Off-Topic The Fujoshi and the Circus of Polymorphous Perversity - The psychology and ethnography of females who become gay males

[Bubble Ba'ath]

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That's kind of mean she made him cry from childhood trauma. THIS is what your obsession does to gay men, pooners.
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Guess we found the female version of the Reddit Moment.

Same exact face but the beard is even more pathetic.

 

[Android raptor]

Autistic people really do tend to have higher rates of what you might call actual gender dysphoria. As in, they don't fit in with members of their own sex, they lack stereotypical male or female interests, they feel isolated, and (crucially) they do not place importance on the social signals that steer men and women away from certain activities associated with the opposite sex.

A "normal" boy who wants to fit in with his peers will usually sense disapproval and stop putting on princess dresses even if he wants to keep wearing them. An autistic boy might not care or might not even notice his peers' disapproval when he puts on a princess dress, he will just pay attention to how much he likes the texture and interesting colors.

This makes autistic kids extremely vulnerable to adults groomers and the gender cult, especially since the trans community seems to offer them the friendship and belonging a lot of autistic young people are lacking.

Autistic kids are also usually under increased pressure to conform to social norms, including gender stereotypes, from teachers and other "autism specialists". Having lived it firsthand, I can easily see why an autistic girl would go "fuck it, I'm a boy" as a way to keep enjoying her interests without being shat on by adults.

Fakebois are usually the result of some combination of internalized misogyny, gender stereotypes being conflated with gender itself, wanting to fit in with genderspecial peers, and desire to escape the shitty things about being a girl like inappropriate sexualization the second puberty begins (which is usually in elementary school or very early middle school for girls, so young enough where shit like catcalling/etc can be particularly damaging).

 

[behindyourightnow]

Troons really are just narcissists who think everyone else exists to serve them. Doesn't matter if they're fujos, faggots or straight dudes with a fetish.

Look at the girl saw the guy she'd just had sex with having a trauma response from childhood and instead of even attempting to empathize (or hell, just politely ignoring it) responds with "fuck you!"

No one else's inner life or feelings are worthy of consideration. Gays and lesbians have to "reframe their trauma," and must have sex with troons without hesitation or complaint. But gender dysphoria is the most important and most excruciating condition in mankind's history, and cannot possibly be reframed, which is why we should always center the feelings and needs of trans people.

(Except now they say you don't have to have gender dysphoria to be trans. But their feelings should still be centered. Just stop asking questions, bigot.)

 

[Dread First]

This is what happens when you ban yaoi paddles from conventions meant for degenerates. Now we have no one beating the sense into these morons with a literal oar.

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

These girls are obsessed with gay men, particularly effeminate gay male culture and drag queens. They also want the oppression points and uniqueness that gay men have because they think that they are boring and oppressive as cis straight women.

It’s one thing to be merely an ally and be accepting of who you are, but it’s another thing to go the extra mile and live the fantasy of being a flamboyant gay man. Unfortunately, so many allies have gone down the path of becoming one. And many do not look like boyband heartthrobs.

Spoiler: NSFW

 

[Fathomless Eminence]

These girls are obsessed with gay men, particularly effeminate gay male culture and drag queens. They also want the oppression points and uniqueness that gay men have because they think that they are boring and oppressive as cis straight women.

It’s one thing to be merely an ally and be accepting of who you are, but it’s another thing to go the extra mile and live the fantasy of being a flamboyant gay man. Unfortunately, so many allies have gone down the path of becoming one. And many do not look like boyband heartthrobs.

Spoiler: NSFW

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Bro what in the fuck even is that shifty little creature that looks like something out of Tim Burton's acid flashbacks

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

Bro what in the fuck even is that shifty little creature that looks like something out of Tim Burton's acid flashbacks

She’s another feminine gay FTM. She transitioned because like many Gaydens, she is obsessed with gay men and drag queens.

The reason she stands out is because she’s not from the USA, or Canada, or the UK. Instead, she’s from…the Czech Republic.

 

[MadDisaster]

I'm really old and have been on the internet along time, so I actually watched the fujo to trans crap happen in real time.

Spoiler: Spoiler for all kinds of autism about fanfic spaces

It's suprisingly easy - back when fandom was in mailing lists, and then LiveJournal, "slash" (yaoi as a term was anime fandoms, slash was generally western media, but it's the same thing) fans were strictly separated from the "het" or "gen" fans. You could not post any fic with a same sex pairing to main comms or lists, and the few that would allow it required specific warnings. This lead to spaces that were a bit outcast from regular fic spaces, so there would often be quite a few misfits. It was still almost entirely female, but it also tended to have the lesbian and bisexual women along with the straight women. There were occasionally surveys or discussions about why slash (especially with lesbians), and the appeal was usually a combo of main characters being male, important relationships being between male characters, not wanting to deal with gender roles and feelings about women and her relationships. Bunch of reasons - but useful background for following this progression.

