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Much like with the FBI's report on the handling of the Clinton Email investigation, I don't care what the mainstream outlets will have to say about the FISA Report. This report is over 400 pages long and not a word of it leaked to the press ahead of time, and on top of that they're all window-licking idiots so I couldn't give half of a rat's ass what they have to say about it. I'm sure that at some point one of them will manage to push out a good article about it, but I want this thread to be a repository and a page-by-page examination of the report and its contents independent from journalistic vomit.

If you need a primer on what exactly FISA surveillance even means, there's an excellent primer for it over here, and the same author also wrote a long article concerning the oddities in Carter Page's FISA warrant over here. In the event that you're just curious about how we got to this point or want an overall history of the entire debacle, there's a summary for all of that over here.

The gist of it is that FISA Title I and Title III surveillance require there be probable cause to believe the proposed target is a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power. They're explicitly designed for foreign spies. These warrants are not supposed to be used against U.S. citizens without a goddamned good reason, and yet that's exactly what happened, and it happened multiple times. It also conveniently just happened to be people in Trump's campaign that were campaign managers who got hit with these FISA warrants, meaning that because of the Three-Hop Rule, the Obama administration was essentially given free reign to spy on literally everyone in Trump's campaign, including Trump himself.

If you were wondering why Horowitz' investigation had to dip so far back to the point where it completely predated all of the Russiagate crap then congratulations, you're asking yourself a smart question. It all had to be rewound to the very beginning because at the very start of this, the entire Trump-Russia collusion narrative was predicated on a hoax, and then everything that came after that hoax just piled onto the lies. Every breathless second the media screamed about Russian collusion, every politician screaming about impeaching "Trump, the Russian Asset", all of it was built on top of this one, original lie, and without it the entire house of cards just falls to pieces.

The reason that Horowitz dug all the way back into the FISA warrants is because one man proved beyond any shadow of any doubt that these warrants could not have been obtained legally. Mueller's Special Counsel proved beyond a doubt that the entire Trump-Russia collusion story was nothing more than a wild conspiracy theory. There has never been evidence put forward to prove that a word of it was real, and because of that, there clearly was not probable cause to allow for FISA warrants to be obtained against Trump campaign members. Despite what so many people were expecting Mueller to do, the only thing that Mueller's S.C. succeeded at doing was stripping away the cover story for the spying on the Trump campaign.

Whether or not that was intentional is anyone's guess and you're likely never going to be able to prove the Mueller "White hat/Black hat" theory one way or the other anyways, so it's a bit of a moot point. The fact remains that at the very end of his investigation, it was proven that there was no definitive evidence or probable cause to assume that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia. Now you know why it was Rod Rosenstein's job to give these frantic, desperate bloodhounds the wider and ever-widening scope they kept asking of him. At the end of this, when Mueller himself was going to be forced to admit he couldn't find any evidence, it was game over for the Collusion Narrative.

Thank you, Robert Mueller.

The only real questions left are as to how the Steele Dossier (Remember that one? It's been awhile.) wound up being shoved ass-first into these FISA warrants even though the Steele Dossier was a remarkably flawed piece of opposition research, and how the FISA warrants were renewed four times in the absence of any legitimate evidence. I'm expecting to hear quite a bit about Rudolph Contreras and the FISC court somewhere in this report, because there were a lot of questions surrounding that whole mess that are in desperate need of an answer.

Either way, I don't want to write a preamble longer than the fucking report itself, so let's see how idiotic our government was with the FISA warrants.
 
I've noticed there's a select group of really butthurt dudes that are throwing a tantrum over this report's release not resulting in every single Democrat and FBI agent being thrown into prison without trial. They're saying it was assembled by "swamp creatures" and completely absolves the FBI of wrongdoing, apparently because they actually, sincerely believe the media outlets they normally scorn as lying to them and because, again, the release didn't result in immediate and swift retribution against Trump's enemies.

So there's definitely some Mueller Report Didn't Give Us What We Want style backlash coming from the other side. Just goes to show you there are deluded idiots just waiting for an excuse to throw their toys out of the pram on both sides. (The difference being that on the pro-Trump side they're not visibly running the show, I guess.)
 
So let me go backwards for a moment.

General Flynn and Paul Manafort. How does this relate to them? Can their sentences be overturned due to the investigation being wildly improper?

Flynn hasn't been sentenced yet--for a reason.

There is all manner of fuckery associated with his plea. His attorney alleges they have evidence that the FBI went to great pains to elicit a lie from him. They also claim the prosecution hid evidence. So...this might actually help Flynn.

Flynn is definitely someone Trump should pardon. That way when he is attacked for pardoning him his supporters in the media can ask why the left is attacking a decorated veteran.
 
