The Great (low budget) Hiking Guide and Thread

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

Hiking poles :
USE THEM!!!

Your knees will thank you and your entire hike will be more comfortable.

Other than steep terrain, what's the usage argument for hiking poles?

What's the mechanical argument that they are useful in offsetting fatigue?

I've never used them personally.

I don't hike as much anymore as I've become lazy, middle-aged and fat.

Hikes I would potentially do at this point are day hikes that aren't at altitude in the three seasons that aren't winter. Some hilly sections though with loose rock.

I always associated hiking poles with old ladies and insufferable liberals.

 

[Newfag14]

Other than steep terrain, what's the usage argument for hiking poles?

What's the mechanical argument that they are useful in offsetting fatigue?

I always associated hiking poles with old ladies and insufferable liberals.

Yes, I agree , they do look a bit silly but I think is more because how the person using them looks in general..
Nobody would ever mistake me for a libtard since I'm just a young, in-shape guy fully dressed in black with a heavy backpack
Either way you should not care about other peoples perception 95% of the time, especially if it's about doing something healthy.
As always, just don't dress like a freak and you'll be fine.

As for the bio mechanical workings, that would be above my paygrade to do a good job explaining it.
The basic gist is that the basic rules of physics apply: more contant points with the ground = more stability and more even weight distribution. I'm no science expert tho.
I can speak from experience that I can feel a real difference when not taking my poles, more so if I have a lot of weight to carry.
You will have an easier time walking since pretty much your whole body is more engaged, you will have a easy time keeping a good, stable posture hence even your breathing would improve. There is simply no real reason not to use them, even in flat terrain since all point's still apply.

Walking with poles also worked wonders for me to recover from a knee injury + backpain after I got into a bike accident, for what that's worth.

 

[Newfag14]

The big trap with duct tape is thinking you need to take a whole roll.

Spoiler: ... the rest of the reply

Rewrap some around your hiking polls, spiraling it down with enough overlap that the is mostly affixed. You don't need a ton, just enough for emergencies. You'll add like, an oz or so tops to your carry weight and it'll be distributed on your polls. I hike pretty light (under 20 lbs dry) and never had a weight issue.

I would do that and have a small roll of sail tape in my pack. Use the duct tape (rather, I used gorilla tape because it has better adhesive) for quick or non critical tasks (ex: tear in down jacket, broken sunglasses, etc). Sail tape for mission critical and "wet" areas (rainjackets, tents, etc).

Great contribution.
I will add it as a sub-point called "the duct tape question"

Edit: Or i will mention it in another way, you will be mentioned, your contribution was helpfull after all.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Never bothered with hiking poles but I'd occasionally cut down a stave and use that. It needs to be taller than you and thick enough to not flex when you have your weight on it. Good for poking your way through deep snow and balancing while going up or down hills. Can also hit people with it. Gandalf knew where it's at.

 

[el_4aba7]

Regarding shoes: I always keep a pair of flip flops to air out my feet and avoid my shoes smelling. Also carry extra pairs of socks but you already mentioned that. I've gotten fungus before.

A backpack should at the very least have an abdominal (and sternum) belt and some ok-ish padding for the shoulders/back.

Lol, learn from a pro. Tie both of your backpack's handles together (i do it with the belt) and carry it across your spine or slightly to your side. When you're jogging hold it on your side with one hand. No better alternative than this. Easy to take it on/off. Slide it on your belly if you get into some bazaar or need to take something out.
Peanut butter is great food no? Make it yourself don't buy it from a supermarket.
A whip that can crack is extremely cheap where I live because horse carriages are still a thing. I've found it indispensible against stray dogs that start running cause I'm running. It makes a loud popping sound like a petard.
If I get any more ideas I'll post them later : )

 

[Newfag14]

Regarding shoes: I always keep a pair of flip flops to air out my feet and avoid my shoes smelling. Also carry extra pairs of socks but you already mentioned that. I've gotten fungus before.

Lol, learn from a pro. Tie both of your backpack's handles together (i do it with the belt) and carry it across your spine or slightly to your side. When you're jogging hold it on your side with one hand. No better alternative than this. Easy to take it on/off. Slide it on your belly if you get into some bazaar or need to take something out.
Peanut butter is great food no? Make it yourself don't buy it from a supermarket.
A whip that can crack is extremely cheap where I live because horse carriages are still a thing. I've found it indispensible against stray dogs that start running cause I'm running. It makes a loud popping sound like a petard.
If I get any more ideas I'll post them later : )

Great contribution!
Flip Flops are another must have and they are even required in pretty much at any building you'd take shelter in.
It's simply good manners to never enter a building with dirty shoes to keep the floors clean and the host happy.
They are added to the packing list as a "green item"

I don't get what you mean with "backpack handles", are you maybe refering to the shoulder straps ?
If you could elaborate I will gladly add that technique to the backpack section, giving you credit of course.

