The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

The most overrated genocide in history, especially it's not the first (Armenian Genocide) nor the last (the Rwandan and Cambodian Genocides are way more recent).

 

[Dojima's Dragon]

Honestly the holocaust is overrated was it bad yes BUT does it compare to the horrific genocides committed by the turks and commies lol no

 

[Linako 2.0]

Honestly the holocaust is overrated was it bad yes BUT does it compare to the horrific genocides committed by the turks and commies lol no

It's more marketable, have you considered that?

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

Honestly the holocaust is overrated was it bad yes BUT does it compare to the horrific genocides committed by the turks and commies lol no

The only Nazi's who've been doing the malicious killings were traitors of Adolf Hitler and well as new generations of Nazi's (ex. Neo Nazi's, Ukrainian Nazi's, Operation Paperclip Nazi's and those who pretended to be Nazi's) and the only things where the Holocaust resembles the photos are after the Allied bombings of the camps. The fact they keep lowering the number estimates show they're not honest about the camps at all.

 

[Lord Xenu]

Does anyone know of an archive with all the episodes of Ernst Zundel's AVOF? Internet archive has a lock on most of the episodes (when did that happen?) Also, has anyone seen this supposed 11 part series called "The Heritage Front Hoax" that Zundel made about Canadian "intelligence" agencies and the Heritage Front? I can only find Part 1 but I've seen references in old posts to it being a series.

 

[Male Idiot]

Daddy Adolf's crowning work and ya'll being sceptic about it.

Well either that, or he got too bombed to feed the slaves.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

Does anyone know of an archive with all the episodes of Ernst Zundel's AVOF?

I know I've got it on one of my hard drives.

It's more marketable, have you considered that?

I don't think it was that marketable at all.

If anything it is a marketing masterwork. It was distilled to a couple of very small ideas, it got its own branded word, and then it got millions put into books films and documentaries in the 70s. Because prior to that marketing push it wasn't reffered to as a holocaust, or rather "the" holocaust.

Seriously, what would make it so marketable?

From the margaret pless thread. Just wanted to give @JULAY and @RACISM a chance to respond if they wanted to:

Really? What is that physical evidence?

https://www.livescience.com/44443-treblinka-archaeological-excavation.html

I don't know about all the other links posted but I know this isn't very good evidence. In that treblinka excavation they stopped after finding only a couple of human bones. And they stopped because they said it was against jewish traditions to disturb a gravesite, so once they had proof that there were bones there, they found sufficient evidence.

Also from that picture you can see that they're in a wooded area, while the claim about treblinka was that there is a mass grave under the large open field. Of course just a couple of hundred meters north of the field there is an abandoned christian gravesite right under the trees of a tiny forest. Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

 

[Linako 2.0]

Seriously, what would make it so marketable?

First you got to consider your audience, who is it you want to make feel bad and how closely related they are to the tragedy you're trying to sell.
the further away it is from your customers historically and geographically, the harder it is to sell because you won't have survivors (or people claiming ot be them) to make your product more marketable.

Second: introduce the concept as young as you can, that way the dogma is more deeply baked into the malleable minds of children and it sticks for the rest of your lives. if you want, you can make museums to further make the experience more personal and the trauma stronger. Create a lot of media enforcing the narrative of your product and create as much studies into your tragedy as you can so it can claim the title of most documented tragedy.

Third. Make sure that you get into those feeble minds that any questioning of the product will make the tragedy happen again, appeal to emotion and the altruism of your customer,.
If your customer questions it further, look into the free speech laws of their country to see if you can make critique of it illegal, push it with more appeal to emotion and by shaming any opponent by putting their intelligence and social standing into question. Keep pushing it until any questioning of your product makes them wonder why they would do such a thing.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

First you got to consider your audience, who is it you want to make feel bad and how closely related they are to the tragedy you're trying to sell.
the further away it is from your customers historically and geographically, the harder it is to sell because you won't have survivors (or people claiming ot be them) to make your product more marketable.

Second: introduce the concept as young as you can, that way the dogma is more deeply baked into the malleable minds of children and it sticks for the rest of your lives. if you want, you can make museums to further make the experience more personal and the trauma stronger. Create a lot of media enforcing the narrative of your product and create as much studies into your tragedy as you can so it can claim the title of most documented tragedy.

Third. Make sure that you get into those feeble minds that any questioning of the product will make the tragedy happen again, appeal to emotion and the altruism of your customer,.
If your customer questions it further, look into the free speech laws of their country to see if you can make critique of it illegal, push it with more appeal to emotion and by shaming any opponent by putting their intelligence and social standing into question. Keep pushing it until any questioning of your product makes them wonder why they would do such a thing.

With that much effort into marketing you could make people believe nearly anything. If it requires that much, it kinda proves that it wasn't marketable at all to begin with.

