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I've never played BD. Is it a straight-up turn-based jrpg or is there more to it?
 
I've never played BD. Is it a straight-up turn-based jrpg or is there more to it?
It's a turn-based JRPG, but it has the added twist of the Brave Point and Default system. Think Default as guarding in other games, but for every Default you do, you get an extra Brave Point, which in turn allows you to perform more actions during a turn. For example, I can have my healer Default and then use the extra Brave Point to cast heal magic and deal damage within the same turn. You can also expend a Brave Point to perform an extra move if you don't have any extra, but the trade-off is that you lose your next turn. You can keep upwards of 5 Brave Points, and you don't necessarily have to use all of them at once. It's best to stock up on them during more intense fights in case things start going south.

It's a neat system all things considered. Has plenty of room for strategizing and incentivizes guarding, which is fairly useless in the majority of turn-based JRPGs.
 
Bravely Default was the first and last game I got for the 3DS. Alas, the 3DS was the first Nintendo portable system that assumed that you were going to have it connected to the internet all the time so it could download firmware updates that were of negative use to you but of great use to Nintendo since they could be used to punish you for hacking the system by bricking it. Fuck that bullshit. I tried playing it anyway, but it was actually really dull at the start of the game and I didn't feel like trying to go further. In particular I remember that the boss fight to get the first asterisk was quite boring because you couldn't really do anything interesting yet, and it dragged on and on because the boss had a ton of HP.
 
The only good part of Ever Crisis is that Before Crisis is translated officially and that advent children MIGHT be more bearable as a video game
As for intergrade, glad they made a turn based mode but I'll wait for the PC port in a year just like what happened to 15 on steam. I'm just surprised to see how much blood they keep squeezing from FF7's mutilated corpse. Fuck, the 13 trilogy and everything associated with it (especially 15) was just the spirits within 2 for operating costs wasn't it?
iirc Before Crisis was pretty portentous because they started retconning the story right away. Cloud is trying to get to Midgar to meet Tifa (whom he didn't know was there at all) because he made a promise (that he completely forgot in the game until reminded) and forgetting that he was an invalid when he left Zack.
 
I've never played BD. Is it a straight-up turn-based jrpg or is there more to it?
It's a turn-based JRPG, but it has the added twist of the Brave Point and Default system. Think Default as guarding in other games, but for every Default you do, you get an extra Brave Point, which in turn allows you to perform more actions during a turn. For example, I can have my healer Default and then use the extra Brave Point to cast heal magic and deal damage within the same turn. You can also expend a Brave Point to perform an extra move if you don't have any extra, but the trade-off is that you lose your next turn. You can keep upwards of 5 Brave Points, and you don't necessarily have to use all of them at once. It's best to stock up on them during more intense fights in case things start going south.

It's a neat system all things considered. Has plenty of room for strategizing and incentivizes guarding, which is fairly useless in the majority of turn-based JRPGs.
It’s also pretty damn hard. There’s quite a bit of grinding involved so don’t be surprised if you get stonewalled a few times throughout.

Well, unless you use stuff like Bravely Second which is one of the online features that basically gives you free turns once a day.

Hate that sort of shit though and never used it.
 
It’s also pretty damn hard. There’s quite a bit of grinding involved so don’t be surprised if you get stonewalled a few times throughout.
I never had much of a time grinding with it, though the game was indeed shit. The "hardest" part was the trick bosses that forced you to learn their gimmick.

The worst part was where the game's twist [worthless spoilers incoming] makes you play the fucking thing twice because they ran out ideas. Unless you don't want to play it twice, in which case you still get a shitty result and wasted your time playing a shitty game.

Bravely Default was the first and last game I got for the 3DS. Alas, the 3DS was the first Nintendo portable system that assumed that you were going to have it connected to the internet all the time so it could download firmware updates that were of negative use to you but of great use to Nintendo since they could be used to punish you for hacking the system by bricking it. Fuck that bullshit. I tried playing it anyway, but it was actually really dull at the start of the game and I didn't feel like trying to go further. In particular I remember that the boss fight to get the first asterisk was quite boring because you couldn't really do anything interesting yet, and it dragged on and on because the boss had a ton of HP.
I don't even know where to fucking start with you. Update your system, ditch the faggot homebrew (or buy another system on the cheap and homebrew that you poorfag slug) and enjoy one of the best systems every released with hands-down the best library ever. Fucking hell, man.
 
I was thinking that maybe the reason FFVII was so good was because of its place in the series. Basically, as FF went on, it gradually got more and more strange. 7 was just weird enough to not be another "Hero paladin fights demon/dragon" kind of fantasy story, while not being so weird as to be utterly formless. *cough* Final Fantasy 8 *cough*
 
I was thinking that maybe the reason FFVII was so good was because of its place in the series. Basically, as FF went on, it gradually got more and more strange. 7 was just weird enough to not be another "Hero paladin fights demon/dragon" kind of fantasy story, while not being so weird as to be utterly formless. *cough* Final Fantasy 8 *cough*
The dystopian fantasy elements probably helped it’s succesd in the west and the fact it was packaged with most ps1 consoles give it a better distribution.
 
