The Final Fantasy Thread

I'm not sure why everyone is acting so surprised since this is exactly the kind of story these guys have been making for the last 10+ years. I mean I wouldn't have predicted it shitting the bed in this exact, specific way. But I did kind of expect it to have some big fuckups.

It may not be so much surprise as it is frustration in that they continue to both screw up at the upper management level but also in terms of fan outreach and goodwill. Compare Square Enix over the past decade or so versus Capcom. I remember people raising quite a bit of fuss against them as well Square, but for the past 2 to 3 years it seems they've managed to turn things around with stuff like DMC5, Monster Hunter World, and both Resident Evil 2 and 3 remakes. You'd figure, by now Square would think to themselves that maybe they should just give fans mostly want they wanted and be honest about it and above all produce such at a steady pace, but no. They just can't get things together.

Tidus sees a blitzball and goes to kick it but it turns out to be a landmine. It explodes and his severed head lands in Yuna's lap.

I'm not joking, that's the plot of that novel.

Riveting stuff there...

@Marissa Moira It has its moments.
 
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I'm not sure why everyone is acting so surprised since this is exactly the kind of story these guys have been making for the last 10+ years. I mean I wouldn't have predicted it shitting the bed in this exact, specific way. But I did kind of expect it to have some big fuckups.

Nothing about this ridiculous plot shit surprises me. I am not a big kingdom hearts fan; after I played KH2 i gave up on the series because of how stupid it got but I've heard it gets so much worse. You're absolutely correct in saying that that is all that SE can make these days.

I'll probably play FFVII:R and enjoy it at some point in the future when its like 20$. It doesn't ruin the original game, I'm not that sort of autist. It's just a shame to see such a staggering lack of creativity from the company that used to be so fun.
 
Aeris is also a little different, she was more flirty in the original. I guess this can be excused as a conscious decision to make her less willing to lead Cloud on since she knows the future but idk. Happy coincidence for sure. They also made the two of them much more overtly friendly, even if Tifa still gets upset that Cloud might be drawn to Aeris but this change bothers me less.
Aeris seems downright weird in the remake. Like, I get that she was sort of a "crystals woo woo Cetra" chick, but it was really subdued; probably because she lived in the big city slums run by the megacorp and a pimp, so she had to be tougher to deal with all the lechers and jerks. In the remake she seems literally autistic and naive. Her responses seem stilted and disconnected and somehow she (like Tifa) has less character and overall expressiveness than her PS1-era counterpart.

I guess they min-maxed with a preference toward anime waifu traits.

I'm not sure why everyone is acting so surprised since this is exactly the kind of story these guys have been making for the last 10+ years. I mean I wouldn't have predicted it shitting the bed in this exact, specific way. But I did kind of expect it to have some big fuckups.
I'm just thrilled my negativity was entirely validated and I get to shit on the new crop of Final Fantasy fans some more.
 
Versus 13 wasn't really an idea worth going Tora Tora Tora! over.

Like everything we knew about it was just surface level stuff and nothing about the battle system. Spending 6 years on a game and not having a solid build also isn't the wisest idea ever. Like if he was spending 6 years writing the story and doing world building, that would have crippled the game from the get go because you need the combat in place before you start with the story. It's how they designed Dragon Quest.

If he's that tied to the idea of a Metropolitan/Suburban fantasy setting then that's something you could make an original series for. The exploration aspects of 15 were probably their strongest next to the battle system. Not everything needs to be tied to Final Fantasy.
 
Neither was an iron embargo yet WW2 happened.

Yeah that shit was why I stopped giving a damn about FF. All that bullshit you had to go through in X-2 to get the best ending wasted because Square-Enix can't just let shit end and has to keep jerking off their franchises and sequelbait for games they'll never make.
X-2 was the beginning of the jpop nonsense and Tidus coming back to life was terrible fanservice.
 
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X-2 was the beginning of the jpop nonsense and Tidus coming back to life was terrible fanservice.
I did 100% in a single run, he better have come back from the dead after that. He also should have brought me nachos with how dainty I had to treat the controller, lest I accidentally hit X. I had so many save spaces for that game and PS2 memory cards were not cheap.
 
Neither was an iron embargo yet WW2 happened.


X-2 was the beginning of the jpop nonsense and Tidus coming back to life was terrible fanservice.
I'm just salty they made you go through so much stupid bullshit.

Few games piss me off like X-2 did in that regard.

I did 100% in a single run, he better have come back from the dead after that. He also should have brought me nachos with how dainty I had to treat the controller, lest I accidentally hit X. I had so many save spaces for that game and PS2 memory cards were not cheap.
Yeah after all that bullshit he should just chill in Yuna's house and feed her grapes forever.

Instead the stupid motherfucker repeatedly gets himself killed in the most fucktarded ways possible and then mouths off at Yuna after she tells him to please stop acting like a re.tard after she revives his dumbass and they break up. But the romantic tension's still there because Square has to bait the teen girls with drama.

All so Square could tardcum a game they had left alone for a decade.
 
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You know a JRPG with a Normal ass story with no convoluted psycho babble exists, it's called The Tales series.

I mean think of berseria's story, it didn't need umpteenth dimensions and attempted plot twists and that's probably one of the better JRPGs this generation.

Dragon Quest 11's story also was fairly normal but no westerners bought that like they do Final Fantasy.
 
I'm honestly just happy for any JRPG that doesn't have time travel in it at this point.

