The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Lemmingwise]

I know Rapechu

There were even a few touching moments where I feel we really connected over our research

This is some delusional level of recollection of what went down.

Unless you were deeply touched when after you started whining and crying about his bants that he reassured you they were just bants. And now he's gone, every time you post about him, what happened is changed. If he does still lurk the forum without logging in, do you delusionally think he would view things as you just described?

Deniers emphasize the fuel costs of exterminating Jews, but never mention the money Germany made from plundering everything the murdered Jews had on their persons

Yes, as we all know, during the kind of total war of the second world war, it's money that truly wins wars, lmao. Maybe kindled the bodies with money. Or as another memoir of the holocaust said "they used the fat of women to burn the bodies".

 

[History Speaks]

This is some delusional level of recollection of what went down.

Unless you were deeply touched when after you started whining and crying about his bants that he reassured you they were just bants. And now he's gone, every time you post about him, what happened is changed. If he does still lurk the forum without logging in, do you delusionally think he would view things as you just described?


Yes, as we all know, during the kind of total war of the second world war, it's money that truly wins wars, lmao. Maybe kindled the bodies with money. Or as another memoir of the holocaust said "they used the fat of women to burn the bodies".

You can buy fuel and produce armaments with money. Come on you are being deliberately obtuse man.

 

[Lemmingwise]

You can buy fuel and armaments with money.

From whom? America? UK? South Africa? Where will they buy fuel and armaments from?

Fucking academics. It used to mean something to have a degree.

 

[History Speaks]

From whom? America? UK? South Africa? Where will they buy fuel and armaments from?

Fucking academics. It used to mean something to have a degree.

They needed money to buy oil from Romania. They also needed money to buy iron ore from Sweden and chrome from Turkey, not to mention they needed money to pay and feed their soldiers and workers in armaments factories.

Do you really think imports were not important to Germany during the war?

 

[Lemmingwise]

They needed money to buy oil from Romania. They also needed money to buy iron from Sweden and chrome from Turkey, not to mention they needed money to pay and feed their soldiers and workers in armaments factories.

Do you really think imports were not important to Germany during the war?

What do you think would happen to sweden if they refused to accept whatever trade german demanded after they conquered norway and had troops stationed in finland? It's a traditional plomo or plata situation. Just because money changes hands, doesn't mean we're talking about a trade that purely depends on the money offered. This is a kind of gunboat diplomacy.

And do you think romanian oil supply towards germany was any less motivated by geopolitics rather than financial incentives? It's pretty funny that just a couple of posts ago you were complaining about how stupid people were, lol. You're supposed to be the expert on this subject and you need some rando like me to inform you about these things?

Just one more question; you seemed to think that you could educate the youngsters into abandoning their self-destructive views as a result of memes.... is it going as well as you expected when you dreamed about it in your head?

 

[Chugger]

This is some delusional level of recollection of what went down.

Unless you were deeply touched when after you started whining and crying about his bants that he reassured you they were just bants. And now he's gone, every time you post about him, what happened is changed. If he does still lurk the forum without logging in, do you delusionally think he would view things as you just described?

Hey man, don't get between me and my Rapechu. I'm not saying it was perfect between us, but at times he liked some of my posts, defended me against the louts, and most importantly at the end he was taking my questions seriously and giving thoughtful response. I think you're just jealous because you've never had a history buddy like this. The truth is you're too guarded.

I think Rapechu is in a better place now and I'm happy for him. Kiwifarms and the Holocaust e-debate circuit are pretty toxic environments. But I think he would be on my side, yeah

 

[mr.moon1488]

So just making sure, but I'm not the only one who thinks @History Speaks is a @Chugger sock right?


I mean, normal people have normal lives and interests and shit and this is not what normal looks like.



@Chugger /@History Speaks
Nigger, this isn't Twitter.

 

[History Speaks]

So just making sure, but I'm not the only one who thinks @History Speaks is a @Chugger sock right?


I mean, normal people have normal lives and interests and shit and this is not what normal looks like.
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@Chugger /@History Speaks
Nigger, this isn't Twitter.

I have been moving the last couple days and cleared my schedule accordingly. I have had far too much free time on my hands in between packing. I will not be engaging here so regularly in the future, although I will stop in.

And LOL, everyone thinks chugger must be my sock (or am I his?), not just here but on codoh and TRS. but it is not true. Chugger you should call into one of my streams sometime to dispel this, but if you have been able to pass yourself off as me that is to your credit.

 

[Lemmingwise]

So just making sure, but I'm not the only one who thinks @History Speaks is a @Chugger sock right?

No, because they both have a different posting style and different tics in their typing.

