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Much like with the FBI's report on the handling of the Clinton Email investigation, I don't care what the mainstream outlets will have to say about the FISA Report. This report is over 400 pages long and not a word of it leaked to the press ahead of time, and on top of that they're all window-licking idiots so I couldn't give half of a rat's ass what they have to say about it. I'm sure that at some point one of them will manage to push out a good article about it, but I want this thread to be a repository and a page-by-page examination of the report and its contents independent from journalistic vomit.

If you need a primer on what exactly FISA surveillance even means, there's an excellent primer for it over here, and the same author also wrote a long article concerning the oddities in Carter Page's FISA warrant over here. In the event that you're just curious about how we got to this point or want an overall history of the entire debacle, there's a summary for all of that over here.

The gist of it is that FISA Title I and Title III surveillance require there be probable cause to believe the proposed target is a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power. They're explicitly designed for foreign spies. These warrants are not supposed to be used against U.S. citizens without a goddamned good reason, and yet that's exactly what happened, and it happened multiple times. It also conveniently just happened to be people in Trump's campaign that were campaign managers who got hit with these FISA warrants, meaning that because of the Three-Hop Rule, the Obama administration was essentially given free reign to spy on literally everyone in Trump's campaign, including Trump himself.

If you were wondering why Horowitz' investigation had to dip so far back to the point where it completely predated all of the Russiagate crap then congratulations, you're asking yourself a smart question. It all had to be rewound to the very beginning because at the very start of this, the entire Trump-Russia collusion narrative was predicated on a hoax, and then everything that came after that hoax just piled onto the lies. Every breathless second the media screamed about Russian collusion, every politician screaming about impeaching "Trump, the Russian Asset", all of it was built on top of this one, original lie, and without it the entire house of cards just falls to pieces.

The reason that Horowitz dug all the way back into the FISA warrants is because one man proved beyond any shadow of any doubt that these warrants could not have been obtained legally. Mueller's Special Counsel proved beyond a doubt that the entire Trump-Russia collusion story was nothing more than a wild conspiracy theory. There has never been evidence put forward to prove that a word of it was real, and because of that, there clearly was not probable cause to allow for FISA warrants to be obtained against Trump campaign members. Despite what so many people were expecting Mueller to do, the only thing that Mueller's S.C. succeeded at doing was stripping away the cover story for the spying on the Trump campaign.

Whether or not that was intentional is anyone's guess and you're likely never going to be able to prove the Mueller "White hat/Black hat" theory one way or the other anyways, so it's a bit of a moot point. The fact remains that at the very end of his investigation, it was proven that there was no definitive evidence or probable cause to assume that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia. Now you know why it was Rod Rosenstein's job to give these frantic, desperate bloodhounds the wider and ever-widening scope they kept asking of him. At the end of this, when Mueller himself was going to be forced to admit he couldn't find any evidence, it was game over for the Collusion Narrative.

Thank you, Robert Mueller.

The only real questions left are as to how the Steele Dossier (Remember that one? It's been awhile.) wound up being shoved ass-first into these FISA warrants even though the Steele Dossier was a remarkably flawed piece of opposition research, and how the FISA warrants were renewed four times in the absence of any legitimate evidence. I'm expecting to hear quite a bit about Rudolph Contreras and the FISC court somewhere in this report, because there were a lot of questions surrounding that whole mess that are in desperate need of an answer.

Either way, I don't want to write a preamble longer than the fucking report itself, so let's see how idiotic our government was with the FISA warrants.
 
because if they don't have their clearances then the OIG can't present them with relevant information for their interviews.
Stupid question, perhaps, but why?

Presumably they would have had the clearance to know it at the time, and it’s not like the MiB flashy things are real. Couldn’t they just essentially backdate their credentials?

Edit - ok, based on the reply, it sounds like it’s essentially working as a non-disclosure agreement, even if both sides WERE at one time clear to discuss ir.
 
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Oh so Captain Insurance Policy just happened to be the only person available to draft the opening EC for Crossfire Hurricane, huh? Everything had to be done right-just-now A.S.A.P. and he just so happened to be the only one available for the job. Dude also got a flurry of really convenient promotions just in time to put him in position for this investigation, too.

How lucky for them.
 
Stupid question, perhaps, but why?

Presumably they would have had the clearance to know it at the time, and it’s not like the MiB flashy things are real. Couldn’t they just essentially backdate their credentials?

So when you are certified to handle classified information there are things you can say and access. And rules on disclosure.
HOWEVER you cant willy nilly say things when your under a lack of status (as thats an entire different set of crimes)
 
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Oh so Captain Insurance Policy just happened to be the only person available to draft the opening EC for Crossfire Hurricane, huh? Everything had to be done right-just-now A.S.A.P. and he just so happened to be the only one available for the job. Dude also got a flurry of really convenient promotions just in time to put him in position for this investigation, too.

