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The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers
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Whoopi goldberg's comments were so odd.
The holocaust is not about race. She confidently said and repeated. Rare to hear a (((goldberg))) saying something like that. But it's not uncommon for mixed people to seek kind of universal and unifying explanation for things, as there is the challenge of identity and bridging between two worlds.
It also never ceases to amaze me how little women will challenge something like that. It is stunning how little pushback she got. I mean kelly osbourne got immediate pushback when she out her foot in her mouth, but goldberg just received more rope to hang herself with.
Also a good example how someone gets a pretty serious warning and pushback for not even denying the holocaust but simply having a bad (objectively) interpretation of it. So much for america and their freedom of speech. She pretty much immediately apologized after the show for being wrong, but still needed to be ojnished apparently.
Bonesjones
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"Jews don't control the media and other industries and if you dare imply they do we will make sure you never work again"
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Ironically. Whoopi's not jewish, or mixed-jew. She's a black woman who changed her last name to be jewish because her mother thought that if she didn't have a jewish surname she couldn't make it in Hollywood.
This is the funniest joke this woman ever told.
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Here's something to go with this bit of theater.
We have to delay the podcast another week or few days.
In the meantime I can take final questions if anyone has them.
And I will again remind you of Rapechu earlier:
"There are massive gaps in public knowledge, but I think it is probably wishful thinking that most of the jews survived, and I can't find any evidence to support this."
He's the only one here that looked, and I provided him the best revisionist sources on the matter.
In the meantime I can take final questions if anyone has them.
And I will again remind you of Rapechu earlier:
"There are massive gaps in public knowledge, but I think it is probably wishful thinking that most of the jews survived, and I can't find any evidence to support this."
He's the only one here that looked, and I provided him the best revisionist sources on the matter.
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I rated this disagree earlier and it was a very mild disagree honestly. I guess the one thing that made me do it, is because of the unclarity of what definition of holocaust you mean.Ok ok hold on
"The left" exploits the holocaust for their interests, but that's ok because
"The right" exploited 9/11 for their interests.
See, I'm convinced the holocaust happened because the jews are just that bad. Look at how they've milked it to gain political power over every country that helped them, let alone Germany. It's disgusting how little they care for all the values they demand out of those who they clearly see as inferior. They project everything from supremacy to sociopathy on to others. The propaganda and subversion are endless, undeniable yet unreal. The literal plot of a blockbuster video game series is white people can't be forgiven, in any multiverse, and must die. A childish "no you times infinity". After the war, instead of reflecting on anything they did, they've gone on a cultural crusade against all that could question the way they believe the world should be. They have made it effectively illegal for entities to be right wing. Read about how much influence Freud had in and beyond his field, not despite, but because his work was designed to undermine modes of being that could challenge the desires of the jewish personality type. This doesn't even get in to how they behaved before the war. The revolutions, the Wiemar Republic. It's really not surprising that people, after trying everything within reason to tell the vision international finance had for their country off, resorted to physically removing the agents of international finance. In modern times, these agents have diversified, but their roots, and their greatest ally, remain the same.
In short, I believe the holocaust happened because they deserved it. Though, in line with how vile they are, the reality of it has been inflated and the prominence of it overstated.
Don't even start with the "not all". It's not my fault if you've had your ability to act on group level dynamics permanently impaired by those who wish for a monopoly over it. Imagine not being racist because of a percentile of nice black guys only to let hundreds of millions suffer under the ongoing consequences which I don't even have to state.
I didn't really do you justice because it was a well thought out position.
I have these questions:
1. Do you think mass gas chambers were used?
2. Do you think 6 million died?
3. What (roughly) percentage of that death count was state sanctioned genocide?
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If the Nazis invaded the US and liberated the Internment camps, would Goebbels make up fantastical stories of Jap incinerators and burgercoasters? Would a Nazi victory 80 years later see such tales as fundamentally true and illgeal to question? Lastly would the US actally have started killing off their interned Japanese Americans in order to prioritize feeding their own citizens and realocate resources? Would the German goverment lynch the likes of Eisenhower and FDR for bringing such harm to East Ayrans in a post war reverse Nuremburg?
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I am aware, and I don't disagree with him (I'm more of an exterminationist than he is, probably). I like that he's still active, s'all.
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The short version is that he started going by another name and it was before the internet was so big, so he could get away with it for a while. IIRC he got involved with some right leaning publication or republican radio thing, and eventually was outed in more recent years. He even went on the ralph retort and talked about it.
He writes edgy conservative stuff for Taki Mag which occasionally gets shout outs from Ann Coulter . Still he seems to be friends with leftist types and holocaust supporters like A Mathis from HC blog
for some reason this is heartening feel good shit for me
We're going to do the podcast TOMORROW at 8 PM EST. Explained here. I'm sorry for the delay.
I think I'll stream it on youtube to allow people to make live comments. It's understandable for those addled with conspiracy brain to avoid discussion over voice chat (though I think the real reason is lack of confidence in beliefs--it's easier to argue via text), but there should be no qualms with interacting with us thru chat.
Since Rapechu, my last viable opponent, ghosted from this forum 2 months ago, I'll provide a refresher of some memorable moments from the discussions I've had here
In which a denier provided me with a figure for energy cost of destroying millions of bodies and I showed that this likely overestimate would constitute a negligible portion of German yearly energy production + pale in comparison to the cost of keeping millions of non-working Jews alive in partisan infested USSR.
