affect them.
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Want midwit autism?
Actually, I kinda have an issue with saying that the West is falling. That really depends on your social status and other biases. Yes, I dislike the direction of things, but, I can see that, from the current elite and system's perspective past values are worthless. You having a family, friends and community is just getting in the way of business and complicate their top down control.
Is the West falling on an elite level? not really. Considering good luck finding a country beside some relics that are not neo-liberal consumerist countries. Their reliance on globalization will eventually bend their culture to fit into the globohomo mold.
But ultimately, morals and beauty etc. simply don't mean anything for our spreadsheet driven civilization. Many past things need to be re-check for their origins. For example... the 19th century patriotism and nationalism was basically an excuse for local bourgeois to grap the wealth from hereditary aristocracy and create small closed markets for themselves to build up capital. Slower communication, logistics and lack of industrialized culture creation helped countries to keep their own flavor and language for a longer time. Due to mass armies working better, people were given democracy to feel better about themselves.
Now wars are waged by machines and professional soldiers. Capital can instantly go wherever it want and no healthy bodies are needed in factories. So... why even have anything beside androgynous blobs who work their javascript job, then blow all their money of product? Having different groups of people would simply complicate selling products and services. etc. Not to mention people having actual common ground could create their own closed market and economy. Which is the ultimate sin.
tldr: nice things are basically obsolete
Actually, I kinda have an issue with saying that the West is falling. That really depends on your social status and other biases. Yes, I dislike the direction of things, but, I can see that, from the current elite and system's perspective past values are worthless. You having a family, friends and community is just getting in the way of business and complicate their top down control.
Is the West falling on an elite level? not really. Considering good luck finding a country beside some relics that are not neo-liberal consumerist countries. Their reliance on globalization will eventually bend their culture to fit into the globohomo mold.
But ultimately, morals and beauty etc. simply don't mean anything for our spreadsheet driven civilization. Many past things need to be re-check for their origins. For example... the 19th century patriotism and nationalism was basically an excuse for local bourgeois to grap the wealth from hereditary aristocracy and create small closed markets for themselves to build up capital. Slower communication, logistics and lack of industrialized culture creation helped countries to keep their own flavor and language for a longer time. Due to mass armies working better, people were given democracy to feel better about themselves.
Now wars are waged by machines and professional soldiers. Capital can instantly go wherever it want and no healthy bodies are needed in factories. So... why even have anything beside androgynous blobs who work their javascript job, then blow all their money of product? Having different groups of people would simply complicate selling products and services. etc. Not to mention people having actual common ground could create their own closed market and economy. Which is the ultimate sin.
tldr: nice things are basically obsolete
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hey @Save the Loli
I think you said in the coof thread something like that the powers that shouldn't be are driving the USA to "balkanize". If that happens, what do you think the USA would split into?
Maybe the USA and some leftist place with some "progressive" name?
I think you said in the coof thread something like that the powers that shouldn't be are driving the USA to "balkanize". If that happens, what do you think the USA would split into?
Maybe the USA and some leftist place with some "progressive" name?
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Honestly it's a relief that it's over.
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I suddenly feel much less Western.
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I would read Sir John Glubb and Polybius to understand the fate of all nations when the top stagnates and the bottom suffer the effects of changing conditions. In short (I know this will not be short enough for very specific interested parties who share Null's love for Israel) but societies break from the internal factor of changing technology rendering the Upper Classes unable to continue to legitimately hold the power and wealth they've accumulated and the external factor of disease, climate, and the eternal stage of every nation when the fleecing of the American middle class over the past half century – under both parties – has left millions precarious, dependent, and in need in immediate relief.
Soon subsidies will mitigate uncertainty, but also aggravate dependency and undermine productivity. This is not just theory. History’s only other superpower republic – Ancient Rome – never regained its middle class after making its grain dole permanent. Then deregulation and tax reform will come again, citing the golden age when America enjoyed seemingly unlimited productivity and job creation. American corporations are no longer American, but global. They now have foreign elements in their supply chain and workforce. Furthermore, they factually have foreign owners and answer to foreign interests. So unregulated, multinational corporations sell out American workers to the lowest foreign bidder to make an extra dime. It is mathematical and inescapable. The sandwich of conditional dole - behave poors! - and the Dane-geld being paid out to the entirety of the world's economic organization ends the median classes and maximizes the conditions where the most common and durable source of factionalism has ever been found - the various and unequal distribution of property. Those who hold and those who are without property have ever formed distinct interests in society.
Laissez faire isn’t a solution, it’s Carte Blanche to undercut American workers. The last fifty years of unrestrained capitalism is transforming America into a place that resembles the stratified aristocracies of old Europe more than the hopeful egalitarian Republic which our Founding Fathers established. Likewise, Rome learned the hard way that you cannot restore a productive and independent middle class with subsidies, and that the middling virtues are not quickly revived.
America, first from the World Wars and then from the end of the Cold War, has been spoiled. It has left the middle classes to rot, under the combined efforts of racial and capitalist factions, and the logical thing has happened. If this is not corrected, and the rot has already seeped into the economy and the government, then the combined capitalism of changing technologies and geopolitics lending uncertainties to the rich and socialism of changing climates and economies lending uncertainties to the poor will squeeze the middle class completely out. And America will become the very caricature the histories paint of failing empire, hysterical partying - for the end is coming - from the rich and hysterical rioting - for the cause is justice itself - from the poor. It has, I'm sure you can see, already begun.
What is going to happen is simple.
