Off-Topic "The Good Ones" - For the 1% of trannies that pass and/or aren't otherwise fucking insane

[CeleryBread]

Sophia Narwitz.

 

[Saltmine]

The fact they need all the drugs and surgery just to get to "passable" is a big from me.

 

[Positron]

Trans kiwis are also cool, Semper Fi to all are Trans kiwis


Except tombomb, he's a child and dog rapist

Richard Terra Jones (@Buffalo Bill ) is a pedophile, thief, and domestic abuser.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

No such creature. The amount of suprabiological hormones you "need" to maintain troonery makes you an emotionally unstable lunatic. If you've ever had slight hormonal imbalance, you know how little it takes to make your body freak the fuck out. If you remember puberty, you remember what your pubescent hormone levels did to your ability to behave like a rational person. Now realize that trannies take an amount of hormones that doesn't just trigger a pseudo-puberty, but also runs counter to the state their body wants to be in.

Do you really think someone constantly in the throes of double puberty isn't a manic crazy person?

 

[Fruit Merchant]

I like the Transparency Podcast. It's hosted by two FTMs and they describe the podcast as "a compassionate yet heterodox approach to the question of trans." They interview a wide variety of guests including gender critical trans people, detransitioners, journalists, biologists, psychologists, and sociologists. Topics include AGP/HSTS and AAP, detransition, social influence on young people, modern trans "healthcare," alternative treatments for gender dysphoria, single-sex spaces, and the flaws of the gender identity framework/trans ideology.

I've known a few trans people and while a couple of them were assholes (both "transbians", unsurprisingly), most of them were friendly, agreeable people who suffered from depression and/or autism. I feel sympathy for people with gender dysphoria, and I can't really hate people who transition when the sole standard of care for gender dysphoria is hormones+surgery. Hopefully that changes soon as more and more detransitioners share their stories.

 

[supremeautismo]

I've known a few trans people and while a couple of them were assholes (both "transbians", unsurprisingly), most of them were friendly, agreeable people who suffered from depression and/or autism. I feel sympathy for people with gender dysphoria, and I can't really hate people who transition when the sole standard of care for gender dysphoria is hormones+surgery. Hopefully that changes soon as more and more detransitioners share their stories.

I'm in a sort of weird similar position. I've known more trannies throughout my life IRL than most people, and I'd say even more than most people on the farms. (City folk.)

I can make a broad stroke analysis and say generally speaking, the FTM's are on average nicer and more agreeable (because they're women,) and the MTF's can be nice and agreeable, but a higher percentage of them have been sex pests (because they're men.) However, I've met plenty of TiFs who are unbelievably obnoxious/predatory as well.

So the people who've come in and out of my life have generally been fine-- except their absolute unwillingness to ever go against the main "trans narrative," to the point of castigating others even within a workplace and causing a scene, as well as blind support to those who've been found out as actual predators.

I've learned to just keep my mouth shut and ignore these people, but as I still have auxiliary friends who identify as transgender, I have to hold in my frustration until I come onto the farms-- which of course, now I can't, because of bully trannies.

And then they get mad at me when I say they're their own worst enemy. Because of course blind acceptance based on ingroup bias and a history of oppression is exactly why the black community isn't in shambles and irreparable.

 

[Mudkipcorn]

I know a few friends who have transitioned and remained good people as far as I can tell, though in each case I moved away shortly after their transition. I'm certainly more sympathetic to transgenderism than most people on KF but I acknowledge it is some kind of mental disorder and a great many troons (like those covered on this site) have a number of other mental disorders which make them insufferable. But not all trannies are like that.

An anecdote: I recently saw a post on social media from one friend who transitioned. It was his birthday and he wrote a long post talking about how his year went. It was a few paragraphs long and there was only one brief mention of his now presenting as a woman (he started taking hormones a couple years ago but apparently came out to his parents this year). I think that says something about him. His transition hasn't become the dominant factor of his personality (so far as I can tell from afar anyway).

HWNBAW, but he's seems genuine in what he's doing. If I still lived in the same country as him and saw him regularly, I would probably even use feminine pronouns out of respect and as acknowledgement that he is presenting (if not very successfully) as a woman. As it is all my memories of him being very much a masculine fellow so it'll always be 'he' in my mind.

I have also met several FTMs. Just in passing for the most part, but all but one were pretty normal and of course they register as men much more than 99.9% of MTFs register as women.

The ones who aren't obsessed with trannydom, balls deep in activism/thoughtpolicing, and aren't sexpests are the good ones. That eliminates a big portion of trannies but they are out there.

