The Final Fantasy Thread

TheKatIsNowGone said:
My only comment is that the scene at the end of Midgar isn't nearly as satisfying and conclusive as you state. Yes, there is a significant change but no great obstacle has been overcome. It was Sephiroth who killed the president of Shinra, not you, and at that point in the game you still don't even know who Sephiroth is. Literally everything that happens up to leaving Midgar is the game giving you no actual choice or impact and leaving you more as the viewer. It isn't until considerably later in the game that Cloud actually gets to make choices and get involved in the struggle for the planet... which is why when they released Final Fantasy VII the first time they didn't stop at Midgar.

To a newcomer: that's going to suck.

Frankly them dividing the game up in to sections is clearly just an attempt to prevent the already long and troubled development cycle from getting even longer, and it really shows how troubled this remake is if they're that desperate to release something. Even if you want to deny that a $60 game of just Midgar will be unsatisfying for the average fan, you have to admit this game has had a terribly troubled development cycle ever since it was first announced for PS3 (not a typo, that's how long ago this shit was announced).

Optimism and hype are cool and all but at some point reality will set in, just like it did with Final Fantasy XV.
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FFVII remake was never announced for PS3. It was announced for PS4 well after the system was released. It had been rumored for PS3 forever, but with no real basis in fact.
 
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Sir Wesley Tailpipe said:
FFVII remake was never announced for PS3. It was announced for PS4 well after the system was released. It had been rumored for PS3 forever, but with no real basis in fact.
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It was the E3 Tech Demo that did it. Nothing about it ever stated a remake was coming, but you can't put out a huge cock-tease like that and not expect people to get massively hyped.

On an unrelated note, are people really going into the remake with it as their first experience of FF7? Surely it would benefit Square to encourage people to play the original first, if for no other reason then to boost sales of the remaster.
 
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BlindBulldog said:
It was the E3 Tech Demo that did it. Nothing about it ever stated a remake was coming, but you can't put out a huge cock-tease like that and not expect people to get massively hyped.

On an unrelated note, are people really going into the remake with it as their first experience of FF7? Surely it would benefit Square to encourage people to play the original first, if for no other reason then to boost sales of the remaster.
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Squaresoft has had a long history of tech demos related to nothing, like the SIGGraph 1995 SGI demo of a polygonal FFVI battle, or the real-time FFVIII ballroom scene demo at the PS2 unveiling. The Midgard real-time scene was just another of those, and honestly, anyone expecting a game out of it was just as much of a dipshit as the people who preordered N64s because of the SGI demo.

In short, if Squaresoft shows a demo but doesn’t say it’s announcing a game with that demo, it’s just a tech demo, and nothing more.
 
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Sir Wesley Tailpipe said:
Squaresoft has had a long history of tech demos related to nothing, like the SIGGraph 1995 SGI demo of a polygonal FFVI battle, or the real-time FFVIII ballroom scene demo at the PS2 unveiling. The Midgard real-time scene was just another of those, and honestly, anyone expecting a game out of it was just as much of a dipshit as the people who preordered N64s because of the SGI demo.

In short, if Squaresoft shows a demo but doesn’t say it’s announcing a game with that demo, it’s just a tech demo, and nothing more.
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Are you insinuating that sometimes corporations tell the truth? That's the real fantasy here.
 
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BlindBulldog said:
Surely it would benefit Square to encourage people to play the original first, if for no other reason then to boost sales of the remaster.
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What a weird suggestion.

Why, if they're not already planning on playing the remake, would people buy and play a 70 hour PS1 RPG? It seems like it would be much, MUCH harder to convince people to play the original game with its ancient graphics and terrible story than the remake.
 
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BlindBulldog said:
On an unrelated note, are people really going into the remake with it as their first experience of FF7? Surely it would benefit Square to encourage people to play the original first, if for no other reason then to boost sales of the remaster.
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Of course they are. You can't expect people to just read text in current year. Also the younguns hate the graphics. Don't worry though. They've marathoned the compilation content, read the translated Ultimania guide, and between the wiki and fanfiction are completely prepared for this.