How lucky for them.

Laughs in Pesos...

Just a series of miracles that put these agents where they needed to be at the right time to do what they needed to do!

Hope someone is keeping an eye on Strzok because he's due for a Clincident or should we start calling them Obamacides?
 
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I know that a lot of the people who've been keeping up with this from day one have seen those text messages a thousand times over, but they still freak me out. For anyone uninitiated: This is the way that two of the lead investigators for the Trump-Russia investigation were talking about the person that they were tasked to investigate. These two people also wound up being on Mueller's Special Counsel.

The media likes to tell people that there was no bias influencing their decisions. Try to imagine a cop investigating you for a crime that you didn't commit, and then learning that this is how they're talking about you. How much confidence would you have in their investigation, following that?
 
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Oh so Captain Insurance Policy just happened to be the only person available to draft the opening EC for Crossfire Hurricane, huh? Everything had to be done right-just-now A.S.A.P. and he just so happened to be the only one available for the job. Dude also got a flurry of really convenient promotions just in time to put him in position for this investigation, too.

How lucky for them.
This is just like what happened in harry Potter!
 
I like your posts dude but have you ever considered that the system we have of electing Presidents is so fucking corrupt and incestuous that the reason they investigated Trump had nothing to do with Russia at all and it was all because the idea of an outsider being elected was so alien to them?

I think The Donald winning legit broke their little politician brains.
 
I like your posts dude but have you ever considered that the system we have of electing Presidents is so fucking corrupt and incestuous that the reason they investigated Trump had nothing to do with Russia at all and it was all because the idea of an outsider being elected was so alien to them?
No, I've never heard that theory before. You think that the entire body politic might be corrupt? Heavens, I am overcome with shook.
 
Then why did he even comment on bias if it's entirely outside the scope? It's like Meuller saying "well I didn't prove him NOT guilty of some stuff!"

Was Horowitz just throwing the Dems a bone so they can have their talking point?

He wasn't commenting on the bias, per se, but that parties within the investigation believed it was politically motivated. In other words, he wasn't saying there was a bias, just that people involved in the investigation believed there was. It's a subtle distinction, but one nonetheless.

Unless you're referring to another point in the report.
 
I like your posts dude but have you ever considered that the system we have of electing Presidents is so fucking corrupt and incestuous that the reason they investigated Trump had nothing to do with Russia at all and it was all because the idea of an outsider being elected was so alien to them?

I think The Donald winning legit broke their little politician brains.
What was it like to find out you've been in suspended animation since 2015 and have been revived 4 years later?
 
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That's a little fucking odd, don't you think? I can't say that I lend a lot of belief in what Comey's saying here, but even if he's telling the truth isn't it a bit strange that after belting out, "Four people in Trump's campaign are working for Russia." Literally no one at the table has a response or a single question?
 
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I know that a lot of the people who've been keeping up with this from day one have seen those text messages a thousand times over, but they still freak me out. For anyone uninitiated: This is the way that two of the lead investigators for the Trump-Russia investigation were talking about the person that they were tasked to investigate. These two people also wound up being on Mueller's Special Counsel.

The media likes to tell people that there was no bias influencing their decisions. Try to imagine a cop investigating you for a crime that you didn't commit, and then learning that this is how they're talking about you. How much confidence would you have in their investigation, following that?
Lisa Page: "Trump's not ever going to become president, right? Right!?"

Strzok: "No. No he's not. We'll stop it."

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Never gets old.
 
Jumping way ahead to Chapter 9 (page 268, PDF page 306) for efficiency and since that's the Ohr+Steele stuff, and I think it'll be funny (hopefully both 'haha!'-funny and '🤔'-funny.)

Page 269 (PDF page 307):
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Nice to see they've got their story straight! Of course, Steele doesn't recall meeting Ohr in 2007 for lunch, which means that the conversation about Russian organized crime never happened, right?

Page 270 (PDF page 308):
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That Simpson interview seems like it would've been pretty interesting. It's a shame he declined. Also Ohr apparently talks to everyone he meets about the "Russian menace".

Continued on page 271 (PDF page 309):
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Simpson really wants nothing to do with the glowies.

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Page 272 (PDF page 310):
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So Nellie, who claims that Ohr and Steele were just "professional associates" that were "friendly, but not friends" (quoted from p. 271 of the FISA report), was sure they were just meeting to have brunch. And claims that Steele was the one who brought up the Russia stuff, and not her husband who is infamous for bringing up Russian stuff at every chance he gets.