 

[CrystalChevvy]

They're all fucking insane. Even the ones who are able to appear normal around other people. Just because they don't make any fuss doesn't mean it's not a severe mental illness for a born male to go around pretending he's a woman, or a born female to go around pretending she's a man.

 

[tuka]

I think the most fitting category are most ladyboy prostitutes. Most of em are like "meh, idgaf personally whether I am woman or not, but the larping pays the bills". Azns have it much easier to pass too, especially for whiteoids. In a 3rd world sex tourism economy with bleak career prospects, you can't get any saner than that.

 

[taco freak]

This tbh. You don't hear about "the good ones" because they're not screaming from the rooftops with bull horns that they are trannys.
They're just everyday people with what must be a crippling mental illness to deal with almost (not quite) on the level of schizophrenia that are trying to live their lives as best they can.
They don't talk about how they are trans because it's not something they've made a cornerstone of their entire identity.
Like most things, it's the loudest retards who attract the most attention.
I don't hate trannys (even the annoying ones) I don't  like them particularly, but mostly I just pity them.

So I don't talk about this much, but in my former rehab career in an extremely troon-friendly city, I developed a specialty in a therapy that really helped with a lot of the physical complications from transition surgeries. When I went into it, I treated them the same as any other person, as I had been inculturated to do. I realized very quickly that this was a mistake.

Spoiler: click 4 sperg

One half of this group, the half that we pity, should be treated as if they have severe trauma, brain damage, or confusion from heavy pain medication, because one or all of those things certainly applies in the 6 months following transition surgery (maybe even for life). Even if they are one of the "good ones", they are fragile and most people know to take them with a grain of salt. They're weird, and not normal, but they're trying. Even the people I knew personally as friends or dates, not as patients, would fit in this category.

The other half of this group, the ones that we rightfully despise, are nightmare predators that enjoy hurting women, rapidly tearing up personal and social boundaries, sexually harassing, and generally making everyone else a stationary object to be used for narcissistic supply in their horror film of a life.

With normal patients, I have had exactly one instance of harassment throughout my whole career. With troons, I have lost count: I have been asked insanely personal questions about my body, menstrual cycle, sex life and how I "perform femininity", dealt with sexually charged responses to normal medical questions, had one come in with ears and a tail and inappropriately moan in an open clinic and wouldn't stop until we threw him out, been groped while trying to deliver therapy to a patient, dealt with them masturbating when being left alone in the treatment room, and more. The specialty therapy I did involved dangerous equipment and PPE so it's not like I could just slap their hands and run away, they took advantage of the entire situation just to try to physically victimize me in my workplace where I help people heal from brutal injuries (yes, brutal injuries including "gender reassignment surgery").

I have had so many more negative experiences than positive ones that I honestly came to the conclusion on my own that there is an incredible amount of severe mental illness in the trans community and most of them are not worth knowing. Seeing how it's continued to accelerate has unfortunately not surprised me. I no longer work in the field because I can't ensure I will never be preyed on again, and I'm definitely not publishing any of the information I learned about how to mitigate a lot of the horrors we see in the GCS/GRS thread with the therapy I specialized in. I don't support transgenderism, I think humans should be discouraged from it at all costs, and that it would take a rare human dedicated to resolving trauma and being sane to ever transition and be one of the "good ones".

One last thing: I think part of the reason we see so much insanity and schizo behavior from MtF troons compared to FtM troons, is about cross-sex HRT. The estrogen and androgen blocking regimen the men are given vastly increases blood levels of copper and decreases liver function in the vast majority of them (this can happen to women on HRT or birth control too although less common). High levels of copper drive sympathetic over-activation - think non stop norepinephrine, insomnia, panic attacks, paranoia, survival behavior (narcissism - preserve the self at all costs). Crappy liver means you can't clear the copper out and it builds up. Vast majority of schizos have high copper levels. Not a coincidence.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

@Feline Darkmage

You oldfags know who I'm talking about.

 

[Procrastinhater]

So I don't talk about this much, but in my former rehab career in an extremely troon-friendly city, I developed a specialty in a therapy that really helped with a lot of the physical complications from transition surgeries. When I went into it, I treated them the same as any other person, as I had been inculturated to do. I realized very quickly that this was a mistake.

Spoiler: click 4 sperg

One half of this group, the half that we pity, should be treated as if they have severe trauma, brain damage, or confusion from heavy pain medication, because one or all of those things certainly applies in the 6 months following transition surgery (maybe even for life). Even if they are one of the "good ones", they are fragile and most people know to take them with a grain of salt. They're weird, and not normal, but they're trying. Even the people I knew personally as friends or dates, not as patients, would fit in this category.

The other half of this group, the ones that we rightfully despise, are nightmare predators that enjoy hurting women, rapidly tearing up personal and social boundaries, sexually harassing, and generally making everyone else a stationary object to be used for narcissistic supply in their horror film of a life.