Quite a few people took their writing seriously enough to care about trying to write "realistically". This is where problems come in. There was a site by a gay man giving advice on how to write gay sex for slash writers - Minotaur or something? But it was treated like a Bible, and created a huge number of tropes that were then adopted by subsequent new writers years and years on. So twenty years on, stuff from that guy and his site memetically influenced how these women write.

LiveJournal was very segregated- more like reddit than Twitter or tumblr, with various communities large, small, public, private, popular, or niche. You could have incredibly filtered friends and spaces. Then LiveJournal fucked up multiple times, one of which was bowing to some Christian group who was pushing for the site to be child friendly. Lots of journals, comms, etc were deleted. By the time the company was eventually sold to a Russian company, fandom was moving to tumblr and Archive of Our Own existed for a safer place to post fic without censorship.

But tumblr doesn't allow for communities or closed spaces. It's part of the reason all of their weirdness is contagious - before people were a bit more bricked off, so things didn't spread the same way. So, you have a weird niche of women already, some of whom cared about social justice stuff, mix it with tumblr and things spreading like a disease and everything is hugely amplified. A gay guy bitching about how women were oppressing him with their stupid, unrealistic girly fics would actually get attention, and since SJW was the standard on tumblr, people couldn't just say "I don't care" and go back to doing what they wanted. No locked comms to keep people separated from shit that bothered them, everything spreading outside of designated spaces, and then the shaming would start. Now, plenty of people would still just ignore this stuff, and keep on with what they were doing, but as time went on and more and more young people who are easier to influence joined, it would become more and more of an undercurrent - women writing their little stories were just kind of weird. Now they're oppressing actual gay men, or "appropriating" their experiences, objectifying them. Blah, blah, blah social justice nonsense.

This is also when the first "trans men" would start popping up. And I have to emphasize here how much women in these spaces would suck the dick of any "man" in the hen house. If incels were smarter and less insufferable, they would have learned to write some gay Supernatural fic or something, and they would have had way more female attention than any fedora would give them. But since it's the internet, any woman who wanted could basically be a man, because no one would really know if you were only communicating via text. There's a person called copperbadge who has lapped as a man for twenty years - I think they're officially "trans man" now, but before there was no caveat.

Fast forward, and things are way more. Rigid. Fraught. Tense. The SJW thing has successfully permeated, and tumblr starts having more and more variations of "you shouldn't write this if you're not a gay man". (There's also the "antis" and their really extreme inability to separate fiction from reality - if you like a "problematic" character or ship, you're obviously a bad person.) That's not going to work on people with a firmer grasp of reality (and that space on the internet is basically unlimited, so literally no one is stopping gay men from writing anything they want, and not reading shitty girly fanfics), but the younger, less confident? They are the ones who buy that shit. And trans was the new oppressed group on the block. So the fujos start going trans, and start perpetuating the "you shouldn't write this if you're not a gay man. You're oppressing/objectifying/etc us True and Honest gay men".

Because nothing is quite as satisfying in the oppression Olympics is getting to wokescold people, and even pretend men are very good at female social pressure, you dial up the shame. And the weak, young, autistic now aren't just weird for liking some stories with dudes making out - they're horrible people. But! Tumblr also says that trans people are what they say they are. And dysphoria isn't needed to be trans. And maybe I like reading about guys because I really am a guy? And it's the internet, so I can be a boy if I want to.

Obviously, this creates a cycle that feeds itself via social media, and because there is even more cult pressure, it's easy for girls to fall into the trap. They already have teen issues, and weird feelings about sex that places like tumblr have built into increasingly tiny boxes, and a nice cult ready to love bomb them, and give them a tiny feeling of power as well. They're usually in too deep before any of the reality creeps in.

 

[David Glowie]

That's exactly how I remember it happening too.

 

[The Hoh Rainforest]

@MadDisaster
The last few years have been a nightmare of watching what happened to fandom spread through society like sepsis. It's like watching a particularly vicious evangelical religion be born and go through its crusader phase.

Is copperbadge VB's new mansona?

 

[S.C Malthus]

LMFAO "Noah" LOOKS SO DISPROPORTIONATE!

Nah, it's fine now, Noah's acquired a cock and is now a true and honest man. A big dick boy sculpted in the image of a homoerotic Greek god.

Even if it took him an embarrasingly long time to figure out how/what to do with it...and I use "figured out" loosely.