Never had to deal with stray dogs before and a whip sounds like a legit way to keep them off you.
I figure if I ever get to hike in parts of Spain, eastern Europe or the Balkan states where they could have a stray dog problem, I'll just get by with my hiking poles as a deterent. Traditionally pilgrims got by with having a staff and maybe even a sling so I guess I'll be OK.

Peanutbutter is indeed great, but only in moderation. If you don't eat enough additional food with it to defuse the fat, you won't be able to digest it properly and there will be some obvious side effects that aren't that bad but should be avoided anyways...

 

[el_4aba7]

I don't get what you mean with "backpack handles", are you maybe refering to the shoulder straps ?

I'll post a couple of pictures of the backpack, apologise of the pajamas:

It's just like you've drawn it. You have to hold it down with one hand opposite to the shoulder carrying the straps like in the pic for running. No kind of padding or fancy belts compare.
And also here's the whip:

 

[Newfag14]

It's just like you've drawn it. You have to hold it down with one hand opposite to the shoulder carrying the straps like in the pic for running. No kind of padding or fancy belts compare.

That's actually an interesting idea to basically convert ones backpack to a sling bag.
I can see some utility in that for a day of trail running or similar activities.
I'd add a small side note that sling bags or a backpack improvised into a sling bag can be considered if one has to haul only a lighter load.

 

[Val Bach the Cobbler]

Never bothered with hiking poles but I'd occasionally cut down a stave and use that. It needs to be taller than you and thick enough to not flex when you have your weight on it. Good for poking your way through deep snow and balancing while going up or down hills. Can also hit people with it. Gandalf knew where it's at.

If budget is important, yes opt for sticks. Half the fun is finding one that fits you. My opinion on hiking poles, they do help a lot, but they more-so help the average hiker across the board. I've hiked my whole life, with hiking every weekend growing up, always opted for a stick. It was only until the last 15 years poles became super popular. My mom uses poles but she is older, she is in a ton of hiking groups and the majority of hikers (all ages) use poles. These are 15-20 mile hikes, not sunday strolls. I'm a gymcell so I don't really feel like I need them, but I love picking up a stick at the start of a hike, and saying goodbye when you leave. Obviously they will help the more and more equipment you have, but you can find stick on the trail.

Personally I think water bladders are the way to go over bottles, you can pack them easier, and the tube lets you drink without having to unpack/repack or carry the bottle constantly.

In my experience the longer the hike the greater the return on investment is for a bladder. The cleaning is a pain, but after a 20-30 mile hike, you'll be thankful for the convenience. Plus you can always take a extra bottle on top of the bladder. They are shockingly durable too, I had one camelbak for like years.

 

[Frostnipped Todger]

So I'm out tonight on a practice/rehearsal camp before hunting season really kicks off next weekend.
This is pretty much my summer set up, but very little changes into winter.
What you can see is a DD Frontline hammock, an Alton Goods 3x3m tarp, and a DD gear sling (the little guy underneath). What you can't see is the Alton Goods inflatable mattress, and the One Planet sleeping bag.
All up this is close to $1000 Australian, but you could easily cut costs on the tarp and the mattress. If you're willing to carry more weight, sleeping bags can be quite cheap as well, but i figured that I'd just buy 1 sleeping bag to fulfil all my needs.

 

[OrionBalls]

I always take all the water I'm going to need for the entire trip, even if it's a three day. I learned the hard way that You can't always count on springs in the Summer. Half of my carry weight ends up being water.

 

[Newfag14]

I always take all the water I'm going to need for the entire trip, even if it's a three day. I learned the hard way that You can't always count on springs in the Summer. Half of my carry weight ends up being water.

100% valid approach to water, more so if you don't know the place where you are hiking through that well.
Will add a small note to the topic of water.

*Edit: turns out I already adressed the topic, no note needed

 

[Newfag14]

Things I will add and would love to have advice on:

- The best ways on how to deal with bugs, especially ticks and mosquitos
- How to deal with wild animals (I will add a part about domestic lifestock)
- Amateur photography / video capture on a cheap budget
- How to better calculate how much food and water to bring on a hike
- More Info on wich boots to get
- What knife to carry
- More Info on Rainproof / Windproof clothing
etc ...

Next bigger Update will most likely be on the 09th of march 2025

 

[el_4aba7]

I wanna scratch my peanut butter recommendation; it's a new thing I tried still and I think it lowers blood pressure... I'm not sure but I'll be back with an update.

 

[beautiful person]

- How to deal with wild animals (I will add a part about domestic lifestock)

Most wild animals will actively avoid humans unless there's something wrong with it, like it's injured and/or starving, or it's a mother and you inadvertently got too close to its kids (even if you don't see them, they could be hiding nearby, which is enough of a threat to the mom). If you do end up staring down an angry bear or cougar, for example, do not turn your back to it under any circumstances. Walk backwards away from it until it gets over whatever is pissing it off. Spread your arms out to make yourself look bigger (if you have a jacket to spread behind yourself like a cape, that helps), and don't be afraid to make noise.