With normal patients, I have had exactly one instance of harassment throughout my whole career. With troons, I have lost count: I have been asked insanely personal questions about my body, menstrual cycle, sex life and how I "perform femininity", dealt with sexually charged responses to normal medical questions, had one come in with ears and a tail and inappropriately moan in an open clinic and wouldn't stop until we threw him out, been groped while trying to deliver therapy to a patient, dealt with them masturbating when being left alone in the treatment room, and more. The specialty therapy I did involved dangerous equipment and PPE so it's not like I could just slap their hands and run away, they took advantage of the entire situation just to try to physically victimize me in my workplace where I help people heal from brutal injuries (yes, brutal injuries including "gender reassignment surgery").

I have had so many more negative experiences than positive ones that I honestly came to the conclusion on my own that there is an incredible amount of severe mental illness in the trans community and most of them are not worth knowing. Seeing how it's continued to accelerate has unfortunately not surprised me. I no longer work in the field because I can't ensure I will never be preyed on again, and I'm definitely not publishing any of the information I learned about how to mitigate a lot of the horrors we see in the GCS/GRS thread with the therapy I specialized in. I don't support transgenderism, I think humans should be discouraged from it at all costs, and that it would take a rare human dedicated to resolving trauma and being sane to ever transition and be one of the "good ones".

One last thing: I think part of the reason we see so much insanity and schizo behavior from MtF troons compared to FtM troons, is about cross-sex HRT. The estrogen and androgen blocking regimen the men are given vastly increases blood levels of copper and decreases liver function in the vast majority of them (this can happen to women on HRT or birth control too although less common). High levels of copper drive sympathetic over-activation - think non stop norepinephrine, insomnia, panic attacks, paranoia, survival behavior (narcissism - preserve the self at all costs). Crappy liver means you can't clear the copper out and it builds up. Vast majority of schizos have high copper levels. Not a coincidence.

Damn that's messed up.
I agree, and I think the "ok" ones are mostly HSTS. It's the AGP perverts that seem to be the most deviant and degenerate, a lot of them have Histrionic personality and Narcissistic/Sadistic personality traits along side it, they get off on making people uncomfortable.
The most deranged and deviant of them a few decades ago would have been locked away for their own and societies safety, they remind me of Miggs from Silence of the Lambs, the freak that was jerking off 20 times a day that Lector talked into 41%ing himself after he threw spunk at Agent Starling, they're fucking sickos who would better treated by lobotmizing than letting them run around the streets.
Sorry that shit happened to you.
AGP troons are fucking vile and a sane society would remove them.

 

[Neko GF]

"Sane" isn't really appropriate for trannies, even when describing the more tolerable & reasonable ones. They are demographic of people who ruin their bodies in an attempt to emulate something they can never truly be. All trannies are inherently insane in someway.

Not being a deviant and/or accepting that you can't change sex doesn't erase the insanity of cutting of one's dick/ tits.

 

[9Style]

"Sane" isn't really appropriate for trannies, even when describing the more tolerable & reasonable ones. They are demographic of people who ruin their bodies in an attempt to emulate something they can never truly be. All trannies are inherently insane in someway.

Not being a deviant and/ or accpeting that you can't change sex doens't earase the insanity of cutting of one's dick/ tits.

While I was going through dropkiwifarms tag on twitter, I saw many trannies. But then I looked at their friends lists. Other, actually passing trannies, saying nothing, probably too busy making bank on Onlyfans and getting banged in the butt.

 

[Android raptor]

Richard Terra Jones (@Buffalo Bill ) is a pedophile, thief, and domestic abuser.

Forgot melted plastic bag also had an account, damn

 

[Freezard]

I find the best ones are the ones who know how strange they are and accept it instead of raging against the world for their own identity troubles. This basically means not flipping out when they're called by what they look. After all, I'm a man who looks like a guy you smell before you see whose conversation opener is "give me your wallet or I'll stab you," and I've still been somehow called "mam." It just happens, it's nothing to freak out over, and that sort is the most normal imo for just accepting their place, even if their own image of themselves is still terribly distorted.

The majority of trannies that I've become familiar with have been Asians with stereotypically overbearing Asian parents, which supports a theory I've put together that I think is the common conclusion people have come to. Yes, there's the degeneracy and the porn addiction, there's the autism, though the latter I've found is more prevalent than just perversion. The common factor though seems to be outside pressure and expectations of the self, and either an uncertainty towards what exactly a "man" is, and/or that they have a failure or unwillingness to measure up to the expectations of one. None of them seem to have a real idea of what a woman is either- they really just don't want to be a man, like the opposite of the Mulan song. So they default to "pretty girl" that they see in "cute girls doing cute things" anime, also known as garbage. Except not really- what they really seem to want is to not be a woman, or a man, but somebody without the obligations of an adult. A child.