Spoiler: Peak Alpha

Much like a car or firearm, should you really be trusted to have one if you don't know how to properly use it?

Somehow the addition of a cock rendered him less masculine & possessing of top energy.

 

[MadDisaster]

@MadDisaster
The last few years have been a nightmare of watching what happened to fandom spread through society like sepsis. It's like watching a particularly vicious evangelical religion be born and go through its crusader phase.

Is copperbadge VB's new mansona?

No, copperbadge has been the same since LiveJournal. They were a "BNF" in their own right for their Remus/Sirius fic, and would occasionally come to my attention via Discworld stuff. I know VB has a mansona, but I don't think it ever got as much traction.

Spoiler: Some more autism about fandom and fujos

Tumblr, in its NSFW days, was also responsible for actual real life gay porn permeating spaces. Free streaming porn was accessible by that time, clips were posted and reblogged all over tumblr, and because of gay men bitching about inaccuracies, suddenly actual porn should be watched. For research, or something.

No kinkshaming also became such a big thing that it was far more extensive in fics as well. There had always been sex and kink in fic, but it became increasingly normalized. Even in LiveJournal kink memes there had been some hesitancy on writing certain types of prompts, even anonymously, because there was a suspicion that it was some creep using you to write their fap material for them. Of course, once you can't kink shame, there's no limit to what can spread and become popular - look at the whole Omegaverse. Mpreg went from being very niche, to borderline beastiality being huge because it started in fandoms with werewolves. I used to have no idea what knotting was, and then tumblr assaulted me with horrible knowledge.

Basically, a combo of some gay men being obnoxious and Tumblr being nuclear fallout levels of fucked in so many ways built a lot of this crazy shit.

 

[hufflemuff]

Nah, it's fine now, Noah's acquired a cock and is now a true and honest man. A big dick boy sculpted in the image of a homoerotic Greek god.

Even if it took him an embarrasingly long time to figure out how/what to do with it...and I use "figured out" loosely.

Spoiler: Peak Alpha

Much like a car or firearm, should you really be trusted to have one if you don't know how to properly use it?
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Somehow the addition of a cock rendered him less masculine & possessing of top energy.
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It's the exact same thing that happens with MtF trooners. The feminine outfits contrast starkly with their masculine features and even former soft twinks suddenly look mannish, not in a good manly way, they just lose their cute. It's similar to how women with strong features look outright ugly when styled like a disney princess while soft-faced women get washed out by edgy looks. You look your best when you underscore what nature has given you, everything else creates visual disharmony.

 

[veritarded]

Wow, that og surgery scar isn't as bad as the ones that the gaydens have nowdays, how the fuck the surgery techinic got worse with time?

whenever i visit r/transgender_surgeries every week or so the name of a new butcher pops up.

it’s a profitable field, the patients are low impulse control children/porn rotted coomers who want their surgery NOW NOW NOW and will sign any papers without so much as glancing over them.

it’s like the cosmetic surgery fads but being a gender butcher takes less time training than a facial surgeon, and no matter how bad your portfolio looks there will always be tranners lined up at your clinic if it’s the fastest option for them.

i’ve read stories from post-ops who speak of malpractice/waking up during surgeries/bad post-op follow ups, hell i even saw one who said his amhole surgery took an hour and his butcher was in a rush to do it. even with these horror stories, the troons still finish it off with “but i DONT regret it” or “i’d do it again”. trans surgeries is a good field to get into if you’re a soulless grifter who can shrug off patient concerns because in the end most of them will kill themselves or get a revision (more $).

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Then LiveJournal fucked up multiple times, one of which was bowing to some Christian group who was pushing for the site to be child friendly. Lots of journals, comms, etc were deleted.

Odd way of characterizing what was actually a crackdown on sexual material involving minors. A lot of what was deleted, that the lezzers and fujos cried about being "queer oppression", was stuff like "Snarry" ie fantasies sick young women had about Harry Potter being raped by his teacher.

 

[MadDisaster]

Odd way of characterizing what was actually a crackdown on sexual material involving minors. A lot of what was deleted, that the lezzers and fujos cried about being "queer oppression", was stuff like "Snarry" ie fantasies sick young women had about Harry Potter being raped by his teacher.

It was one of several issues from LiveJournal, and since I wasn't writing a dissertation, I was focusing on things broadly that were most relevant. However, that particular incident didn't seem to do much to reduce sexual material involving real minors, as it infamously removed rape and sexual abuse support communities, book discussion groups, comms that had nothing to do with sexual content, along with written material involving minors. While there is obviously room for disagreement, I'm not willing to get that upset about written fiction involving fictional characters in one of the most popular pieces of media in the world, even if the characters were teenagers. Tons of media is about teenagers. A lot of fanfic is written by teenagers. Equating it to CSAM is like trannies calling misgendering violence.