Also page 272 (PDF page 310):
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Ohr, if you didn't want Steele to talk about Russian stuff with your wife around, then why did you ask him what (you knew) he was working on over brunch? Also, even Ohr could tell that Steele's info was probably paid for by Clinton money.
 
Redacted information in this report is likely because it's still part of an ongoing investigation. Durham and Barr have both said that even with the release of this FISA report, their investigations aren't finished, yet.

OR it's information related to investigative techniques.

If the Democratic Party was smart and long-term, they would simply let Trump be the idiot they portray him to be and let him fuck up in his own devices. I am not politically sound, but it looks to me that they are deliberately making stuff up into overdrive in the hopes he would just admit to whatever investigation they lay on him.

OR, Trump is so cunning, he has more than one tie to whatever political or financial influence, they're missing one crucial detail to really drive it home. It seems to me that even with all the media presence and public dislike towards Trump, it'd be easy to impeach the guy and move on. It was easy for him to be put on the ballot.

This is such a convoluted mess, I can't wrap my head on how through this is, yet it is leading nowhere. All they are doing is hurting themselves and giving Trump re-election. Is that what they want?

Silent majority still supports the God Emperor. DNC needs to scream and invent things in order to (superficially) justify the media screaming in order to flip public opinion.

They can't remove him from office by fiat, which is what they're trying to do, without considerable backlash and likely violence. But, if they can swing popular opinion against our Lord and Savior, then either a) they can remove him from office simply for the crime of opposing the forces of chaos winning without people getting upset or b) keep the narrative running long enough to influence the public into voting Uncle Donny out of office in November.

If both of those fail, they'll have to JFK him the first time he steps outdoors in December 2020.
 
Silent majority still supports the God Emperor. DNC needs to scream and invent things in order to (superficially) justify the media screaming in order to flip public opinion.

They can't remove him from office by fiat, which is what they're trying to do, without considerable backlash and likely violence. But, if they can swing popular opinion against our Lord and Savior, then either a) they can remove him from office simply for the crime of opposing the forces of chaos winning without people getting upset or b) keep the narrative running long enough to influence the public into voting Uncle Donny out of office in November.

If both of those fail, they'll have to JFK him the first time he steps outdoors in December 2020.
they can't do that for a simple reason. after this shit show, everyone will suspect it... and they will get jumped when it does happen.
further, if it did happen, people would blame the democrats for invoking/inviting such a politically-motivated violent action and essentially lay the blame for future mass shootings/tragedies at their feet and give them little recourse to counter it.

essentially, the democrats now have no winning moves. trump dies, he's immortalized and the democrats are forever stained as tyrants that hate democracy and love communism, trump lives and his election is guaranteed. their only hope is that republicans flip on him in the senate..... but even then, impeachment =/= prosecution. he can rerun and any potential criminal trial will be easy to beat.

there is no hope for them. they've lost. wholly and completely.
 
So right out of the gate they're laying out the Steele Dossier as being the only form of evidence that was procured for the launch of Crossfire Hurricane. They're not saying it outright, but that's the only bit of information I can think of off the top of my head that would apply in that paragraph, and then they go on to make sure that everyone understands that there needs to be an actual, legitimate purpose associated with the investigation.

So I am trying to make sure I understand this.

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The Information from a friendly foreign government is the PeePee Report? and the very bottom was Steele's direct reporting to Ohr?
 
I like your posts dude but have you ever considered that the system we have of electing Presidents is so fucking corrupt and incestuous that the reason they investigated Trump had nothing to do with Russia at all and it was all because the idea of an outsider being elected was so alien to them?

I think The Donald winning legit broke their little politician brains.

Doesn't matter that he was an "outsider". What matters is that he has "fuck you" money and can't be controlled. His election disrupted globalist objectives. Just consider the number of conservative or right-wing political leaders other countries have elected following Trump. Then remember how most of those countries have pushed out Soros funded organizations, and the amount of upset this has caused in the media.

Also, if they take out Trump, they get President Mike "Like in the Crapper, get the Zapper" Pence. I don't think they want that.

Most conservatives don't want Pence, either. Unlike in previous generations, I don't think him stepping up to the plate after the God Emperor ascends to the Golden casket Trump were assassinated would make Pence a bulletproof hero. There'd be a period of mourning in which nothing got done, then Pence would take office with the usual pomp, slowing down government further. Then he'd lose the House and the Senate in midterms. At that point, the Dems and the deep state are back in control regardless of whether Pence stays in office or not. It would be better for them if he were voted out in 2024, but it wouldn't matter that much.

Either they get to do what they want, or Pence would shut everything down and do everything through Executive Order like Obama after the tea party seized power in 2010, which would slow them down but it wouldn't be a big deal. With public support high for the Dems again, they'd retake the presidency after Pence and, following Trump's example, just tear down all of Pence's EOs and go back to business.
 
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