The three things they share is that they are single issue posters on the kiwifarms, they want to launch their internet career failing to dunk on said kiwifarm, and they refuse to acknowledge any of the legion of inconsistencies in the holocaust story and are trying to resell it wholesale to people who have been burned buying it the first time around.

 

[mr.moon1488]

No, because they both have a different posting style and different tics in their typing.

The three things they share is that they are single issue posters on the kiwifarms, they want to launch their internet career failing to dunk on said kiwifarm, and they refuse to acknowledge any of the legion of inconsistencies in the holocaust story and are trying to resell it wholesale to people who have been burned buying it the first time around.

Imo, the shit is sus as fuck, but alright.

 

[Haramburger]

First, you are quite stupid.

Back at you; when you want to post, try to collect your thoughts and respond to multiple people at a time in a single post.

This is bad:

It eats up post count, looks bad when browsing and pushes out other users per page, and there's zero reason why you couldn't condense these thoughts into a single post. It's a breach of unspoken bulletin board etiquette along the lines of posting in all capital letters.

This is good:


I'm not sure if the Holocaust was quite as severe as we are led to believe, but if the Jews posted like this they would deserve everything Mengele did to them and more.

 

[Bonesjones]

Imo, the shit is sus as fuck, but alright.

Its infinitely more likely they both met on some other message board, got repeatedly owned, and came here. Oh look who is in chugger's thread on Codoh. Imagine my shock.

Chugger thinks they would use 1/600 of their annual fuel to burn corpses, when by wars end they were trying to fuel vehicles with wood and coal gas. The fact there isn't huge deforestation around the "death camps" immediately disproves the notion they were doing huge amounts of wood burning.

They've been tricked into thinking manipulation of quotes and paperwork can add up to the physically impossible and being stupid kids with no experience on matters of industry believe it all.

 

[Chugger]

Chugger you should call into one of my streams sometime to dispel this, but if you have been able to pass yourself off as me that is to your credit

No all I did was link to your debate, and some dude on Codoh not familiar with this thread jumped to conclusions. I don't think anyone here thought I was you until now. Where do you stream?

Chugger thinks they would use 1/600 of their annual fuel to burn corpses, when by wars end they were trying to fuel vehicles with wood and coal gas.

And you think they would use 50x that amount, "260 million gallons", of fuel equivalent each year feeding and housing millions of non-working Jews in the Russian hinterland, where btw millions of Slavs were starving to death each year because of the Germans' inability or disinterest in feeding them (food was another finite, super in demand resource)

Just to make a point of comparison, which is important.

 

[Bonesjones]

No all I did was link to your debate, and some dude on Codoh not familiar with this thread jumped to conclusions. I don't think anyone here thought I was you until now. Where do you stream?


And you think they would use 50x that amount, "260 million gallons", of fuel equivalent each year feeding and housing millions of non-working Jews in the Russian hinterland, where btw millions of Slavs were starving to death each year because of the Germans' inability or disinterest in feeding them (food was another finite, super in demand resource)

Just to make a point of comparison, which is important.

Its not a point of comparison, it's a point that has to be addressed directly. If you can't prove they used these resources for cremation, then the cremation didn't happen. This isn't something that can be ignored or misdirected. The key point of the Holocaust is the gassing and cremation of over 1 million people at Auschwitz. So again put up or shut up nigger. There is zero way to handwave this away by saying "but what about.."

Its just another thing you can't address because there is zero evidence for it. Which means your arguement falls apart. This means the holocaust is a lie. There is no way around addressing this directly.

 

[Stabmaster Arson]

So over 1 million people starved to death. Does it follow from this that they would keep millions of non-working Jews alive nearby?

We know this is why a lot of camp inhabitants died. Supply lines cut, not enough food.

You can even see them looking thin in the liberation photos.

Thanks for propping up the denier argument.

 

[History Speaks]

We know this is why a lot of camp inhabitants died. Supply lines cut, not enough food.

You can even see them looking thin in the liberation photos.

Thanks for propping up the denier argument.

The Germans allocated the Polish Jews whom they ghettoized a starvation diet long before their supply lines were crippled by allied bombings. I have already shared a 1942 German documents in which Hans Frank, the head of the General Government (which ran most of nazi occupied Poland), talks of condemning 1.2 million polish Jews to death by hunger. Again this was way before there were any serious issues with supply lines.

 

[Chugger]

There is no way around addressing this directly.

In the case of the Reinhard camps (I don't know about the other ones), as I did before I'll admit there's no evidence of fuel being brought in. There's no evidence of anything being brought into these camps actually, including construction materials, food, you name it. There's a document by Globocnik, who headed Reinhard, saying he destroyed all paperwork related to the camps.

So short answer, there is no evidence here.