An example of something that was very marketable: only fans. It promises (and doesn't fulfill) that it is a place where women can sell sexy content without receiving any negative attention for it (it's only for fans). It doesn't require 3 decades of control over children's education to market it.

 

[Lord Xenu]

I know I've got it on one of my hard drives.

If you get a chance could you upload it somewhere and ping/dm me? I'm not asking you to rush, idc if its a year from now, it doesnt matter. If I find it elsewhere in the meantime I'll let you know so you don't waste your effort. Thanks.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

If you get a chance could you upload it somewhere and ping/dm me? I'm not asking you to rush, idc if its a year from now, it doesnt matter. If I find it elsewhere in the meantime I'll let you know so you don't waste your effort. Thanks.

I found an online archive and sent you a link

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

Communism is like the ideological equivalent to Heroin, it may be amazing at first but then it absolutely destroys people who were mired into it. National Socialism was made to counter that destructive ideology which thoroughly explains Mussolini dropping communism and Hitler later allying with Hirohito.

the only difference between communists and nazism was that nazism was satanic/pagan whereas communism is state atheist

I'm not making any claim in support of Hitler, stop gnashing at me with those fangs of yours. One of the primary reasons for rounding up Jews was the fact that they supposedly did cause all of the evil in Germany, from brothels to banking. They were premier pornographers, they owned much of the riches of Germany as it was going to shit, et cetera. it wasn't just for their religion that they were thrown in camps. This is the thought process Hitler had.
The fact that you have such a reductionistic view of history is telling of your true nature.

thats the fake news version. the stated purpose as reported by nazi brass was to prevent the birth of the jewsih messiah.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

it was laser focused on a competition of races in a Darwinian and spiritual struggle.

so the relgious aspect wasnt secondary

 

[potatofarms]

i occupy position infinity:
i dont care if the holohoax was real or not, nor the numbers.
i dont care about jews being expelled from every land.
but i want to see them genocided soon, and get to help.
a real litteral genocide, where their genetic line is brought to an abrupt halt, and any stored scientific samples are microwaved to ash.
all books art and poetry related to jews destroyed, all films, religious offshoots, stone tablets ground to dust.
as if they had never soiled the good earth under their feet.
if that can be brought about i will happily tolerate niggers, trannies, and reddit for the rest of my days on earth

 

[SuperShibuyaFighter]

The 40 beheaded babies thing only reaffirms my belief that the Holocaust is a lot less than actually claimed.

1 million Jews sounds a lot more realistic to me, but 6 million especially when you add up the statistics and math does not make any sense. The baby narrative shows how easy it is for Israel and Jewish people to weaponize the emotions and goodwill of people into believing a tragic thing and for them to dehumanize any one who is skeptical, so if they do that now they obviously have done that in the past.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

The 40 beheaded babies thing only reaffirms my belief that the Holocaust is a lot less than actually claimed.

1 million Jews sounds a lot more realistic to me, but 6 million especially when you add up the statistics and math does not make any sense. The baby narrative shows how easy it is for Israel and Jewish people to weaponize the emotions and goodwill of people into believing a tragic thing and for them to dehumanize any one who is skeptical, so if they do that now they obviously have done that in the past.

It gets the noggin joggin doesn't it?

i occupy position infinity:
i dont care if the holohoax was real or not, nor the numbers.
i dont care about jews being expelled from every land.
but i want to see them genocided soon, and get to help.
a real litteral genocide, where their genetic line is brought to an abrupt halt, and any stored scientific samples are microwaved to ash.
all books art and poetry related to jews destroyed, all films, religious offshoots, stone tablets ground to dust.
as if they had never soiled the good earth under their feet.
if that can be brought about i will happily tolerate niggers, trannies, and reddit for the rest of my days on earth

I didn't know palestine still had internet.

 

[Black Man Underwear]

No holes in the roof?
Wooden doors?
Auschwitz gas chambers are replicas?
Eyewitness accounts falsely place gas chambers at Dachau?
No cyanide residue?
Show me a single body?
Why are there pools and brothels?
Custom camp currency?
Auschwitz "liberators" didn't have cameras? (all "liberation photos" are recreations according to Anne Frank family)
"Death camp" inmate birth certificates?
Finally the golden question: why shave and tattoo them if they are about to die?

 

[Irredemable Retardation]

Where is the evidence for mass ressettlement to the USSR anyway?

 

[Chugger]

Where is the evidence for mass ressettlement to the USSR anyway?

I think I raised this question 200 pages ago and there's nothing, just a whole bunch of excuses like maybe all the documents were destroyed, maybe the resettled Jews were silenced (killed) by the Soviets after their liberation.

Imagine if the Holocaust had no documentary, witness, or physical evidence and the response was not to reckon with this fact but to rationalize it.

 

[Betonhaus]

Is there a good start to finish source that covers the basics of questioning the Holocaust narrative using facts and evidence? Like a movie or online archive?