This video is a good example of how to handle an animal situation even when you're freaking the fuck out:

- Amateur photography / video capture on a cheap budget

My smartphone camera is usually sufficient, though I'm also usually just taking close-up pics of plants and fungi. It doesn't work very well for taking pictures of things at a distance. Some cheap digital cameras might be good for this, though.

 

[888Flux]

The best ways on how to deal with bugs, especially ticks and mosquitos

DEET-based products will always be the most effective. If you're in an environment where there is a excessive concentration of tics or mosquitos you want 100% DEET.
100% DEET can damage clothing over time but Lyme's disease is far worse. Lyme's disease can leave permanent and lasting health consequences.

30% DEET is also an option

Permethin or picardin or whatever other alternatives out there don't work. I'd say they are half effective as DEET.

I always take all the water I'm going to need for the entire trip, even if it's a three day. I learned the hard way that You can't always count on springs in the Summer. Half of my carry weight ends up being water.

What does your setup look like for water? looking for new options that don't suck.

 

[Concerned Citizen]

Other than steep terrain, what's the usage argument for hiking poles?

What's the mechanical argument that they are useful in offsetting fatigue?

People use it where I'm at to increase calorie expenditure - called Nordic Walking. I fucking hate the things: people wave them around blindly as they stand about talking. I get it for very steep landscape, though would never use them myself.

https://www.verywellfit.com/nordic-walking-3432907

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

This video is a good example of how to handle an animal situation even when you're freaking the fuck out:

Those bluff charges were terrifying.

Pretty good technique of keeping front to the cougar threat the whole time, minus wasting a free hand recording with his phone for 6 mins.

My Monday morning quarterback instinct was to bend down to pick up some gravel or rocks as projectiles the whole time.

But I can see the argument that one wouldn't want to stop backtracking or assume a vulnerable position where you get charged while crouched.

People use it where I'm at to increase calorie expenditure - called Nordic Walking.

Of course it was dreamed up by the fucking Finns.

Also, By adding the upper body workout, calorie-burning is increased 10 to 20% increase yet with no increase in how hard the walker feels they are exercising. Nordic walkers get a "total body" workout without feeling like they are working any harder than just walking.

Kind of surprised the extra energy expenditure is so low.

I suppose it takes a lot of energy to propel one's fat ass forward a step.

 

[The Stranger]

If you do end up staring down an angry bear or cougar, for example, do not turn your back to it under any circumstances. Walk backwards away from it until it gets over whatever is pissing it off. Spread your arms out to make yourself look bigger (if you have a jacket to spread behind yourself like a cape, that helps), and don't be afraid to make noise.

This is dangerous advice. It depends on the animal. Always research the wildlife that's in the area you'll be hiking and what to do if you have a close encounter.

Anyways, I'm glad there's a hiking thread. I'm going on my first hiking trip (done plenty of "hiking" in the service, just never gone on a full trip before) here in July. Will be going 43 miles in 6 days so pretty moderate pace. I had to get a bunch of new gear but I decided to go the "buy once, cry once" route and got expensive stuff. I don't like synthetics so I got merino wool undershirts, socks, and underwear and a waxed canvas backpack and poncho. Also got a new pair of boots that I'll have to break in before the trip.

 

[Frostnipped Todger]

The best ways on how to deal with bugs, especially ticks and mosquitos

I'm based in Australia, so my experience is different from most on here; basically mosquitoes and other biting insects are dealt with by insect repellent. I use a brand called "Bushman" which works for Ticks, Leeches, Mosquitoes etc. It's not the nicest stuff (you end up with an oily film on your skin, and it's awful if you sweat it into your eyes), but it works.

Edit: it comes in 20, 40, and 80% DEET. I generally use the 40%, and haven't had any issues.

How to deal with wild animals

I'm only likely to get attacked by snakes, so I wear canvas gaiters over my pants. They also protect against thorns and branches that would otherwise snag your clothes/legs.

How to better calculate how much food and water to bring on a hike

I calculate minimum of 2 litres per day, ideally 3. It will depend on weather conditions, and the terrain, as climbing hills will make you sweat a lot more than strolling through meadows. Always have 2-4 litres left in your vehicle. You can push through the last hour or so thirsty if you know there's water waiting for you.
A Lifestraw or similar water filter is a good investment, as you can top up your water supply on the trail.

What knife to carry

If you need an actual knife, you really can't go past a Mora Companion (especially the stainless model). The keep a great edge, and are cheap enough that you can abuse them with a clear conscience. Strong enough to baton firewood if you need, but small and sharp enough that you can skin and butcher a deer if you want to.
If you're not in need of a "real" knife, that weight and space might be better utilised for a multitool. I'd recommend the Leatherman Rebar (not cheap, but it has a 25 year warranty, so it's a good investment).