It's also pretty reasonable for users to not want to use a service that bows to the whims of religious organizations in determining what one can post on a site, especially when the precedent it sets is that everything a user posts can be deleted at any time with no recourse if an outside group is noisy enough - not a big deal for a tweet, but if someone spending hours/days/weeks writing, it's reasonable to want a bit more security.

So sure, it was nominally an attempt to remove CSAM. It still was done badly, and users were mad about it - which was the part actually important to explaining a migration to tumblr.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

It was one of several issues from LiveJournal, and since I wasn't writing a dissertation, I was focusing on things broadly that were most relevant. However, that particular incident didn't seem to do much to reduce sexual material involving real minors, as it infamously removed rape and sexual abuse support communities, book discussion groups, comms that had nothing to do with sexual content, along with written material involving minors. While there is obviously room for disagreement, I'm not willing to get that upset about written fiction involving fictional characters in one of the most popular pieces of media in the world, even if the characters were teenagers. Tons of media is about teenagers. A lot of fanfic is written by teenagers. Equating it to CSAM is like trannies calling misgendering violence.

It's also pretty reasonable for users to not want to use a service that bows to the whims of religious organizations in determining what one can post on a site, especially when the precedent it sets is that everything a user posts can be deleted at any time with no recourse if an outside group is noisy enough - not a big deal for a tweet, but if someone spending hours/days/weeks writing, it's reasonable to want a bit more security.

So sure, it was nominally an attempt to remove CSAM. It still was done badly, and users were mad about it - which was the part actually important to explaining a migration to tumblr.

Great reveal. I've followed this since it happened and without fail people who cry about it being some form of homophobic persecution that their Harry Potter rape smut got removed from a website are Part of the Problem. The normalization of grooming and sexualization of kids, kids' media, and so forth, is the main issue here. If you think it's fine when it's stuff that turns YOU on (and clearly you're not any kind of dispassionate onlooker- you're one of the slash fic girls, all grown up) but only crosses a line at some blurry future point- well congratulations, if you want to find the perverts causing the destruction of an entire generation, look in the mirror.

 

[MadDisaster]

Great reveal. I've followed this since it happened and without fail people who cry about it being some form of homophobic persecution that their Harry Potter rape smut got removed from a website are Part of the Problem. The normalization of grooming and sexualization of kids, kids' media, and so forth, is the main issue here. If you think it's fine when it's stuff that turns YOU on (and clearly you're not any kind of dispassionate onlooker- you're one of the slash fic girls, all grown up) but only crosses a line at some blurry future point- well congratulations, if you want to find the perverts causing the destruction of an entire generation, look in the mirror.

LOL. Considering your obsession with bizarre gotchas and seeing pedos lurking around every corner, you should consider seeking some professional help. Or check that mirror yourself, since you don't seem to have any concept of nuance, or the difference between fiction and reality. You genuinely give me the creeps dude.

Sorry, I'm not a slash fic girl grown up - I was just on fandom_wank for years. I just don’t give a shit about written fiction as needing censorship. I tend to save my concern for things that harm actual human beings - real ones, not fictional ones. I can find something personally distasteful without needing to get it censored.

Also, wtf are you even talking about? Recounting how people felt and reacted in a summary or a situation is part of providing context. My own feelings were only in the reply expressing that it's reasonable for users to not want their shit randomly deleted becauseof some shrieking activist group. Which is fucking reasonable.

 

[Kalsarikännit]

These people fascinate me, because it seems to be that since the most common direction trannies go is male to female. Not just that, but along the line it feels like there’s an implication that it would be easier for a woman to become a man, yet looking at the real examples of the shoe being on the other foot, “transitioning” is still just as much of a failure, and it’s the same people, to boot.

Coombrained, molested, groomed, or just horny from cross-dressing.

It’s fascinating the way both sexes fail to emulate the other, while simultaneously doing the same thing.

 

[Android raptor]

These people fascinate me, because it seems to be that since the most common direction trannies go is male to female. Not just that, but along the line it feels like there’s an implication that it would be easier for a woman to become a man, yet looking at the real examples of the shoe being on the other foot, “transitioning” is still just as much of a failure, and it’s the same people, to boot.

Coombrained, molested, groomed, or just horny from cross-dressing.

It’s fascinating the way both sexes fail to emulate the other, while simultaneously doing the same thing.

Most minors who troon out are natal females. Has been the case for like a decade now.

Wild how the natal sex known for getting more shit, earlier by society is the one kids are trying to escape.