The Final Fantasy Thread

My retarded two cents: I think all the characters that are suppose to die (including a few extra people thrown in) will wind up living, but with a catch; it's Sephiroth's doing. Why? Because he knows that if fighting Cloud and co. won't get him what he wants he'll give them what they want, their friend's lives. All he'll ask for is that he gets to destroy the planet after they all die or some Jenova shit or something like that. Everybody says "No" after a scene of two about what their lives could of been and what the survivors lives will be like without them and then you have the final battle. Everybody says their goodbyes as the time-space-pocket-dimension-core-of-the-planet collapses of something and then, ending, roll credits.

Or something along those lines.
 
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Berrakh said:
Dunkey and Yahtzee are better evaluators than any FF7 e-celeb.
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No they are not.

Zeke Von Genbu said:
Its more so that I haven't touched FF7 in forever and it isn't my favorite game or anything like it is for some, so I don't fully recall everything in its fullest. I still believe Aerith's death is a core part of the story though based on my rough recollection of its plot and themes. I can't fully recount many plots in many games that I like, that's just a me thing.

Also "the fanbase" in everything revises a lot of scenes and characters whenever the collective internet brain trust decides to turn (or just ignore entirely) emotional moments into jokes to make memes. DMC is an example of this as many people due to memes boil Dante down to "wacky wahoo pizza man" and while he isn't the deepest or most depressing character in fiction by a long shot, the man still lost his parents and thought he lost his brother for the longest time. Nero is a man with a deadbeat dad who gets his arm ripped off by said dad because his dad is greedy, but no one cares about that because "LMAO DEADWEIGHT, FUCK YOU" meme. The same can also be said for Vergil who is just "I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING ON MY PLASTIC CHAIR" man now in the worst way, while ignoring how Vergil serves as a foil for Dante.

Yes DMC is not a major deep drama at all and is played pretty light hearted most the time, but their are people who have reduced the entire story into stupid jokes, memes, and only the comedy to the point where the original character is almost lost, especially to more casual fans. While I can chuckle at Vergil's stupid chair I still can acknowledge his actual character for what it is, same with Dante. Dante is not just wacky wahoo pizza man to me, unlike apparently 80% or so of the internet that knows him.

Raiden from MGS is forever bound to all the MGR memes, especially in recent times, that ignore all of what his actual story is in favor of whatever joke they want to use. Raiden's a pretty fucked up character given his history, but you wouldn't really know that because a lot of people just remember him wearing a sombrero in MGR as a quick gag and he loses his arm to a double jumping Brazilian who has the "THERE WILL BE BLOOD-SHED" theme, which is more like a joke then something actually impactful now.

Xenoblade Chronicles 1 has some pretty big emotional moments for some people and Shulk goes through a lot of stuff in that game, but most people just remember Shulk as "I'm really feeling it!" man because it became a meme due to Smash. NPC redditors and their ilk will boil down many characters in media to quotable memes and other random dumbshit, that is just the internet, that doesn't mean the actual story didn't happen and it doesn't count. People meme on everything, especially if its popular. Stories should not be decided and determined overall by what random people on social media think is important to care about, but on what is actually within the story by itself.

As for your very last point, I mean this I think can be part of the overarching question of if FF7R should even exist anyway the way they decided to remake it? Which I think has been discussed to death at this point. I suppose I can see your point if that's your argument, but I think within the context of original 7, Aerith death is sacred and important.
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It's far easier to summarize DMC into memes though since the series is low brow. You could say a similar thing for MGR as well regardless of what you think about Raiden per se (that is outside that game). That game is simply dumb as hell. FF7 story-wise I would say is somewhere in the middle. Definitely not deep but also not patently stupid especially once you reach the end of disk 1.

Put simply I think it's reasonable to caricature low brow games since they're meant to be the butt of jokes but disrespectful to try and do that for something like FF7.
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
the only question is if she will revive the same game or it will be the sequel hook,
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DLC pack after the last part comes out that lets you ACHIVE THE PERFECT ENDING WHERE EVERYONE LIVES.

Only 20 Dollars.

Edit: Also the PERFECT ENDING WHERE EVERYONE LIVES thing will have some stupid fucking reference to FFX-2 in the time travel explanations that somehow makes everything fucking worse.
 
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I think somebody's gonna get wacked to shit and back. but you guys are assuming its gotta be sephiroth who does the deed. Why not genesis? He's being brought back and hyped up.
 
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I finally tried XV after years of thinking it looked retarded and 'not for me', especially after disliking XIII so much and not wanting my time wasted. Wish I had looked into it sooner because I really enjoy it. Also surprised by the good work the English VA's put in, it doesn't feel half-assed at all.
 
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A-Stump said:
I finally tried XV after years of thinking it looked retarded and 'not for me', especially after disliking XIII so much and not wanting my time wasted. Wish I had looked into it sooner because I really enjoy it. Also surprised by the good work the English VA's put in, it doesn't feel half-assed at all.
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The one thing 15 does really well is set up a brotherhood between the party members, and it does it so well it carry's a lot of the game on its back, but from a villain and lore standpoint, a lot of the game has been stripped out.

Not saying you shouldn't enjoy it, the royal edition put some of the cut gameplay and combat elements back in it, but it very much does not reflect what the game was originally supposed to be.


Id probably be underselling it if I said 50% of this game was cut out.
 
