The fall of the West - When, where and how?

Save the Loli said:
Arizona
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Despite how last "election" went, I doubt Arizona would really join the leftists in any split, unless Phoenix is leftist enough. In a civil war, "battleground states" could become literal battlegrounds.

I hope Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo doesn't happen, but it does seem headed in that direction, seeing as how divisive politics are now. And "influencer" jerks and clown "journalists" certainly don't help things. Being a Republican in Current Year is as bad to the woke cult as being a KKK member - maybe even worse.
 
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Sped Xing said:
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Honestly it's a relief that it's over.
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Finally, the East Side won.

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America was at it's absolute peak when homes were affordable, you could reliably retire, you could easily afford a home, college didn't put you in debt, neighborhoods were safe, and other things.

We're going to keep decaying and eventually collapse as long as we keep ignoring basic human needs and
happiness. It's nihilistic too, there's no point to any of it. We could keep this country going for hundreds of more years if we reversed course and had a government interested in looking out for the people.

We don't need socialism to do it, either. We didn't have socialism when we had these things. But somehow the idea that the government step in and reverse course and have human-facing policies is branded as 'dirty pinko shit' and now nothing is done. Look how long it took to get any stimulus check out to the people while they printed money to bail out corporations.

FDR very famously saved capitalism.
 
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some people are simply superfluous on this world, the world doesn't need South Asia, The Middle East or Africa. Ancient civilization didn't have nukes, the modern day starving nomads are a non-issue if the big red button is at the right desk
 
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First things first, I do not see us running out of electricity anytime soon...or really ever for that matter. We will just have to adapt and change what resources we use. This is especially true if you're making energy predictions over five damn decades from now.

I don't know why for the life of me OP is listening to people that make predictions 80-90 years in the future. Look at humanity in the year 1910, and then look at us in the year 1990 and tell me if you see anything resembling 1910 anywhere. The technology we could have at 2100 could be unimaginable to us today, or just somewhat mediocre. Technology got us into this mess, and it will get us out of it. Finally I don't see why people speak about Western culture like its one all encompassing civilization. If America and the majority of Europe turns to shit and "falls" that doesn't mean western culture will just die in the same way it didn't die when the Romans fell. "We will all die if you don't listen to the experts! I listen to them so you should listen to ME!" Yeah, bullshit. Stop listening to those people OP. Im not saying climate change isn't real, but we aren't close to some world-ending scenario. Besides ill be fucking dead by 2080 anyway, so I kinda don't give a fuck.
 
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ZeCommissar said:
Technology got us into this mess, and it will get us out of it.
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I think it's possible "Uncle Ted" was right: the more tech advances, the less freedom there'll be, because there's more centralized control. And of course, certain globalist tyrants behind that control.

Anyway, the modern world overall sucks, so I hope it changes for the better. Even if some global catastrophe wipes Homo sapiens out, it wouldn't be as bad as Current Year never ending. Maybe tech really could be used to make the world a futuristic utopia, assuming the population stops being so full of dicks?

ToroidalBoat said:
The typical modern American city really is like a machine. From the air, it looks like a circuit board. The cheap corporate-built buildings look like electronic components, and the roads look like circuit pathways. Down on the ground, there's no real society. Everyone is isolated in their homes, mechanized transport, or at places of business (remember that SpongeBob clip?).

Only technology and mechanistic routine - with an over-reliance on the vendor system - keeps things going. Even food is distributed by vendors in bullshit portions at bullshit prices from industrial processing. And to keep things running, the modern world has to have excessive rules. Many live the same.

All most people can do is work and consume, or go to school to work and consume. Modern work itself is often enough driven by "scientific management", which often enough takes place in ugly and depressing fluorescent-lit factory-like environments - or actual factories. Gone are the days where one could more or less easily make a living on their own.

What little culture is left seems to be eroding away - especially with this "New Normal". Consumerism and politics - especially now - seem to be replacing it.

Socialization normally only happens in cliques. Technology is increasingly eroding that away, with "real life" increasingly being replaced with tech.

Not everything modern is bad of course, and the past wasn't exactly pleasant. But the combination that is the modern world is a miserable hell - although media and a social life can help one cope.

And power-hungry elite who run the show want it this way. A cybernetic hive of consumer serfs. A cyberpunk dystopia.
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ZeCommissar said:
The technology we could have at 2100 could be unimaginable to us today, or just somewhat mediocre. Technology got us into this mess, and it will get us out of it.
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Nuclear Fusion is could stop countries burning coal, you have a Dutch start up, Ocean Cleanup, working on developing tech to trawl the ocean for plastics. Modern cities that wern't built in the 1800s are being designed to handle large traffic flow and incorporate green gardens and the like. Bionic parts arn't deus ex levels yet but it's getting there.

I know the doom and gloom of modern day and thinking you don't matter in the large scale shifts of the worlds governments and corporations makes you feel insignificant but we live in interesting times. In 1900, 90% of the world was in undeveloped countries, even just 100 years ago China had warlords, Korea was under occupation by Japan that introduced the basis of their modern society, Africa was split between colonial powers, South America was awash of revolutions and trying to establish legitimate governments. And now, only about 9% of the world live in abject poverty.
Tech has pushed us this far and it'll get humans futher.
 
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The West was done the moment people decided to mock Sargon's suit instead of helping him to get Trump tweet #GamerGate and start a systematic campaign of ethic cleansing in games journalism. Games journalism could have been ethically cleansed, UKIP could have won, Trump could have been REEE-elected and the West could have been saved, but we had to act like White Chocolate Americans...
 
I Love Beef said:
You want to know why the greats like Maxwell, Edison, and Einstein were able to come up with their groundbreaking theorems about reality, matter, energy, and the fundamentals of the universe? They weren't fedoralords who were self centered fags, or luddites and biblethumpers who awaited the Second Coming
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James Clerk Maxwell was a deeply religious man. So was Faraday. Newton wasn't 100% orthodox, but he was within the boundaries of acceptable religious positions of the time, and spent more time on trying to figure out when the Second Coming would happen than he did on calculus or physical mechanics.
 
Thomas Talus said:
James Clerk Maxwell was a deeply religious man. So was Faraday. Newton wasn't 100% orthodox, but he was within the boundaries of acceptable religious positions of the time, and spent more time on trying to figure out when the Second Coming would happen than he did on calculus or physical mechanics.
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I think we can reinterpret what I said as that they weren't doomsday fanatics who locked themselves up or zealots of divine madness. You can be pious and still be a man of the world, I agree with that.

ngl I do also believe that a new form of Christianity has to come about considering all of the shit older denominations have pulled. Everyone's turned away from fire and brimstone because after several wars around the globe later, we're only realizing that the worst of the world tends to come from mankind. Ironically, atheists don't get that, which I don't expect them to either.
 
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Why did Rome fall? Naked and petty corruption.

Why is China overtaking us? Simple, we sold ourselves cheaply. Utilities, technology, real estate, cattle grazing... We don't even our own land.
 
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