Stab You in the Back said:
What a weird suggestion.

Why, if they're not already planning on playing the remake, would people buy and play a 70 hour PS1 RPG? It seems like it would be much, MUCH harder to convince people to play the original game with its ancient graphics and terrible story than the remake.
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If the story was terrible then it's going to be just as terrible in 3d attached to a mediocre ARPG.
 
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Megaroad 2012 said:

Girly cloud and Honey Bee Inn featured. Other than the comical villianous potrayl of ShinRa, I'm feeling it again.

Guess we'll see in April.
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I like that they're keeping the same tone of the original, in that it's serious but not afraid to get goofy at times.

Not feeling the early appearance of Sephiroth though.
 
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The troons are going to go apeshit over this.

Sephiroth too early. Tifa and Aerith still seem to have switched personalities. Shinra dudes I'm not crazy about, particularly Hojo. Hopefully Rufus has charisma. Meh. wait and see.
 
Megaroad 2012 said:

Girly cloud and Honey Bee Inn featured. Other than the comical villianous potrayl of ShinRa, I'm feeling it again.

Guess we'll see in April.
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Who the fuck is that OC at 1:40? Please tell me we're not getting Genesis type characters. They talked on and on about how they needed to separate it into parts to get all the content, and now they're adding new shit?

I'm also still very concerned that this first part is going to be Midgar only. That was only 2-3 hours of the first disk. The game will never be done if they don't even get to Aerith's death in this game.
 
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This is probably going to be the fan interpretation of VII, which has been the de facto version of VII since Nomura took over.

Can we derail this for a second: how the hell did Nomura get so much leverage? I still to this day don't understand why his name is front and center of every title screen with the whole "CHARACTER DESIGNER: TETSUO NOMURA", even when he did like, one design while other people did all the real work.

He's competent but he's also not exactly a super skilled artist like Yoji Shinkawa or has a unique look that pops like Kazuma Kaneko's SMT stuff. He's just functional. I don't even think he can draw backgrounds and I know he doesn't know how to ink (he just colors pencils).

I really do like the work he did for VII and especially Parasite Eve but man, his realistic stuff starting with VIII and X looks weird and off kilter if you look at it long enough and his Kingdom Hearts stuff is too generic anime (to his defense, deviantart has really ruined this style for me).

Also he earned a place in hell for Musashi's metrosexual design in Samurai Legend.
 
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Megaroad 2012 said:
This is probably going to be the fan interpretation of VII, which has been the de facto version of VII since Nomura took over.

Can we derail this for a second: how the hell did Nomura get so much leverage? I still to this day don't understand why his name is front and center of every title screen with the whole "CHARACTER DESIGNER: TETSUO NOMURA", even when he did like, one design while other people did all the real work.

He's competent but he's also not exactly a super skilled artist like Yoji Shinkawa or has a unique look that pops like Kazuma Kaneko's SMT stuff. He's just functional. I don't even think he can draw backgrounds and I know he doesn't know how to ink (he just colors pencils).

I really do like the work he did for VII and especially Parasite Eve but man, his realistic stuff starting with VIII and X looks weird and off kilter if you look at it long enough and his Kingdom Hearts stuff is too generic anime (to his defense, deviantart has really ruined this style for me).

Also he earned a place in hell for Musashi's metrosexual design in Samurai Legend.
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Probably because the stuff he worked on ended up being Square's most profitable games and the people above him started leaving their positions such as series creator Hironobu Sakaguchi and VII's original director Yoshinori Kitase (who is now the vice president, though he is working as a producer on the remake). Now that they're gone/elsewhere, Nomura's gotten a lot more control over the studio's products.
 
Not to go all culture war but it just occurred to me we've reached the point where sexualizing women is not socially acceptable (at least if they're main characters), so instead we're sexualizing feminine looking men.

We are now Spartans, only fat.
 
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