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Michael Wade said:
The one thing 15 does really well is set up a brotherhood between the party members, and it does it so well it carry's a lot of the game on its back, but from a villain and lore standpoint, a lot of the game has been stripped out.

Not saying you shouldn't enjoy it, the royal edition put some of the cut gameplay and combat elements back in it, but it very much does not reflect what the game was originally supposed to be.


Id probably be underselling it if I said 50% of this game was cut out.
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Eh if it's shorter than it could be I don't count that as a negative as I don't like spending tons of time on one thing these days. I've been slowly getting through the Trails of Cold Steel series because it requires such a time dump for me.
 
Michael Wade said:
I think somebody's gonna get wacked to shit and back. but you guys are assuming its gotta be sephiroth who does the deed. Why not genesis? He's being brought back and hyped up.
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Why not both, Genesis and Sephiroth perform a Fusion dance to be the Biggest Faggot in the Series.

It will be the Final Faggotry.
 
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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
DLC pack after the last part comes out that lets you ACHIVE THE PERFECT ENDING WHERE EVERYONE LIVES.

Only 20 Dollars.

Edit: Also the PERFECT ENDING WHERE EVERYONE LIVES thing will have some stupid fucking reference to FFX-2 in the time travel explanations that somehow makes everything fucking worse.
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I used to be mad salty that FF7 was 'the one' that everyone fucking loved and how there was so much media and shit devoted to it.

Seeing the state that it is in makes me happy that I can enjoy FF6 and FFT with minimal bullshit these days.
 
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Marissa Moira said:
But Final Fantasy 7 has no ties to Final Fantasy 10.
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Are you sure?

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The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
And you think Square Enix are above either scenario?
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No, if anything the time travel story is the most likely. But thinking about it more in gameplay terms, the most logical thing happening is that they'll pull a Chrono:

Cloud has a vision of Aerith dying, he does a big NNNNOOOOOOO and gets killed instead, the party the meets Zack who happens to play EXACTLY like Cloud (can't develop a whole different animations for a glorified pallette swap). They find a way to the past, Zack sacrifices himself instead of Cloud saying he should be dead anyways. Everybody cries, and that's how the game ends.
 
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verissimus said:
It's far easier to summarize DMC into memes though since the series is low brow. You could say a similar thing for MGR as well regardless of what you think about Raiden per se (that is outside that game). That game is simply dumb as hell. FF7 story-wise I would say is somewhere in the middle. Definitely not deep but also not patently stupid especially once you reach the end of disk 1.

Put simply I think it's reasonable to caricature low brow games since they're meant to be the butt of jokes but disrespectful to try and do that for something like FF7.
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This happens in these sort of middle ground games too, although I'd say MGR is on some level trying to talk seriously about something through YMMV on how much it says but I'll let that go to not sperg too much on a mostly unrelated topic. Yakuza has this issue too, which if you just play the main game it is a pretty serious story that you're meant to feel emotional about like with FF7. It is a crime drama with a lot of optional levity to not overwhelm the player with all the blood, fighting, death, and complicated/convoluted drama going on which I think is fair, because if you just treat a messy bloody story entirely straight it can start to lean into overly bleak edgy crap a lot of the time. Yakuza's strength is how it generally nicely teeters between utter insanity to serious drama to the point where it blends nicely, as sometimes live is just sometimes utterly insane (see: clown world) as much as it is serious and tragic when conflict arises.

Pretty much if any game has a notable degree of levity and humor or just happens to have that one scene/quote that the internet decides is the funniest shit ever, those moments tends to overwhelm what the game's story is actually about in the collective consciousness of the internet. Kiryu becomes the man who beats up literal man babies, or dances to disco, or whatever the internet thinks he is. Then they ignore Kiryu for all his drama, conflict, and everything he goes through that is meant to be taken reasonably seriously even if Yakuza does very dumb shit like "rubber bullets" from time to time.

To use other FF examples, FF10 (or at least Tidus himself) tends to get boiled down to the stupid laugh in the dub or some of the stupid stuff he says about Zanarkand at the start of the game because it is funny out of context. Zack sometimes gets boiled down to his funny looking squats which for some people overtakes or undermines his actual tragedy especially younger people who didn't grow up with FF7. This happened with Persona 5 too due to its extreme popularity and handful memeable moments, which even if you think that game sucks or the story sucks, I wouldn't consider it a low brow game like you can argue DMC or MGR is even if the quality of the writing is debatable.

So while it makes sense for people to try and make fun of goofy moments in games, I feel the internet has a tendency to cling to those goofy moments and only those to the point where people (especially those only looking at memes) don't even know what the game is actually about anymore. That's why I also use Xenoblade 1 and not just more off the wall games like DMC or MGR.
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
No, if anything the time travel story is the most likely. But thinking about it more in gameplay terms, the most logical thing happening is that they'll pull a Chrono:

Cloud has a vision of Aerith dying, he does a big NNNNOOOOOOO and gets killed instead, the party the meets Zack who happens to play EXACTLY like Cloud (can't develop a whole different animations for a glorified pallette swap). They find a way to the past, Zack sacrifices himself instead of Cloud saying he should be dead anyways. Everybody cries, and that's how the game ends.
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Chrono Trigger or Chrono Cross? Because I'm betting on the latter considering how ridiculously convoluted that game was.
 
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