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Much like with the FBI's report on the handling of the Clinton Email investigation, I don't care what the mainstream outlets will have to say about the FISA Report. This report is over 400 pages long and not a word of it leaked to the press ahead of time, and on top of that they're all window-licking idiots so I couldn't give half of a rat's ass what they have to say about it. I'm sure that at some point one of them will manage to push out a good article about it, but I want this thread to be a repository and a page-by-page examination of the report and its contents independent from journalistic vomit.

If you need a primer on what exactly FISA surveillance even means, there's an excellent primer for it over here, and the same author also wrote a long article concerning the oddities in Carter Page's FISA warrant over here. In the event that you're just curious about how we got to this point or want an overall history of the entire debacle, there's a summary for all of that over here.

The gist of it is that FISA Title I and Title III surveillance require there be probable cause to believe the proposed target is a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power. They're explicitly designed for foreign spies. These warrants are not supposed to be used against U.S. citizens without a goddamned good reason, and yet that's exactly what happened, and it happened multiple times. It also conveniently just happened to be people in Trump's campaign that were campaign managers who got hit with these FISA warrants, meaning that because of the Three-Hop Rule, the Obama administration was essentially given free reign to spy on literally everyone in Trump's campaign, including Trump himself.

If you were wondering why Horowitz' investigation had to dip so far back to the point where it completely predated all of the Russiagate crap then congratulations, you're asking yourself a smart question. It all had to be rewound to the very beginning because at the very start of this, the entire Trump-Russia collusion narrative was predicated on a hoax, and then everything that came after that hoax just piled onto the lies. Every breathless second the media screamed about Russian collusion, every politician screaming about impeaching "Trump, the Russian Asset", all of it was built on top of this one, original lie, and without it the entire house of cards just falls to pieces.

The reason that Horowitz dug all the way back into the FISA warrants is because one man proved beyond any shadow of any doubt that these warrants could not have been obtained legally. Mueller's Special Counsel proved beyond a doubt that the entire Trump-Russia collusion story was nothing more than a wild conspiracy theory. There has never been evidence put forward to prove that a word of it was real, and because of that, there clearly was not probable cause to allow for FISA warrants to be obtained against Trump campaign members. Despite what so many people were expecting Mueller to do, the only thing that Mueller's S.C. succeeded at doing was stripping away the cover story for the spying on the Trump campaign.

Whether or not that was intentional is anyone's guess and you're likely never going to be able to prove the Mueller "White hat/Black hat" theory one way or the other anyways, so it's a bit of a moot point. The fact remains that at the very end of his investigation, it was proven that there was no definitive evidence or probable cause to assume that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia. Now you know why it was Rod Rosenstein's job to give these frantic, desperate bloodhounds the wider and ever-widening scope they kept asking of him. At the end of this, when Mueller himself was going to be forced to admit he couldn't find any evidence, it was game over for the Collusion Narrative.

Thank you, Robert Mueller.

The only real questions left are as to how the Steele Dossier (Remember that one? It's been awhile.) wound up being shoved ass-first into these FISA warrants even though the Steele Dossier was a remarkably flawed piece of opposition research, and how the FISA warrants were renewed four times in the absence of any legitimate evidence. I'm expecting to hear quite a bit about Rudolph Contreras and the FISC court somewhere in this report, because there were a lot of questions surrounding that whole mess that are in desperate need of an answer.

Either way, I don't want to write a preamble longer than the fucking report itself, so let's see how idiotic our government was with the FISA warrants.
 
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Ohr is an idiot. Also, nobody seems to remember anything about anything is one of my main takeaways from this report so far.

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Maybe these guys should invest in a pad and pencil to write some of this shit down as it happens, instead of just forgetting it all later. (And Simpson flat out lied in his Nov 2017 testimony, since he emailed and met with Ohr in August 2016 (p. 274 of the FISA report)).

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Ohr is an idiot, and he's wrong about both the FBI director immunity and the Hatch Act. Also, he should really get his memory checked at this point.
 
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"I can't possibly be biased against Trump, I gifted one of them a tartan, once!"

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so is this guy admitting he's incapable of nuance? and he's in charge? wtf is wrong with our government!?
people say trump makes us a laughingstock... after this report, fuck no. because this problem seems to have existed... hell, i'd say long before bush.
 
Also, if they take out Trump, they get President Mike "Like in the Crapper, get the Zapper" Pence. I don't think they want that.
Oh no, they've convinced themselves that taking down Trump will also let them take down Pence and install Pelosi as president, who will then graciously step aside for Her Majesty.
 
they can't do that for a simple reason. after this shit show, everyone will suspect it... and they will get jumped when it does happen.
further, if it did happen, people would blame the democrats for invoking/inviting such a politically-motivated violent action and essentially lay the blame for future mass shootings/tragedies at their feet and give them little recourse to counter it.

essentially, the democrats now have no winning moves. trump dies, he's immortalized and the democrats are forever stained as tyrants that hate democracy and love communism, trump lives and his election is guaranteed. their only hope is that republicans flip on him in the senate..... but even then, impeachment =/= prosecution. he can rerun and any potential criminal trial will be easy to beat.

there is no hope for them. they've lost. wholly and completely.