But is there evidence of any supplies being brought to the millions of resettled Jews in USSR, or evidence of this mass resettlement happening at all? There is no way around addressing this directly. You'll probably say something to the effect of "I'm the one who gets to ask questions around here bub!" or you will ignore this. After all, you dodge my questions so much you might have a career as a running back

But for your sake you should answer this time, and think about your answer.

We know this is why a lot of camp inhabitants died. Supply lines cut, not enough food.

You can even see them looking thin in the liberation photos.

Thanks for propping up the denier argument.

It doesn't seem like you're following me here: I'm talking about the Jews deported to camps into which they "disappeared". Revisionists think they were actually resettled, mostly in USSR territory.

https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_demographics#.22Where_did_they_go.3F.22

Note the revisionist encyclopedia doesn't answer it's own question.

 

[Bonesjones]

In the case of the Reinhard camps (I don't know about the other ones), as I did before I'll admit there's no evidence of fuel being brought in. There's no evidence of anything being brought into these camps actually, including construction materials, food, you name it. There's a document by Globocnik, who headed Reinhard, saying he destroyed all paperwork related to the camps.

So short answer, there is no evidence here.

But is there evidence of any supplies being brought to the millions of resettled Jews in USSR, or evidence of this mass resettlement happening at all? There is no way around addressing this directly. You'll probably say something to the effect of "I'm the one who gets to ask questions around here bub!" or you will ignore this. After all, you dodge my questions so much you might have a career as a running back

But for your sake you should answer this time, and think about your answer.


It doesn't seem like you're following me here: I'm talking about the Jews deported to camps into which they "disappeared". Revisionists think they were actually resettled, mostly in USSR territory.

https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_demographics#.22Where_did_they_go.3F.22

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Note the revisionist encyclopedia doesn't answer it's own question.

If you don't have the materials to cremate millions of jews, you can't gas millions of jews. If you can't do either, then the rest is irrelevant. So your admission is holocaust denial. You are a holocaust denier now. Nothing else matters.

Again we are arguing the holocaust, nothing else. We can speculate on the fate of or capability of whatever but that isn't the central point.

This isn't a thing you can dodge or ignore. This is something that must be specifically addressed in totality because it is the basis of your central arguement. If you are unable to physically prove it is possible, you have no arguement.

Again this isn't the Nazis are bad and did bad things thread, this is the Holocaust thread.

 

[JohnDoe]

So just making sure, but I'm not the only one who thinks @History Speaks is a @Chugger sock right?

Unfortunately I think we all have to come to terms with the fact that there are at least two of them, sadly.

Its infinitely more likely they both met on some other message board, got repeatedly owned, and came here. Oh look who is in chugger's thread on Codoh. Imagine my shock.

No, because they both have a different posting style and different tics in their typing.

Yeah, Chugger plays these smug word games while trying to reverse the burden of proof like "account for the movement of every Jew in Europe, oh you can't? Guess I win" or conjuring up tinfoil conspiratard logic to try and explain how some Hauptmann's receipt for blotter paper combines with some photocopied Soviet interrogation notes to prove the existence of a Voltron style Holocaust mecha.
Or he does funny stuff like literal two posts up;
"All the paperwork that might have proved a billion Jews were cremated at the Reinhard camps was completely destroyed, therefore proving me correct forever and ever, you cannot possibly attack my theory that a billion Jews were Holocoastered!"
"Meanwhile, your stupid resettlement theory has no evidence for it, therefore it must be false! Man, you deniers are so stupid, you can't even defend the strawmen I assign to you!"

History Speaks has a much more straightforward, juvenile style, where he just completely misunderstands how the world works in general. I'm guessing he might have just had his bat mitzvah, or whatever, he really radiates that smug early teenage ignorance. Newsflash, Shelia Shekelstein will not let you touch her boobs, dude. Focus on your accounting studies and attract her with designer clothes and cars, instead of posting dumb shit like;
"Foolish goy, if you build a kettle efficiently enough you can evaporate a gallon of water with a single matchstick!"

 

[Chugger]

this is the Holocaust thread.

Primarily the part of the Holocaust that we're debating is the German decision to kill the non-employable Jews , 60-80% of the total Jews they had according to their documents.

You believe they weren't killed, rather they were resettled somewhere. Are you saying it's not important or relevant that there is no evidence of this?

"account for the movement of every Jew in Europe, oh you can't? Guess I win"

If millions of non-employable Jews had been resettled by the Germans, doubtless there would be documentary and witness testimony allowing us to account for them, as in the case of Transnistria , an area managed by the Romanians.



But they weren't resettled, so you can't account for even a tiny fraction of the Jews in question, a single community. It never happened.