In which Rapechu made The argument that Germans clearly using coded language to describe killing Jews were actually attempting to hide atrocities from their superiors, while at the same time massively inflating numbers of Jews they killed to impress their superiors
In which Rapechu's star witness admitted something ("on the other hand we do know that the Germans are out to destroy Jews of any age unless they are fit for manual labour") in the very document that Rapechu brought up as evidence of internal British disbelief in the holocaust
In which a cavalcade of deniers argued the Just memo was bunk because it was impossible for 8-10 malnourished Jews of all ages to fit in a square meter. To this I showed them video evidence of 9 well fed adults doing it while barely touching, and that Chinese subway cars were explicitly specd for this kind of density
In which Rapechu left the forum without explanation after many valiant efforts to show any considerable portion of non-working Jews being maintained in German controlled USSR
I'm sure there is much more to discuss, in addition to these many points. I provided a list of mostly unaddressed "interesting" evidence here
If any other memorable exchanges come to mind, I'll add to this. Otherwise I look forward to chatting with some of you TOMORROW at 8 PM EST on Youtube or Odysee (whichever is easier to stream to)
I think I'll stream it on youtube to allow people to make live comments. It's understandable for those addled with conspiracy brain to avoid discussion over voice chat (though I think the real reason is lack of confidence in beliefs--it's easier to argue via text), but there should be no qualms with interacting with us thru chat.
Since Rapechu, my last viable opponent, ghosted from this forum 2 months ago, I'll provide a refresher of some memorable moments from the discussions I've had here
In which a denier provided me with a figure for energy cost of destroying millions of bodies and I showed that this likely overestimate would constitute a negligible portion of German yearly energy production + pale in comparison to the cost of keeping millions of non-working Jews alive in partisan infested USSR.
In which Rapechu made The argument that Germans clearly using coded language to describe killing Jews were actually attempting to hide atrocities from their superiors, while at the same time massively inflating numbers of Jews they killed to impress their superiors
In which Rapechu's star witness admitted something ("on the other hand we do know that the Germans are out to destroy Jews of any age unless they are fit for manual labour") in the very document that Rapechu brought up as evidence of internal British disbelief in the holocaust
In which a cavalcade of deniers argued the Just memo was bunk because it was impossible for 8-10 malnourished Jews of all ages to fit in a square meter. To this I showed them video evidence of 9 well fed adults doing it while barely touching, and that Chinese subway cars were explicitly specd for this kind of density
In which Rapechu left the forum without explanation after many valiant efforts to show any considerable portion of non-working Jews being maintained in German controlled USSR
I'm sure there is much more to discuss, in addition to these many points. I provided a list of mostly unaddressed "interesting" evidence here
If any other memorable exchanges come to mind, I'll add to this. Otherwise I look forward to chatting with some of you TOMORROW at 8 PM EST on Youtube or Odysee (whichever is easier to stream to)
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It's funny going back in memory lane for all these topics and seeing all the unanswered questions. If I thought there was anything of good faith in chugger, I'd go and list them, but what's the point of getting giving the runaround the 7th 8th 9th time.
I'll leave that easter hunt to anyone that stumbles into this thread. And leave the most pertinent: after almost universal agreement that the podcast is a bad idea, chugger chugs along, and does not answer the question: how is this in the interest of people on the kiwifarms?
Good luck in your words "goading" the people you might talk to.
I'll leave that easter hunt to anyone that stumbles into this thread. And leave the most pertinent: after almost universal agreement that the podcast is a bad idea, chugger chugs along, and does not answer the question: how is this in the interest of people on the kiwifarms?
Good luck in your words "goading" the people you might talk to.
hate speech making fun of the conspiracy brained is currently allowed on youtube
Me methodically discrediting Holocaust denial (Debate) (Begins at 17:00)
Part 1 of 2.
www.youtube.com
nevertheless I'm putting it up there only so people have an accessible platform where they can directly interact with me thru chat, if they're reticent to talk
I'm sure there were questions I didn't answer cuz as often I was talking to many people at once, and people brought up multiple points per post. At the end Rapechu was throwing 10 arguments at me at once. I like to answer questions thoroughly so I couldn't answer all of them, since I'm not that generous with my time. You will be able to ask me anything to my face tonight and gauge how easy it is for me to answer.
The podcast series is not gonna be about holocaust denial, but rather an exploration of various marginalized groups on the internet. So this single episode features the holo deniers I've been talking to on K farms, after we plan to move on.
"how is this in the interest of people on the kiwifarms?"
I answered this before but I'll do so in more detail
for the 2/3s of Kiwis that believe the Holocaust happened, you will get sheer entertainment and perhaps the chance to ask me questions you may be curious about (infotainment)
for the 1/3 that deny, I offer you a chance (or extremely high probability?) of publicly embarrassing me and scoring one for the revisionist cause. Not that I'm important or whatever, but a video of me melting down in the face of your troubling questions would be good PR to throw around
In my message I told my friend 'gently goad', meaning good natured ribbing, nicer than a lot of what I get here--
do you have a problem with good old fashioned ribbing? it's fun and is in fact the MO of this entire forum
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Seeing how quickly and how pervasively the war propaganda out of Ukraine is spread by a compliant media and accepted by the majority of the West - it is so eerily similar to how the various Holocaust narratives were spread and accepted at face value.
What people don't realize is the amount of fantastic and obvious false accounts during and immediately after the war which were even used as proof during the Nuremberg trials but were later "conveniently forgotten."
Things like the "Ghost of Kiev" and "13 Soldier Martyrs of Snake Island" had their counterparts in early holocaust stories.
What people don't realize is the amount of fantastic and obvious false accounts during and immediately after the war which were even used as proof during the Nuremberg trials but were later "conveniently forgotten."
Things like the "Ghost of Kiev" and "13 Soldier Martyrs of Snake Island" had their counterparts in early holocaust stories.