I was thinking that maybe the reason FFVII was so good was because of its place in the series. Basically, as FF went on, it gradually got more and more strange. 7 was just weird enough to not be another "Hero paladin fights demon/dragon" kind of fantasy story, while not being so weird as to be utterly formless. *cough* Final Fantasy 8 *cough*
The dystopian fantasy elements probably helped it’s succesd in the west and the fact it was packaged with most ps1 consoles give it a better distribution.
It was likely the graphics and an expanding player-base that sold it then; because Final Fantasy VI more or less did all of the same things and did them better.
 
At 8:41pm my FF7 remake download was all like
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But then at 9:43pm it was all like
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So it jumped from 11 hours left which was bad enough to 12, I need better bloody internet.
 
At 8:41pm my FF7 remake download was all like
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But then at 9:43pm it was all like
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So it jumped from 11 hours left which was bad enough to 12, I need better bloody internet.
If I may make a suggestion, it might depend on your PS4's location. My initial spot got virtually no Internet connection despite the fact it's right next to my PC, and my other systems got way better Internet connection (I would unplug my PS4 and plug in my PS3 and get way faster connection speeds which is insane that an older system can be in the same spot and get better Internet). Eventually I moved my PS4 to another room and ended up with much faster Internet, probably because the room I moved it to is right above the one with the Wi-Fi modem.

If you're able to, try to see if moving your PS4 affects its connection, because it certainly did mine.
 
I was thinking that maybe the reason FFVII was so good was because of its place in the series. Basically, as FF went on, it gradually got more and more strange. 7 was just weird enough to not be another "Hero paladin fights demon/dragon" kind of fantasy story, while not being so weird as to be utterly formless. *cough* Final Fantasy 8 *cough*
it definitely benefitted from context

The dystopian fantasy elements probably helped it’s succesd in the west and the fact it was packaged with most ps1 consoles give it a better distribution.
successfully distributed =/= good
There are a lot of launch and packaged titlles less well reviewed.
 
It was likely the graphics and an expanding player-base that sold it then; because Final Fantasy VI more or less did all of the same things and did them better.
Aye, one should never discount the graphic factor. In 1997, what FFVII did was exceptional. It's hard to overstate how impressive it is to see those primitive 3D graphics for the first time, especially if you have not owned a current-gen PC then, which was fairly common in those days (the whole $3000 for a gaming PC probably came from that era, to be honest).
 
Aye, one should never discount the graphic factor. In 1997, what FFVII did was exceptional. It's hard to overstate how impressive it is to see those primitive 3D graphics for the first time, especially if you have not owned a current-gen PC then, which was fairly common in those days (the whole $3000 for a gaming PC probably came from that era, to be honest).
And yet they still look like a shitload of fuck compared to glorious SNES perfection.

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Don't post the later 2d ones, you should post the first Final Fantasy for a more equal comparison since that was the first 2D game and 7 was the first 3d.View attachment 1964560View attachment 1964561
Final Fantasy VII isn't a wholesale ripoff of Final Fantasy I, it is a wholesale ripoff of Final Fantasy VI. So you analogue is inaccurate as per the specifics of my argument.

In closing, to quote Kefka: I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate you!
 
Final Fantasy VII isn't a wholesale ripoff of Final Fantasy I, it is a wholesale ripoff of Final Fantasy VI. So you analogue is inaccurate as per the specifics of my argument.

In closing, to quote Kefka: I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate you!
It has nothing to do with story content, it's got everything to do with technical prowess. You posted the sprites of Final Fantasy 6 which at that point they became quite good at making the sprites, however Final Fantasy 1 and 2 were fully remastered on the PS1 and had their sprites boosted well beyond was 6 was capable of, including adding lighting and ground effects to the sprites. Final Fantasy Origins was the artistic peak of the 2d games. 7 was when they first started working with 3d and figuring it out, much like how Final Fantasy 1 was them figuring out how 2D games can work.
 
It has nothing to do with story content, it's got everything to do with technical prowess. You posted the sprites of Final Fantasy 6 which at that point they became quite good at making the sprites, however Final Fantasy 1 and 2 were fully remastered on the PS1 and had their sprites boosted well beyond was 6 was capable of, including adding lighting and ground effects to the sprites. Final Fantasy Origins was the artistic peak of the 2d games. 7 was when they first started working with 3d and figuring it out, much like how Final Fantasy 1 was them figuring out how 2D games can work.
That's wrong though because that's not my argument. I'm talking about Final Fantasy VII being a wholesale reimagining of Final Fantasy VI and posting a meme picture of Cloud in a wheelchair to illustrate how crippled the overall experience was compared to the great games of the previous generation and how the Final Fantasy series' descent into mediocrity started to gain momentum. Final Fantasy VII is a great game because it pulls most of its themes and scenario from a better game and everything after it (with the exception of Final Fantasy IX) is utter trash boat nonsense.
 
I haven't played any of the newer ones - I think that some of the more notable, older ones (like FF7) had a lot of good qualities for their day and age, but didn't age very well.

Also, I think it would have been better if there was some overarching continuity between games, rather than most games just being a completely unrelated plot from the others.
 
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