The homeless - What do we think about them?

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Which do the homeless deserve:

  • Empathy

  • Neglect

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On one hand, I hate the narrative that all of them are poor victims of drug addiction that need our help. Some of them are mentally ill people whose burdens are rejected by their respective families, but a majority are just alcoholics and/or drug addicts.

On the other hand, I don’t want karma to come back to me for rejecting the demented hobos that harass me in the Wendy’s drive-thru line.

I’m truly torn.
 
I think the mentally ill ones not working to get a home or are so far off. That they can't live in a home without ruining it.
They should be put down like pests. Like, there isn't much difference from them and mice.
 
Empathy for the severely mentally ill by bringing back insane asylums with improved standard of care. I think atleast half of homeless literally have schizophrenia. Neglect everyone else.
 
There are lots of homeless who are just people falling on bad times. You don't see them causing trouble on the streets because they live in their cars, or take advantage of homeless support services. I wouldn't feel bad about helping these people.

If you see someone panhandling, or being a menace on the streets, they are either mentally ill, a drug addict, or a scam artist. They don't have anyone to help them because they trash up any shelter they live at, can't stop doing drugs (which gets them kicked out) and take advantage of people that try to help them. I knew a kid from high school who got into hard drugs. His family was pretty wealthy, so they tried multiple times to get him into rehab. He did shit like jump out of moving vans to escape and do drugs. Hes homeless and begging on the streets now.
 
Euthanize them like feral cats. Yeah it's unfair and mean, but much like feral cats they fuck up everything around them permanently and everyone is better off without them. Unlike feral cats they are not cute so I wont feel bad about it.
 
Homelessness in a normie is a temporary state of being.
 
Its a sad situation, but like half of the homeless population is there due to their own shitty decision making and are literally unsalvageable as human beings.

The other half are schizo's and others who suffer from severe mental illness that frankly they had very little control over. They are only salvageable if we reinstitute insane asylums with higher standards of care and even then most of them will remain there for the rest of their lives.

Regardless, they are incredibly dangerous to be around and will seek out any way to make money to afford their next fix (usually through theft, robbery, murder, etc.). Charity only perpetuates their sub-existence if it is not some scheme to launder money tax free (which most charities are).

I am typically not one to advocate for medical euthanasia, but honestly it would be a mercy for most homeless people. With the added bonus of helping to prevent the rest of the human population from being preyed upon by them.
 
I was raised to see homeless as equals. I've had homeless family members (crazy and willing both). I've lived in cars. My family would sometimes bring hitchhikers and bums to live in our home until we either got ripped off or they get burned out on having a roof. That was decades ago though.

All that's changed in the last five years. Bums have failed society and they deserve nothing from it.

Until people are empowered to solve their own problems there will be no solution. Business owners need to be able to beat the degenerates they find sleeping on their property. Home owners need to be able to deal violently with dirty strangers walking in their neighborhoods. Taking violence out of the hands of the state and giving it to the citizens is terrible for society, but I've reached the point where I think it's better than the alternative we have now.
 
Yeah I get it, they're drug addicts/criminals/schizos. We should take steps towards making a society where stuff like this doesn't exist. People who have great disdain for the homeless are only able to do so because they get to live under the illusion that they're completely safe from it and there isn't any unfortunate event that could happen to them which would lead financial ruin.
 
My property value goes down with the amount of homeless encampments in the area.
Pretty sick of it honestly. Ready for the firehoses.
 
I'm torn.

Because on one hand, I've been there due to DV. It fucking sucked and it's exhausting to be fighting just to survive every day.

Yet on the other hand, I am tired of being harassed by some of the homeless people in my neighborhood. I've never had a problem giving someone a dollar or, on the hotter days, giving them a water. Sometimes I stand with people and have conversations with them if they don't give off weird vibes. But! There are some who are so entitled and have zero concept of personal space (or, they do but they don't care.) I don't like people I don't know all up in my space, especially if my children are with me. I don't like their assumptions that I'm any better off than they are and can help with anything they asked for.

It only takes a few to ruin the overall perception of the homeless population. Not all of them are drug addicts or scam artists, but if you encounter enough of them, it's hard to trust the homeless people who are otherwise perfectly innocent and have just been through a bad bout in life.
 
Living in the PNW there was and still is a fuckton of homeless people. It's an epidemic. I used to feel sorry for them until I realized that the only reason they've stayed on the streets is because of their addictions and the incentive they have to stay homeless in the US, especially in a liberal shithole. Most of them still receive EBT and government checks - which they spend on drugs and booze - and basically have all the essentials for survival. They all have phones and enough cash to buy meals for the day. And if they ever run out of drug money they steal shit and flip the stolen goods for cash. Anyone who's from the PNW knows they're basically fucking cockroaches, even some of the most SJW bleeding heart liberals I knew hated them.

I used to work a retail job in one of the worst neighborhoods in Oregon, crackheads and homeless everywhere. Crazy, high motherfuckers that came in groups. They always have a system (one that never works because it's easy to spot). One or two of them would try to distract the clerk at the front, either with stupid questions or would make us check the prices of each individual item at the counter, and the others would go to the very back and steal shit off the shelves. They'd fill carts of the crap they could sell then dashed out the front. Of course we couldn't really do anything because company policies had rules for our safety. The theft got so bad that all we could really do was inform the manager and go about our day. We had no asset protection and the cops didn't do shit in that neighborhood so we were basically fucked unless someone got shot. Even then I doubt cops would have came. Actual dystopian nightmare.