Suspecting is one thing. Proving is another. And without a shooter (since that person would likely be killed shortly after), the public won't care.
 
Suspecting is one thing. Proving is another. And without a shooter (since that person would likely be killed shortly after), the public won't care.
the salem witch trials would like a word on why that is not the case, not at all.
and if you seriously think we've evolved past that, I point no further than the current affairs.

note: I want to note that I don't think this is a good thing. In a rational world, while it'd suck that illegal measures would need to be taken to prove the democrats (or god forbid the republicans) guilt I'd accept it. however, the recent facade has proven humanity is still stuck in the dark ages in terms of societal behavior, just with some window dressing and tech.
 
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Yeah, why bother verifying whether or not anything about what Steele was saying was accurate. That's not important. This is much funnier deeper into the report. Skip to page 188 of the actual file (not PDF page) if you want a sneak peak as to why this is absolute bullshit.
 
the salem witch trials would like a word on why that is not the case, not at all.
and if you seriously think we've evolved past that, I point no further than the current affairs.

People are inherently lazy. Without something to prompt them, they won't get up in arms.

That's why the left relied so heavily on "Russia", even AFTER the Mueller Report, until they could construct another narrative whole cloth.

We'd be inundated with articles like "Someone just killed a President, and this is why that's okay" and nothing would happen unless someone was brought to justice.
 
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And social media is blowing up about it having been Ivanka, with one of the best takes being that she blew him off romantically, and the Steele Dossier was retaliation.

Suspecting is one thing. Proving is another. And without a shooter (since that person would likely be killed shortly after), the public won't care.

The prosecution submits "Las Vegas Shooting" as 'exhibit A', and the entire lack of motive discovered since it's occurrence.
 
And social media is blowing up about it having been Ivanka, with one of the best takes being that she blew him off romantically, and the Steele Dossier was retaliation.



The prosecution submits "Las Vegas Shooting" as 'exhibit A', and the entire lack of motive discovered since it's occurrence.

Or public apathy about who else was involved in Epstein's human trafficking ring.
 
Honestly, who cares about these underlings like McCabe, Ohr and Strzuck. Sure, its nice to be able to have this evidence and be able to go "look at these corrupt fuckers!" But its unlikely that any actual charges will be brought against them for this -- the OIG Report will just be used to support their firings.

All that matters is this OIG Report conclusively establishes that John Brennan is turbofucked for lying to Congress, if Barr or Durham bring charges against him. There's going to be a collective pucker moment in DC if Barry-O's former CIA Director is convicted.
 
So I am trying to make sure I understand this.

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The Information from a friendly foreign government is the PeePee Report? and the very bottom was Steele's direct reporting to Ohr?

The """Friendly Foreign Government""" would have to be Australian glow-in-the-dark aligned cocksucker Alexander Downer. This guy was a part of the scheme with Josef Mifsud and Stefan Halper to get somebody to repeat that they had heard the Russians had the goods on the DNC hack after putting that worm into their ear. But they were already trying to infiltrate the campaign, because Stefan Halper himself had been rejected from joining the Trump campaign, so he had to start trying to worm tendrils in through other means, and they ended up setting up George Papadopoulos as a patsy. This was all already ongoing, so to describe this date as the start of the investigation simply cannot be true, because it does not comport with the reality of all of the spooks that were already haunting the campaign.
 
The """Friendly Foreign Government""" would have to be Australian glow-in-the-dark aligned cocksucker Alexander Downer. This guy was a part of the scheme with Josef Mifsud and Stefan Halper to get somebody to repeat that they had heard the Russians had the goods on the DNC hack after putting that worm into their ear. But they were already trying to infiltrate the campaign, because Stefan Halper himself had been rejected from joining the Trump campaign, so he had to start trying to worm tendrils in through other means, and they ended up setting up George Papadopoulos as a patsy. This was all already ongoing, so to describe this date as the start of the investigation simply cannot be true, because it does not comport with the reality of all of the spooks that were already haunting the campaign.

But if the investigation pre-dates the PeePee Report then how did it get started?
 
If the Democratic Party was smart and long-term, they would simply let Trump be the idiot they portray him to be and let him fuck up in his own devices. I am not politically sound, but it looks to me that they are deliberately making stuff up into overdrive in the hopes he would just admit to whatever investigation they lay on him.

OR, Trump is so cunning, he has more than one tie to whatever political or financial influence, they're missing one crucial detail to really drive it home. It seems to me that even with all the media presence and public dislike towards Trump, it'd be easy to impeach the guy and move on. It was easy for him to be put on the ballot.

This is such a convoluted mess, I can't wrap my head on how through this is, yet it is leading nowhere. All they are doing is hurting themselves and giving Trump re-election. Is that what they want?
If the DNC were smart they never would have pushed Trump to run - remember, they did everything they could to make him the Republican front runner because they thought it would ensure the ascent of Queen Hillary.
 
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Starting to sound awfully familiar, isn't it? All second-hand information passed down through another source who acquired it from another source who heard that Samantha said that Bob said that... I especially love how instead of actually bothering to properly verify any of the information, the OI Attorney took it upon himself to just assume that these sub-sources themselves were perfectly fine and rubber stamped it, regardless of whether or not their third-hand information was even accurate.
 
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