The purpose of political faction is to obtain control over policy. Control over policy requires control of the government. The greater the scope and importance of governmental action – that is – the greater the sphere of the government’s operations, the wider the scope of policy, the greater and more intense the faction must be to obtain control over the government. If the way is shut for the necessary reforms then the pressure will build until either of two conditions are met: the impossibility of peaceful revolution strengthening then the inevitable alternative of violent revolution, or the policing and murder of the violent revolutionary faction by the declaration that White Nationalism is the greatest threat America has ever faced. We know which the system - with all its past arguments and current interests - logically chose from its position.
The only alternative to the growing factionalism within America resides within the restoration of a large, robust, moderate, independent middle class. The principal policy of any just faction growing within America's rot must be to restore America’s middle class and social mobility. Whoever holds that narrative holds the power to argue the ultimate issue and chastise the other side's pettiness and defective tunnel vision. Whatever the racism they hold.
Soon subsidies will mitigate uncertainty, but also aggravate dependency and undermine productivity. This is not just theory. History’s only other superpower republic – Ancient Rome – never regained its middle class after making its grain dole permanent. Then deregulation and tax reform will come again, citing the golden age when America enjoyed seemingly unlimited productivity and job creation. American corporations are no longer American, but global. They now have foreign elements in their supply chain and workforce. Furthermore, they factually have foreign owners and answer to foreign interests. So unregulated, multinational corporations sell out American workers to the lowest foreign bidder to make an extra dime. It is mathematical and inescapable. The sandwich of conditional dole - behave poors! - and the Dane-geld being paid out to the entirety of the world's economic organization ends the median classes and maximizes the conditions where the most common and durable source of factionalism has ever been found - the various and unequal distribution of property. Those who hold and those who are without property have ever formed distinct interests in society.
Laissez faire isn’t a solution, it’s Carte Blanche to undercut American workers. The last fifty years of unrestrained capitalism is transforming America into a place that resembles the stratified aristocracies of old Europe more than the hopeful egalitarian Republic which our Founding Fathers established. Likewise, Rome learned the hard way that you cannot restore a productive and independent middle class with subsidies, and that the middling virtues are not quickly revived.
-James Madison, Federalist No. 10
America, first from the World Wars and then from the end of the Cold War, has been spoiled. It has left the middle classes to rot, under the combined efforts of racial and capitalist factions, and the logical thing has happened. If this is not corrected, and the rot has already seeped into the economy and the government, then the combined capitalism of changing technologies and geopolitics lending uncertainties to the rich and socialism of changing climates and economies lending uncertainties to the poor will squeeze the middle class completely out. And America will become the very caricature the histories paint of failing empire, hysterical partying - for the end is coming - from the rich and hysterical rioting - for the cause is justice itself - from the poor. It has, I'm sure you can see, already begun.
-Polybius, The Histories
Going forward instead, we could – with only the slightest adjustment to the tax code – cap household net worth at some reasonable multiple of the median net worth (but not tax existing wealth). Every pay cut, tax hike, price increase, hidden cost, layoff, job outsourced, debt, foreclosure, benefit reduction, pay disparity, and machine and algorithm which reduces the wages of a flesh-and-blood American worker – in other words, all forces depressing the median – are computed by the median net worth. Thereafter, the very top could only enjoy further financial gain only when the median gains. The rationale for this is that when the top is anchored to the median, all the energies of most industrial minds would have to also focus on the common goal of increasing the median. This approach would align the interests of the billionaire class to the middle class. But will we? No. For the reforms needed, all without new subsidies, corporate taxes, or business regulations, may already be too late to implement. The geriatric minds of Congress bar the doorway to change, and the only political party that actually runs the country - through the press, universities, and institutions if not the public offices - thinks the rot empowers them with political capital and celebrity.
The purpose of political faction is to obtain control over policy. Control over policy requires control of the government. The greater the scope and importance of governmental action – that is – the greater the sphere of the government’s operations, the wider the scope of policy, the greater and more intense the faction must be to obtain control over the government. If the way is shut for the necessary reforms then the pressure will build until either of two conditions are met: the impossibility of peaceful revolution strengthening then the inevitable alternative of violent revolution, or the policing and murder of the violent revolutionary faction by the declaration that White Nationalism is the greatest threat America has ever faced. We know which the system - with all its past arguments and current interests - logically chose from its position.
The only alternative to the growing factionalism within America resides within the restoration of a large, robust, moderate, independent middle class. The principal policy of any just faction growing within America's rot must be to restore America’s middle class and social mobility. Whoever holds that narrative holds the power to argue the ultimate issue and chastise the other side's pettiness and defective tunnel vision. Whatever the racism they hold.
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Probably a West Coast state (Washington, Oregon, California, probably Nevada and Arizona and whatever else the Commiefornians can seize) and an East Coast state (Maine down to Virginia) which are hyper-progressive California-on-steroids hellholes, Hawaii (Chinese puppet state/naval base), Alaska (same as Hawaii but also receives "Chinese immigrants" i.e. prisoners who work in Chinese "employment camps"), and then 1-3 other countries in the middle which are deliberately isolated from the world and subject to glowie infiltration until they install neoliberal governments that rape the land for cheap food and minerals.
I believe they want something like this to divide the US. When we have Civil War II/World War III, I bet they will invite the Chinese military in as a force multiplier since the US military has such insane rot in it that even if 80% supports globohomo the rebels still stand a chance at winning because losers like Chief of Staff Mark "Critical Theory rules" Milley and Lt. Colonel (probably a future general lol) Fatboy Vindman would in an actual war be on par with the average Italian WWII general or Stalin's favorite generals in 1940.