That's already been done before both well with Chrono Trigger and badly with FF8 and, though I'm not personally aware of, 13-2 and some Kingdom Hearts game I think although I can understand why you feel that way. I get the impression that stories with time travel elements are best when they don't take things too seriously and are meant to be funny (well besides Terminator 1 and 2).

Aeris seems downright weird in the remake. Like, I get that she was sort of a "crystals woo woo Cetra" chick, but it was really subdued; probably because she lived in the big city slums run by the megacorp and a pimp, so she had to be tougher to deal with all the lechers and jerks. In the remake she seems literally autistic and naive. Her responses seem stilted and disconnected and somehow she (like Tifa) has less character and overall expressiveness than her PS1-era counterpart.

I interpreted her personality both in the original and especially in the remake as someone that is pretty aware (sometimes too much so) of her surroundings/predicament but pretty much chooses to be oblivious or positive regardless. For example, take her interactions with Rude. It's clear she knows he has to monitor her, and yet she, naively like you mentioned, and meekly asks him to leave her and Cloud alone anyway,
 
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I thought FFX-2 had a reason for the tonal shift, going from a bit of a somber first game to a more fun ride being free of Sin was cool to see. Some of it is a bit nostalgic for me though, I played it first when I was around the age of 13 - and I still think the battle system is incredibly fun. I also like a lot of side-quests that help the world building.

The J-Pop stuff is a bit outdated, or it felt that way at the time. In the US, the boy/girl band stuff was kinda dying or already dead, and it seemed to be growing in Japan so it was hard to relate to it. And then there is some fan service that is annoying. But overall, there was more positives in FFX-2 than negatives. I'm not sure it is a good second chapter for FFX.
 
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Its really my fault I bought this, but I don't use my PS4 for much and I've gotten what I want on it (JoJo Eyes if Heaven, Bloodborne, Persona 5). I don't really mind the prettiness and the gameplay, and to be frank, I honestly wasn't expecting a fully faithful remake. Companies can't even do remasters correctly these days (see the 'remasters' of the older FFs on Steam where you have to grab mods to get the good sprite art back).

The only thing I'm mad about is that it had to be multiple games instead of a single one. But that's ok, if I turn out loathing the direction it goes, I'll just finish it, never buy the sequel and go 'lol, this is trash', mine the devout FFVII players for salt and start up Persona 5 royal waifu action. Though if it turns out to be magnificent Japanese insanity I'll probably buy the sequel. I'm too used to Western games 'making sense' and having 'plots'. If it turns into Nomura being a spiteful, idotic faggot then I'll just cut my losses and laugh.



My experience with these things laid this early is they typically amount to nothing due to huge development cycles and things changing rapidly over time. I'd say the best answer is don't speculate, because the likelihood these things matter less and less and less goes upward over time. The way this 'remake' turned out it is that it basically wasn't designed properly with no real plan going forward in the future. The more I play, the more this feeling I get from that. So I imagine it is going to turn out to be a clusterfuck.

Just hope Nomura is batshit enough like Kojima that it will turn into a beautiful clusterfuck like a half-naked supermodel breathing through her skin and dancing in water in a thong and not a boring clusterfuck like Rian Johnson where he makes 'Opposite Day: The Movie'.
My experience tells me Nomura isn't the kind of insane to the point of it working in spite of itself like Kojima is. He'll make a clusterfuck it's impossible to completely unravel.
 
I beat FFX for the first time yesterday. I missed the game during its original release, so I only knew it through the memes. The writing and acting get substantially better in the second half. Any way they can patch that in for the whole game?
 
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If you folks want a good game with some time travel and alternate timelines, just play Radiant Historia.
Agree mostly. Radiant Historia is a pretty good game and mostly solid, but the pacing is a bit rough at the beginning. Cannot speak for the remake, changing the main character's design is an immediate ticket to the trash can in my book. I would consider Radiant Historia a great second-tier JRPG. The timeline feature is pretty neat and the way it encourages replayability without having to start a whole new game is kind of neat. You can "fail" to see the bad end and then revert back to the nearest time node to try again as opposed to having to start all over again.

Time travel plots only work if the entire story is built around time travel from the start.
Definitely this. And even then it is hard to pull off.

LOOKING AT YOU HALF-LIFE.
 
Agree mostly. Radiant Historia is a pretty good game and mostly solid, but the pacing is a bit rough at the beginning. Cannot speak for the remake, changing the main character's design is an immediate ticket to the trash can in my book. I would consider Radiant Historia a great second-tier JRPG. The timeline feature is pretty neat and the way it encourages replayability without having to start a whole new game is kind of neat. You can "fail" to see the bad end and then revert back to the nearest time node to try again as opposed to having to start all over again.


Definitely this. And even then it is hard to pull off.

LOOKING AT YOU HALF-LIFE.

I think you can get DLC for the original artwork in the remake (You can easily get it free online and slap it onto your 3DS if it's homebrewed)
 
Agree mostly. Radiant Historia is a pretty good game and mostly solid, but the pacing is a bit rough at the beginning. Cannot speak for the remake, changing the main character's design is an immediate ticket to the trash can in my book. I would consider Radiant Historia a great second-tier JRPG. The timeline feature is pretty neat and the way it encourages replayability without having to start a whole new game is kind of neat. You can "fail" to see the bad end and then revert back to the nearest time node to try again as opposed to having to start all over again.


Definitely this. And even then it is hard to pull off.

LOOKING AT YOU HALF-LIFE.
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