I've noticed there's a select group of really butthurt dudes that are throwing a tantrum over this report's release not resulting in every single Democrat and FBI agent being thrown into prison without trial. They're saying it was assembled by "swamp creatures" and completely absolves the FBI of wrongdoing, apparently because they actually, sincerely believe the media outlets they normally scorn as lying to them and because, again, the release didn't result in immediate and swift retribution against Trump's enemies.

So there's definitely some Mueller Report Didn't Give Us What We Want style backlash coming from the other side. Just goes to show you there are deluded idiots just waiting for an excuse to throw their toys out of the pram on both sides. (The difference being that on the pro-Trump side they're not visibly running the show, I guess.)
It's a sad state of affairs that many of these people are more prone to instant gratification than children being entrusted not to eat marshmallows.
 
So let me go backwards for a moment.

General Flynn and Paul Manafort. How does this relate to them? Can their sentences be overturned due to the investigation being wildly improper?
Barring a Presidential pardon, Manafort's probably fucked because of the legitimate, white-collar crime stuff that he was doing. That's independent from the nonsense that they were pulling with the FISA warrants so he'd have a difficult time wriggling out of that. Flynn? Well, I've been saying that Flynn's case was going to be fun for a long time now, haven't I?

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How shocking.

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That one's a little bit fiddly and probably not much fun to read, but something really unusual happened, there. The attorney who altered that email to allow for the Carter Page FISA to continue did it in just such a way that it would have allowed it to move forwards, but it got stranger. That little "not a source" edit was apparently only sent to the one person who needed to see that clarification, everyone else got the same email, but without the alteration.

That alteration just... Happened to only pop up exactly where it needed to, and then it vanished again. Isn't that convenient.
 
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Barring a Presidential pardon, Manafort's probably fucked because of the legitimate, white-collar crime stuff that he was doing. That's independent from the nonsense that they were pulling with the FISA warrants so he'd have a difficult time wriggling out of that. Flynn? Well, I've been saying that Flynn's case was going to be fun for a long time now, haven't I?

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How shocking.

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That one's a little bit fiddly and probably not much fun to read, but something really unusual happened, there. The liason who altered that email to allow for the Carter Page FISA to continue did it in just such a way that it would have allowed it to move forwards, but it got stranger. That little "not a source" edit was apparently only sent to the one person who needed to see that clarification, everyone else got the same email, but without the alteration.

That alteration just... Happened to only pop up exactly where it needed to, and then it vanished again. Isn't that convenient.
The FBI: "We didn't do a treason! We're just fucking morons!"
 
That one's a little bit fiddly and probably not much fun to read, but something really unusual happened, there. The attorney who altered that email to allow for the Carter Page FISA to continue did it in just such a way that it would have allowed it to move forwards, but it got stranger. That little "not a source" edit was apparently only sent to the one person who needed to see that clarification, everyone else got the same email, but without the alteration.

That alteration just... Happened to only pop up exactly where it needed to, and then it vanished again. Isn't that convenient.

The person who did this, FBI Atty Kevin Clinesmith, is allegedly under investigation for this by Durham. Based off the IG Report, he and Brennan are the only two beltway rats I see facing criminal prosecution. Durham's findings may expand upon that.

The media is already downplaying it though:

Early media reports about Horowitz's report described Clinesmith as being a “low-level attorney,” but the inspector general previously described Clinesmith as “the primary FBI attorney assigned to [the Trump-Russia] investigation in early 2017.”

Other messages showed Clinesmith, listed in Horowitz's report as "FBI Attorney 2," expressed favor toward Clinton and said, “Viva le resistance" in the weeks after Trump's win.

- https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...rter-page-was-not-a-source-for-another-agency
 
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Oh. Oh. Well hello again, I remember you. So that just so fucking happens to be the same attorney editing these emails, huh? Just by complete, fuckin' accident, they pop up here too.

Be right back I gotta' get my big, fuckin' thinking hat.
 
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Oh. Oh. WELL HELLO AGAIN, I REMEMBER YOU. So that just so fucking happens to be the same attorney editing these emails, huh? Just by complete, fuckin' accident, they pop up here too.

Be right back I gotta' get my big, fuckin' thinking hat.
I am so stressed about what I could have done differently... I just can't imagine the systemic disassembly of the progress we made over the last 8 years. ACA is goe. Who knows if the rhetoric about deporting people, wasll, and crap is true. I honestly feel like there is going to be a lot more gun issues, too, the crazies won finally. This is the tea party on steroids. And the GOP is going to be lost, they have to deal with an incumbent in 4 years. We have to fight this again. Also Pence is stupid.
That is just... a freaking perfect microcosm of the general mindset running throughout Trump's opposition.
 
The bias doesn't even matter in the first place, so I don't know why so many people are hung up over it. Whether or not they did this maliciously or accidentally--though the latter is a big, fat "doubt it"-- the fact still remains that there were constant, systematic failures every possible step of the way, and these FISA warrants were only kept on life support via a constant stream of lies.

