The Final Fantasy Thread

Zeke Von Genbu said:
On the topic of memorable FF protagonists, I find Ramza from Tactics to be very memorable. Not so much because he is unique as Ramza is a fairly typical noble hearted virtuous good boy hero character, but because he in some ways succeeds and fails at the same time despite following a lot of the usual story beats you'd expect from his sort of protagonist.

When you put it all together, Ramza gets fucking nothing but personal satisfaction that he did the right thing while in contrast his foil in Delita gets effectively everything despite him doing so many bad things to get there while doing little to handle the coming disaster. As without Ramza, Delita's rise to power would have probably gone up in flames by what Ramza put a stop to. It feels so unfair and not really the super typical heroic ending where Ramza would get the girl, get his honor back despite everything, and everyone praises him as the Hero of Ivalice or some generic title like that. Ramza is considered a traitor and a heretic, his house is dead by his own actions as his last name is forever ruined, he left behind everything he had, and all his good actions are erased from common place history with only one man knowing the truth.

Delita gets everything he materially wanted and to me ends up miserable anyway regardless of all his efforts to get past his original misery, while Ramza gets nothing but at best personal satisfaction. If he properly foils Delita and we follow his personality then I believed it is implied that Ramza feels satisfied and content despite it all. I think that idea fits with this type of character and embodies the idea that knowing you did the right thing is its own inherent reward, as in a way we all have to live with ourselves in the end. Delita may be an asshole, but I don't think he is sociopathic or narcissitic enough to feel he had done a good job by the end. Ramza not being rewarded for his efforts like Delita was feels more in-line with the virtues he genuinely cares about.

Delita's final line asking "Ramza...what did you get?" or "Did you get your end in all of this, Ramza?" depending on the translation is just such a great way to cap off Ramza's character.
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So I was always a bit confused by that ending scene. What happened between him and the princess exactly, and why?

The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
Well, Tidus was memorable, for all the wrong reasons (HAHAHAHA).
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It's disappointing that so many people completely miss the point of the laughing scene.
 
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SSj_Ness said:
It's disappointing that so many people completely miss the point of the laughing scene.
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Yea, people give James Arnold Taylor shit for the laughing scene, calling it "bad voice acting" when he was literally directed to laugh loud awfully. If they bothered playing the rest of FFX, he giggles and laughs through pretty realistically.
 
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They said there would be stuff for FFXVI and Rebirth at TGS. Looks like that wasn’t true. Squeenix seems to think artwork for FFXVI is “news”.
 
SSj_Ness said:
To be fair, even Final Fantasy itself jumped on the meme bandwagon, sort of like Dragon Ball did with Yamcha:

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That's completely different, the problem is the people who are too dense to realize the laughing is intentionally awkward. Like yes, of course it's funny, but you're not very bright if you're legitimately mocking it and consider it bad voice acting.
 
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Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed said:
Yea, people give James Arnold Taylor shit for the laughing scene, calling it "bad voice acting" when he was literally directed to laugh loud awfully. If they bothered playing the rest of FFX, he giggles and laughs through pretty realistically.
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It's just one of those memes!

Along with...
1. The characters in FF2 have no personality traits-- they really do, they're just flat characters.
2. Refia isn't really hot and cute-- how can the fans live with themselves!
3. Tellah and Galuf are the best deaths because they take place during gameplay-- it's nifty but no, death scenes existed before gameplay ever did so it's not what really matters.
4. Kefka is a nihilist-- he's more of an absurdist but I guess that's quibbling.
5. Aeris gets kidnapped all the time and is just there to die-- gets kidnapped once, because she helps you out. Is easily the most proactive character beside Sephiroth and Cloud.
6. Squall is emo-- Even in the Western script he isn't emo. That word just became popular around the same time.
7. IX is super underrated-- outsold every Nintendo era game by a lot, has people desperately singing its praises online, and soon an anime.
8. XII is bad and boring-- most interesting world and side content by far, the series would be better if its lessons were adopted going forward.
9. XIII gets better in its sequels-- this is just down to subjective tastes. Each installment trades its drawbacks in for new ones.

And after this I stopped playing. Feel free to add more.

James Arnold Taylor laughing normally throughout the game as Tidus is a pretty common story. Final Fantasy fans focus too much on particular cutscenes over the complete experience those cutscenes are just one part of.
 
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Berrakh said:
9. XIII gets better in its sequels-- this is just down to subjective tastes. Each installment trades its drawbacks in for new ones.
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13's plot was always very interesting., but the gameplay turned me off. 13-2 had the cardinal sin of not making Snow the main character and he was replaced with a shitty Raiden tier character. Otherwise the lore and plot is surprisingly good, aside from some translation issues in 13-3.
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
Was there a FF game that had better summons than 10? With the exception of the bug sisters, every summon in 10 is fucking amazing visually and design wise.
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I prefer 7's roster, but agree that they're very good.

I take offense to Bahamut though. He looks great but it's the start of him being overdesigned as hell.
 
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Was there a FF game that had better summons than 10? With the exception of the bug sisters, every summon in 10 is fucking amazing visually and design wise.
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The games after FFX kinda suck, and the ones prior were on much weaker hardware so FFX kind of wins by default, but they're definitely amazing.

FFVIII had fantastic summons too for the time, they were visually very impressive and well designed. So, if taking an "at the time" perspective into account, an argument could be made for FFVIII having the best ones. I wouldn't make the argument but I could see it.
 
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Michael Wade said:
13's plot was always very interesting., but the gameplay turned me off. 13-2 had the cardinal sin of not making Snow the main character and he was replaced with a shitty Raiden tier character. Otherwise the lore and plot is surprisingly good, aside from some translation issues in 13-3.
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The gameplay is personally what makes me like XIII. (Which I think they fucked up with lightning returns)
 
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