I'm pro gun, but I'm interested in asking this thread. How would YOU propose solving the school shooting question? I know its common to compare shootings to other deaths and say they aren't as bad, I'm not looking for an answer like that, I'm just curious how to solve this in particular. Personally I think like 1-2 armed security guards would be a great deterrent and might significantly improve the situation
Mass shooters happen when nobody in a community gives a fuck about the town psycho(s). They are built from isolation, abuse and mental illness. There are a ton of mentally ill people who never shoot up a school. It's the societal rejection and indifference, on
top of a mental illness that suppresses rational thought. I would re-open state hospitals for the terminally mentally ill. Better the taxpayer put them in a comfortable facility than to pay for them to be in prison + welfare.
Also, what would people think about limiting gun sales to only pistols/hunting rifles for people under 21, and then they can get other guns? Would someone <21 need to even buy any other type of gun?
The law is the opposite for a reason. Long guns are impossible to hide, a person with an AR-15 is immediately recognized as being armed. With a pistol, I could conceal it and walk wherever I need to before I start shooting. With an AR-15 I have to start shooting at the door because there is no hiding my intent. It is illegal for people under 21 to purchase handguns.
I'm going to stop the neg-rating waterboarding. I did not know it was considered torture. They told me it was "enhanced opinioned reaction". By the way, should we give Guantanamo bay prisoners, who did not get due process for being imprisoned guns? It's their liberty against the Us Gov's tyranny after all.
They had their guns, fully automatic rifles in fact. They got captured anyway. Probably because the people who captured them also had automatic rifles (and better aim)
They are hardly US citizens as far as I am aware. They can get guns, if they are legally able, at their own country.
They're not even in the US. Although I support giving them all rifles and ammo and letting them create an Islamic Caliphate in communist Cuba. It would be worth it for the drone footage alone.
I mean, just logically speaking, handguns and shotguns are much more effective in close-confines like a school, and obviously a handgun is very easy to conceal. Plus basically any handgun and most shotguns are going to be far cheaper than an AR-15, with cheaper ammo to boot.
Moreover it takes little to no effort to add a giggle switch to a glock or glock-style pistol and make it fully automatic.
The main reason shooters started using AR-derivatives is because they saw that CNN and other media stopped talking about the shooters that used handguns and would just talk about Columbine again if a shotgun was involved. This is likely why Virginia Tech, again, the deadliest school shooting in US history, is barely mentioned by politicians or media figures but some rando with an AR-15 gets mentioned after every attack even a decade later. The media basically tells mentally ill people that the only way to get attention is to attack very young children at a school while using an AR-15. Anything else, and the media will bury your story faster than a black man driving into a Christmas parade.
Exactly. They need shock and horror to get attention, and a mass shooting with a handgun is so 2002.
Are you selectively being stupid? Rewatch the Christchurch video and tell me that handguns are shotguns are "much more effective in close-confines" than ARs- Fuck me, what a brain dead take.
You can kill people with a BB gun if you aim right. People are super not-bulletproof.
Logic suggests they are. But, here you go, some scientific proof.
On close range (depending on the ammo) shotguns are more damaging, deadly, and effective than rifles. In fact, shotguns are the ideal close range weapons. Many revolvers
likewise are more useful close range.
That is not to say AR15 is useless, rather that there's a good reason why
82% of all mass shootings since 1998 used hanguns in addition to other weapons, and 60% if we take them solo.
I would rather be shot by an AR-15 (.223 or 5.56mm FMJ) 10 times out of 10 vs. a .45 ACP hollow point. The .45 is going to kill whoever it hits way more often.
I wonder if the kids killed in Uvalde in that hour would have cared. A revolver or an AR, if your target is trapped and unarmed, they are as good as dead.
The really weird thing is if all those kids charged him at once, probably only 2-3 of them would be dead. Going back to that Christchurch shooting, that one courageous arab dude charging the shooter damn near took him down. If 5 people would have charged him, he would have been fucked. People need to be more courageous and take their lives into their own hands.