I'd say that "accidentally" making 17 consecutive errors that just happened to be to their benefit and to the detriment of Trump leaves me feeling a bit goddamned incredulous, but the motive itself doesn't really make for much of a difference at the baseline. They still routinely failed to verify information and at every available opportunity to correct their course, they instead chose to lie in order to perpetuate the narrative. Seventeen times.

If they're not biased then they're unbelievably, pants-shittingly incompetent. That's supposed to make me feel better? "Oh that cop wasn't trying to frame you, he just made a major, clerical error seventeen times in a row. Don't worry, he'll get it right the eighteenth time!"

Nah. I'd like a different officer on my case, please.

It is important because nobody cares about incompetence in law enforcement. It is expected and tolerated as human error.

What is not as tolerated are appearances of outright bias and manipulation. That's why the story when a cop shoots a black person isn't "they're incompetent," it is "they are racist." The bias narrative is much more powerful to the public than the incompetence narrative.
 
It is important because nobody cares about incompetence in law enforcement. It is expected and tolerated as human error.

What is not as tolerated are appearances of outright bias and manipulation. That's why the story when a cop shoots a black person isn't "they're incompetent," it is "they are racist." The bias narrative is much more powerful to the public than the incompetence narrative.

*IF* I were a US Atty i would charge them with Bias, and make Gross Incompetence their only defense. Force them to prove they were utterly incompetent.

Also prove why they couldnt be incompetent
 
*IF* I were a US Atty i would charge them with Bias, and make Gross Incompetence their only defense. Force them to prove they were utterly incompetent.

Also prove why they couldnt be incompetent

Most of the people with those kinds of resources are based in cities, with heavy Democrat leanings. As the FBI are currently Democrat darlings due to La Resistance, there's obviously no chance of that sort of thing happening.
 
Most of the people with those kinds of resources are based in cities, with heavy Democrat leanings. As the FBI are currently Democrat darlings due to La Resistance, there's obviously no chance of that sort of thing happening.

US Attorneys are creatures of the President. And if you successfully bust the FBI for corruption you if nothing else have a guaranteed job at any firm that defends against the federal government
 
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Okay dipshit but what happens if it turns out to not be true and you act on that information, anyways? Oh, right, we get an entire OIG report going into painstaking detail over all the dumb-ass decisions that you made because you're a fucking dumb-ass.

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So you were deeply concerned by the information that Steele was relaying to you to the point where you were deliberately avoiding even informing your superiours of the interactions with Steele for fear of them telling you to break off the communication, but whenever the opportunity arose to bring this information directly to the FBI--like you said you wanted to do--you refused to do it and instead chose to make certain that all of the information you passed along had to pass through you as a 'buffer', first.

Hmm.
 
Back to it! (And just in time too! Damn you work fast @It's HK-47, you're already up to Chapter 9!)

Here's page 276 (PDF page 314):
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Ohr and Steele have an urgent video call! Urgent enough to rush to get it in before work, but not urgent enough for either of them to remember anything at all about it later, apparently. (I'm almost starting to feel bad for poking fun at these guys now. It's legit starting to feel like making fun of the geriatric ward.)

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Ohr couldn't really recall whether he told McCabe and Page that Steele and Simpson were likely providing opposition research for the Clinton campaign. He might've told them, maybe? But he definitely told them about his wife working for Fusion GPS! Y'know, wouldn't want there to be any bias or anything.

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Ohr "knew that Steele and Simpson were collecting the information for political purposes".
 
So you were deeply concerned by the information that Steele was relaying to you to the point where you were deliberately avoiding even informing your superiours of the interactions with Steele for fear of them telling you to break off the communication, but whenever the opportunity arose to bring this information directly to the FBI--like you said you wanted to do--you refused to do it and instead chose to make certain that all of the information you passed along had to pass through you as a 'buffer', first.

Hmm.
I mean....that would be evidence of a criminal conspiracy if it wasnt the government

gets the nogging joggin
 
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Apparently that "munching on fries and sipping wine" moron Asha Rangappa--who very briefly worked for the FBI-- has been going back through her Twitter history in full-blown DFE mode since the release of the OIG report. Thankfully, local Twitter man had already archived most of their discussions.

Likewise, CNN has started to go all the way back to 2017 to try and retroactively change stories that they'd written up about Manafort. For a report that's allegedly such a "nothingburger" it sure is causing an awful lot of people to start backpedaling so hard that their wheels fly off.
 
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Apparently that "munching on fries and sipping wine" moron Asha Rangappa--who very briefly worked for the FBI-- has been going back through her Twitter history in full-blown DFE mode since the release of the OIG report. Thankfully, local Twitter man had already archived most of their discussions.

Likewise, CNN has started to go all the way back to 2017 to try and retroactively change stories that they'd written up about Manafort. For a report that's allegedly such a "nothingburger" it sure is causing an awful lot of people to start backpedaling so hard that their wheels fly off.
Streisand. Effect. For fuck's sake people, it's been a term for over 15 years now.
 
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