It's a bit of a funny thing to debate with myself. I don't like the politics of trannies, the insistence on accepting fantasy and forcing everybody else to as well. I don't think people should look to transition as a way to escape their problems rather than solving them. Every tranny I've met has had some sort of outside problem, some sort of mental instability or illness besides gender dysphoria, and the ones who really do have genetic sex distortion are a miniscule statistical anomaly (XXY and stuff). However, I do make friends and treat them politely, even though I think their existence is a tragedy and their ideal end condition is an impossibility bred from refusing to grow up and/or get their shit together. Most of the time I just find it pitiable instead of outright revolting, and in a free society, you do have the right to do things that are harmful to yourself, for better or worse.

 

[9Style]

The fact they need all the drugs and surgery just to get to "passable" is a big from me.

One I found probably spent over $100,000 on surgeries, implants, fat removal, facial feminization, throat surgery. But it looks like they regularly work out, on top of the usual drugs and dilating.

Impressive but still insane.

 

[Android raptor]

One I found probably spent over $100,000 on surgeries, implants, fat removal, facial feminization, throat surgery. But it looks like they regularly work out, on top of the usual drugs and dilating.

Impressive but still insane.

To be fair, there are cis women who've done the same shit (and worse i.e. Martina Big).

 

[Deepland Bystander]

I have a very complicated viewpoints when it comes to "Good Trans". I don't think "true trans" really exist, but I also think they can be good, nice and non-annoying

I came from a country with a very different approach to transitioning to begin with, where transitioning is very common but legal gender marker cannot be changed, most of the transitioned people here are HSTS and they accept the fact of their actual sex. Most of them just want to live their life too,

But coming from a culture where "trans" is not an innate identity, that you cannot change your sex, that it is not tied to psychiatric institution and bureaucracy. I see the cracks in the western premise that being being trans mean you have a mind of an opposite sex as being a localised belief instead of being a universal truth. Being trans is simply a cultural framework like a religion, it is a supernatural explanation for things we don't fully know, as well as being a mask social policy for people who may have distress in their sexed body or that they're gender-nonconforming. Being gender nonconforming is universal, but western society decided that being trans is the pressure release valve for the one who do not conform because of its mechanistic mindset of the industrialisation.

Transitioning medicine is a ritual. Of course, we cannot say it for what it is, but 200 years ago you wouldn't be saying that god wasn't real without getting any backlashes either.

And I don't even hate religions, I do think society need some make belief to be functional, but as with religions, the most zealous adherences are insane

 

[White-Kettle Shufflepunk]

I feel like this is a slightly complicated question. I would say that, yes, there are plenty of trans people out there that aren't complete blights on society, that can contribute, or at least carry on a decent conversation. But they are--every single one--deeply unwell. And I don't just mean in the "they think they're the wrong sex" sense, though I maintain that is in fact also a delusion. Every trans person I've known--even the nice ones--who wasn't a complete fetishist or trend chaser (ironically, those tend to be the "healthiest") nurses some kind of deep, intractable pain, and it's pretty clear the trans thing is a coping mechanism. And it's not a harmless or efficacious coping mechanism, either. You ever seen how painfully posed and stiffed someone like Tony Reed or Blair White looks in photos? That's what happens when you're lying every second of every day, not just with your words, or in your heart, but with your entire body.

Trans people place themselves in direct opposition to reality, and as you can tell by the fact I'm not actually Superman, reality always wins. All they can do is force everyone else to lie with them, that's so many of them are paranoid wrecks. They know they're not what they claim to be, and they have enough theory of mind to guess most people know it too, no matter how much they parrot "Trans-women are women, trans rights are human rights."

People have talked about the high rate of mental illness amongst trans people. It's not just that mentally ill people are more vulnerable to the trans trap, but because "transitioning" makes you more vulnerable to mental illness. Trans communities indoctrinate their members into fearing the outside world, and treat having any kind of self awareness or resilience as an imposition.

This would be tragic enough, if it also wasn't also making life worse for gay people, women, children, and people interested in basic intellectual honestly. So no, not all trans people deserve scorn. But they shouldn't be treated as members of the opposite sex, not even as a courtesy (of course, society has made that basic principle dangerous to exercise) not even if they "pass." Trans-medicalists are as full as shit as the transtrenders, and argurably are more dangerous. Jazz Jennings' parents were probably what you'd call trans-medicalists, and look what he's been reduced to: a ten year old boy's head on a fat old man's body.