I was raised during the recession. I had friends and family living in cars and on the streets, and in shelters and basements. People who were actually hungry and sick yet busted their asses to get out of those situations for the sake of their families and hope for their futures. My family could barely afford rent in the ghetto and we had to dumpster dive at our worst. We never stole or cheated our way out of anything and were taught to always be resourceful and frugal.

If you're homeless because of your own shitty life choices and got kicked out because you were too high and drunk to pay rent, you deserve to starve by your own hand and I hope you fucking freeze. For the sake of the families that actually suffered. Save the shelter blankets for the people that deserve them, you worthless crack-addicted scum.
 
This post is just about homeless junkies. Not down on their luck good folks.

From experience, most of the addicts are just too far gone. Giving them hard to come by low income housing is unfair and that housing should go to more functional people. We really do need a hell of a lot more affordable housing. But junkies will turn any space you give them into a filthy den of ill repute within weeks. It's not worth it.

I saw a video about my city awhile back. This guy was interviewing homeless addicts. One guy was married but left his wife because he'd rather be out on the streets doing drugs. He said he had a lot of abuse in his past and obviously the system failed him as a child. But as an adult he should have kept up with counseling instead of leaving his family to go get high all day. I've seen that one before and those types are some of the most selfish guilt trippers on the planet. Everything is someone else's fault and why won't you give them $20 and bus faire? :roll:

These videos always have people in the comments pitying all the junkies. Yeah well you let them stay over then. One of the reasons they are homeless is because they burned every bridge they had. Any loved ones who tried to help them in the past got sick of their valuables disappearing or having to call an ambulance because Destinee OD'd again. And she's pregnant. Again. After awhile you can't take it anymore. A lot of them have a significant other they are glued to in a toxic co-dependent relationship. And you don't want some methed up lunatic with four teeth showing up at your house at 3am with ill intentions. There's always some violent drama going on with these people and they always owe some nasty person money. T

I ruined my life a few years ago trying to get my sister off drugs and away from her loser boyfriend who stole from me. Never again. I don't even know if she is still alive. I haven't heard from her in three years. I'm torn between trying to find her and just letting it go because I don't know if I'm going to like what I find. Addicts are hurting people in their life every time they get high. Then they cry about how no one will help them. She burned her last bridge by stealing $200 from a relative. Hope the hit was worth it. That's all I can say.
 
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SwanSwanson said:
Yeah I get it, they're drug addicts/criminals/schizos. We should take steps towards making a society where stuff like this doesn't exist. People who have great disdain for the homeless are only able to do so because they get to live under the illusion that they're completely safe from it and there isn't any unfortunate event that could happen to them which would lead financial ruin.
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But if most homeless people are drug addicts and/or severely mentally ill, then people who have disdain for them aren’t being hypocritical because that’s not shit that just happens to a normal, functional person one day out of the blue. Others have already made the good point that there’s having to live out of your car for a while, and then there’s people who can’t even utilize assistance programs because they constantly fuck it up.

And addiction and severe mental illness are problems that, by their very nature, cannot just be societally “fixed” out of existence — There’s no time or place in human history where addicts and schizos did not exist.

I think the horrible truth is that if you really want to get those types of people off the streets, the only effective way to achieve that is to have some place where they can held indefinitely against their will. Because all the offers of help in the world won’t actually cure them or change their behavior enough to function within the confines of society. They’re pretty much the ultimate example of “you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink”.
 
I grew up in poverty and lost that network (they died) before I was able to set up a meager independent exisistence. However, I have never had any addiction issues of any kind and I don't suffer from a debilitating mental illness. So I am capable of utilizing government services, which aren't enough to actually house someone in a situation they can typically springboard from without major consistent effort with absolutely no fuck ups (no emergencies, nothing is lost or stolen etc)

Therefore I am acutely aware that with or without addiction and illness, someone can struggle in poverty or being underhoused.

However, that does not mean I haven't stood waiting in welfare offices with generational baby makers that have little to no skill set beyond making more babies. Or in line at food banks listening to people who have more income than I do complain or even turn down the food offered. Frequently now I see people begging for free food from strangers on Facebook. I once offered a box of food and someone came and picked through it and left what they didn't want strewn about.

But worst is the drug and alcohol addiction, which with enough time will cause mental illness, whether it was there before or not. On the bus, there was a man using a walker to transport probably bedbug ridden blankets where he mumbled to himself that he was going to go to the liquor store and steal a bottle for the day. I had a junkie explain to me its no longer crack - the crackheads are fine, it's the people hooked on fentanyl that are so bad they piss off the homeless crackheads.

So I'm not sure I fully empathize with the majority of this population because despite our socio economic similarities, I cannot understand making babies for government benefits nor do I think I have the genetics to suffer a severe addiction because I have nothing in me driving me towards drugs or drinking - even when it's really bleak and hard. Sometimes I want to advocate for these issues because there are vulnerable people like myself who were dealt a bad hand, but I know I'm also responsible for caring about addicts in that advocacy and on a personal level, I despise drug addicts. Alcoholics I can kind of have patience for but in my soul I feel drug addicts are subhuman and I have no feelings towards them at all unless they become sober, which I am not interested in investing my personal time money or resources in because I never turned to drugs so it's not a problem I should have to deal with. I will support my tax dollars going to programs in existing available health care resources to aid these people though.
 
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